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VR-Zone has learned more about the upcoming Nvidia G92 where the official marketing name is most likely to be GeForce 8700 GTS. As revealed earlier, G92 is 65nm based and has 256-bit memory bus width. The reference 8700 GTS card has 8-layer PCB and comes with 512MB GDDR3 1ns memories so the memory clock of G92 is estimated to be between 900Mhz to 1GHz. Core clock is unknown yet.
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http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_G92_is_GeForce_8700_GTS/5236.html

Goddamit, I dont wanna know about nvidia's mid-tier offerings, tell me about the 8800 gtx/ultra replacements!! :mad:
 
Wouldn't it be called a 9700gts or whatever since its the G9X series card?

And since its a G92, it will be mid range G90 will be the top end.
 
Rumors stating highend/midrange all over. I'm hoping for a highend, but we should know for certain in a couple of months.
 
If it's an 8700, Im totally loving this news. I won't buy the 8600 for my budget system because its 128-bit, but if this one is 256 then I've found my new GPU.
 
1ns memory... sounds good!

Now we just need to know how many shaders are on this thing to get a good idea of how it will perform. If this card is released for $250 or less I'm buying it right away.
 
cjm18 said:
900-1000 memory speed? isnt that half of 8800gts?
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But you multiply that by two so it is effectively 1800-2000. On the 8800GTS, you set clocks in Riva Tuner for example from the 700-900's to make it the effective 1400-1800 they usually run at.
 
I just hope it's fun to OC and voltmod, no digital PWM shenanigans (certain X1950 Pro models). Any guess at the 65nm process maturity?
 
I hope this isn't true because it means we're probably going to be stuck waiting at least another 3 months for a flagship replacement card. With all these new demanding games coming out the 8800GTS/GTX just doesn't cut it anymore. I was already saving my pennies for a new nvidia series 9 card, guess I can spend my money elsewhere
 
StaticSurge said:
I hope this isn't true because it means we're probably going to be stuck waiting at least another 3 months for a flagship replacement card. With all these new demanding games coming out the 8800GTS/GTX just doesn't cut it anymore. I was already saving my pennies for a new nvidia series 9 card, guess I can spend my money elsewhere
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The GTX is the flagship and it does just fine in the newer games? They should be fine until next release.
 
StaticSurge said:
I hope this isn't true because it means we're probably going to be stuck waiting at least another 3 months for a flagship replacement card. With all these new demanding games coming out the 8800GTS/GTX just doesn't cut it anymore. I was already saving my pennies for a new nvidia series 9 card, guess I can spend my money elsewhere
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I'm sure a new high-end card exists and it should debut, around the same time this 8700 GTS is released.
Givem that some NVIDIA PR, already mentioned this 1 TeraFLOP beast, if they don't release it in November, they might be having a few problems with it, like yields, and need more time to tweak it.
 
TomGreen321 said:
The GTX is the flagship and it does just fine in the newer games? They should be fine until next release.
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Flagship is the Ultra and even though they don't "need" it, it's the perfect time to launch a new high-end card. If it is in fact as powerful, as what that NVIDIA PR said, AMD will have some serious catch-up to do, since right now, they are still trying to reach GTX/Ultra levels.
 
this has been posted before.
so Ill reply with the same thing as before

hats alot of conclusions being pulled from a 1 paragraph article citing no sources.

The kid who packs my groceries says he heard from the guy who sleeps in the tire yard, that the G92 will actually be a leprechaun in a cage with dual DVI links and released on November 16th.

Atleast my BS has sources. Tire yard guy totally called the 2900 flop.

Some people will believe anything you tell them.
 
Well at least the tire guy seems reliable :D I get that this isn't really concrete info but you never know. To respond to TomGreen321, some people might expect different levels of performance/image quality than you do and they're probably the people that have had the GTS/GTX cards from day 1 and want something new. Yes these cards are getting old, and newer games are starting to stress even the GTX
 
If in fact the G92 is a 8700gts what is the point of moving to PCI EXPRESS 2.0 with a MID RANGE CARD?? Can a 8700gts really pull 1 teraflops. This news is quite disturbing.
 
Shottah_king said:
If in fact the G92 is a 8700gts what is the point of moving to PCI EXPRESS 2.0 with a MID RANGE CARD?? Can a 8700gts really pull 1 teraflops. This news is quite disturbing.
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No. The 1 TeraFLOP card was always refered to as the new high-end, so this rumored 8700 GTS, is definitely not it.
 
Why the hell couldn't they call this the 8800GT or GS, instead of breaking out an 8700 number...

MY guess is, 64 shader units (Exactly double of the 8600GTS, exactly half of he 8800GTX), 256bit mem controler.

This was the card they should of intro'd into the market first, this is where the money is going to come from now, kind of pisses me off that they release it now.
 
StaticSurge said:
Well at least the tire guy seems reliable :D I get that this isn't really concrete info but you never know. To respond to TomGreen321, some people might expect different levels of performance/image quality than you do and they're probably the people that have had the GTS/GTX cards from day 1 and want something new. Yes these cards are getting old, and newer games are starting to stress even the GTX
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Its the furthest thing from concrete info.

If everyone just reads it again...look

VR-Zone has learned more about the upcoming Nvidia G92 where the official marketing name is most likely to be GeForce 8700 GTS. As revealed earlier, G92 is 65nm based and has 256-bit memory bus width. The reference 8700 GTS card has 8-layer PCB and comes with 512MB GDDR3 1ns memories so the memory clock of G92 is estimated to be between 900Mhz to 1GHz. Core clock is unknown yet.
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I mean really, honestly, this reads like something off the cover of one of those magazines on the rack in the grocery store. Personally, the article about the baby from Mars or Bigfoot caught in college panty raid somehow seems just as plausible.
 
Simpson5774 said:
Why the hell couldn't they call this the 8800GT or GS, instead of breaking out an 8700 number...

MY guess is, 64 shader units (Exactly double of the 8600GTS, exactly half of he 8800GTX), 256bit mem controler.

This was the card they should of intro'd into the market first, this is where the money is going to come from now, kind of pisses me off that they release it now.
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Lol, 8700. They named it that because they wanted to of course...why else? As "rumors" and/or sources have been saying recently, Nv seems to be releasing the G92 and G98 (low-end replacement). Obviously, Nv (and ATi) is strengthening their mid-range poducts. The 8600s are too weak for DX10 gameplay (it looks worse than high-DX9 when you tone the DX10 settings down). Yes, I think Nv will release a new flagship card "soon", but not this year. I've always banked on it being early 2008. Currently there's no need to rush it if the difference is just 3 months or so. They should get the card and manufacturing ready first tbh. Besides, I don't see them releasing 3 new cards "at once" or in a 3 month period.

EDIT: I don't see how that sounds fake, its how vr-zone usually posts things like this. I don't see a difference really, it's all the same. Inq (ugh) and even HKPEC (usually right) are reporting the same thing. Either way, in a month or two, we'll know for sure.

If a few people start sliting their wrists because it doesn't come out when it was rumored (keyword) to in the first place lol, then I'll grab some popcorn :).
 
Nvidia's refresh cards always use odd numbers:

5600/5800 became 5700/5900
6600/6800 became err NM :)
7600/7800 became 7600/7900

Ok so not always but much of the time :)

I pray this is a 8700 with 256bit. The 8800's are already fast as hell and Nvidia has one big giant hole in their lineup. The 8600's are crippled with 128-bit memory so they will always be low-mid-low end to those in the know. The 8800's are upper end so there is a giant hole in the mid range.

All they have to do is take a plain old 8600GTS and make it 256-bit and make sure the street price is about $175ish. This would kill the x1950's and put a nail in ATI's near coffin unless they can come up with a $175 part that is as fast. DX10 will prob still be too slow on a 8700 but by the time real DX10 games are out that "need" DX10 then the 8700's will be moved to the low-end DX10 line anyway and the 8600's will be the $75 budget cards.

-JB
 
Why does everyone think they may jump to 9000 series cards next? They went

2005
7800GT
7800GTX

to

2006
7900GT
7900GTX

Wheres' the 8900?

So this new G92 is gonna be an 8700? the G90 may be 8900? meh speculation.
 
PCI express 2.0 isn't just about the performance, it also allows more power to be drawn from the slot, so might be the reason for them moving towards it even in a midrange card.
 
I'm starting to wonder, whats going to happen to the price of the 8600GTS and 8800GTS 320 when this card is released. ither this is going to be put into the 200 dollar range and the 8600GTS gets moved down, or this is going to be 250, and the 8800GTS 320 gets bumped back closer to 350, which it actually has been doing for the past few weeks.

What I find funny is all of those people who kept telling people not to buy 8800 GTS and GTX's because "the next gen is coming soon, don't buy a new card yet", and all those people waited on false information for nothing.
 
Simpson5774 said:
I'm starting to wonder, whats going to happen to the price of the 8600GTS and 8800GTS 320 when this card is released. ither this is going to be put into the 200 dollar range and the 8600GTS gets moved down, or this is going to be 250, and the 8800GTS 320 gets bumped back closer to 350, which it actually has been doing for the past few weeks.

What I find funny is all of those people who kept telling people not to buy 8800 GTS and GTX's because "the next gen is coming soon, don't buy a new card yet", and all those people waited on false information for nothing.
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It's not false. The rumor is still up.

About the prices, I think it's safe to assume, that the 8600 GTS will go down, close to $150-175, while the 8800 GTS 320 will not go below $250-275 and this rumored 8700 GTS will take the $200-230 spot.
 
Menelmarar said:
Why does everyone think they may jump to 9000 series cards next? They went

2005
7800GT
7800GTX

to

2006
7900GT
7900GTX

Wheres' the 8900?

So this new G92 is gonna be an 8700? the G90 may be 8900? meh speculation.
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GeForce 6800 Ultra: Apr 2004
GeForce 6800 GS: Nov/Dec 2005
GeForce 7800 GTX: June 2005
GeForce 7950 GX2: June 2006
GeForce 7900 GS: May 2006 (OEM only), Sept 2006 (Retail)
GeForce 8800 GTS: Nov 2006 (640), Feb 2007 (320)
GeForce 8800 GTX: Nov 2006
GeForce 8800 Ultra: May 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units
 
Menelmarar said:
What's your point? You missed quite a few cards in your list BTW :confused:
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I'm not going to spend time writing down every card when I linked to the full list, and the point was I was showing dates / years of when cards and the refreshes came out.
 
Simpson5774 said:
What I find funny is all of those people who kept telling people not to buy 8800 GTS and GTX's because "the next gen is coming soon, don't buy a new card yet", and all those people waited on false information for nothing.
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Just like the 2900xt! :eek: BURN! Lol, I couldn't resist :p.
 
The thing is, if the card is gonna be below the 8800gts why would they be so secretive about it? You'd think they would announce it, so that people would stop holding off on the 8800gts/gtx. Are they trying to protect 8600 sales? they can't be selling that many of those...

It seems to me that the reason to be secretive is because it will be faster than the 8800 series and they don't want everyone to stop buying them.
 
Its slotted under but its supposed to match the 8800GTS which might be why, since they don't want people to wait on buying the more expensive 8800GTS
 
StaticSurge said:
I hope this isn't true because it means we're probably going to be stuck waiting at least another 3 months for a flagship replacement card. With all these new demanding games coming out the 8800GTS/GTX just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Lay down the pipe.
StaticSurge said:
I was already saving my pennies for a new nvidia series 9 card, guess I can spend my money elsewhere
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The 8800GTX "doesn't cut it" any more and it's the fastest card on the market at the moment...but you're instead apparently planning on buying the closest comparable card, the 2900XT, which is slower in at least 80% of scenarios, unless you like AA...then it's at least 95%. And all because nVidia is trying to close the massive gap between the 8600GTS and the 8800GTS. Wow, when ePenis gets taken too far...

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Oh, unless you mean you spend it on something entirely different, like a girlfriend or something. I just don't often see people thinking of things besides videocards here.
 
Well here is my 2 cents about the whole shabang..... if this makes sense at all....

For the 7800 series they used the code name G70 and so forth carried on the G7* for the weaker cards. For the 8800 series they used the G80 code name and did the same thing. Why would they call a member of the G8* series a code name beginning G9* when it belongs in the G8*'s some where?


Why couldnt this 8700GT code name be G88? To me it would break the tradition they started. Unless that is what they want to do and all.

If they did follow their new set of numbers than a code of G81 would entitle that 8900GT's and 8900GTX's would be coming out.

Maybe they will bring out a mid range 9800GS or something by the fall. I might be a lil slow on this but didnt ATI bring out its lower end cards before bring out the mid range ones? Maybe Nvidia is doing the same thing?
 
Looks like we have a mid range war for november. I had already saved the money for a new Geforce 9800series card.. Ahh well who cares now.
 
I'd heard a rumour (from my manicurist, who heard it from her gynecologist, who heard it from his squash partner, who makes PC games) that ATI was going to adjust pricing on the 2900 so that e-tail prices could fall as low as the mid $200 range for the GDDR3/512 models.

If they do that, they'd be extremely competitive in the price/performance ratio (power consumption aside), and clear out a lot of R600 90nm stock that might otherwise go unsold.

It'd also be a very popular OEM solution at that price point, and it'd leave the low-volume high-end entirely to Nvidia until at least the R6XX 65nm refresh, which wouldn't really hurt AMD in anything other than bragging rights and enthusiast cred (which they've already lost).

If that rumour is true, then Nvidia would need something more competitive in the upper-midrange, either in price or performance or both. The 8700 might just be that answer.
 
My only question is which one would be better the 8700gt or the 8800gts 320? if the 8800 is better why bother waiting for the release of the 8700? reason i ask is i'm up for an upgrade of my video card. should i wait or just get the 8800gts 320?
 
Meh. 10k 3DMarks (06) means squat (see: 2900xt). Who ever rights their "articles" needs to learn how to use a spell-check :eek:. I did find the bit about "Graphzilla minions" funny though, and true. I don't think it's too hard to guess that it could have half (48) the SP's :rolleyes:. Oh well, another "wait and see" sign goes up on this subject.

EDIT: I'd get the 8800GTS 640MB if you can swing it. Performance wise I think the 8800GTS will still be the better performer. Half the SP's and a 256-bit bus pretty much seals the deal, even if its core is clocked 200-300Mhz more. Although it will have more RAM, that's why I'd recommend going with a current 640MB GTS. Nearly all of them out there are A3 cores and you can OC them easily up to 700Mhz, if not a little more on the core with just air.
 
I strongly believe that the G92 series will be the flagship 9800GTS/GTX that we have eagerly been waiting for. If you go to incrysis.com, you will learn that CryTek is working exclusively with Intel and Nvidia on releasing their upcoming game Crysis simultaneously with the new high end flagship GeForce 9 and flagship Penryn processor.

If it isn't the G92 architecture, perhaps its an unnamed G90 or G91 that Nvidia has secretly laid away from the press all these months. If so, good for them :) (although we already know the rough specs)
 
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