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Future HT

Duke3d87

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I know that Intel did not implement HT in the conroe lines, but I do know that they said that in the future, we will see processor cores that can crank out 8 threads at once (that's per core). When can we expect to see that? It's a fad in the market now, having one core being able to process more then one thread and i was wondering when Intel is going to re-cash into it.
 
Maybe they meant by the X-issue factor. They increased from 3 to 4-issue with Conroe and next maybe they'll increase it again? Or bring back HyperThreading.
 
Hyperthreading worked by making the best of inefficiences in the netburst design. Their future designs look much more efficient, I doubt you'll be seeing HT.
 
Demon_of_The_Fall said:
Hyperthreading worked by making the best of inefficiences in the netburst design. Their future designs look much more efficient, I doubt you'll be seeing HT.
That is true, but what about Montecito, the XBox360 core as well as the Sun cores? Most of them are low power, highly efficient processors.
 
Duke3d87 said:
That is true, but what about Montecito, the XBox360 core as well as the Sun cores? Most of them are low power, highly efficient processors.

I wouldn't call the X360 core anywhere near efficient or low-power (the Cell as well, since it's based on the same tech). Regardless, if HT isn't needed on these new cores, why bother using it? It may bog up the pipes rather than fill them nicer. The extreme editions of the 4-core CPUs may offer hyper threading?? No idea.
 
steviep said:
I wouldn't call the X360 core anywhere near efficient or low-power (the Cell as well, since it's based on the same tech). Regardless, if HT isn't needed on these new cores, why bother using it? It may bog up the pipes rather than fill them nicer. The extreme editions of the 4-core CPUs may offer hyper threading?? No idea.
Becuase it can increase performance? The whole point of using HT would to increase performance by allowing the processor to use all of its idle resources.
 
Duke3d87 said:
Becuase it can increase performance? The whole point of using HT would to increase performance by allowing the processor to use all of its idle resources.
Yeah, even the most efficient CPU will still at times need to wait a number of cycles to get data from cache, hundreds of cycles for memory and even more for disk access. Plus there's always unoptimized software.
 
I could've sworn I've seen many instances/benches that show HT bogging down a system rather than helping it. Especially with dual cores.
 
steviep said:
I could've sworn I've seen many instances/benches that show HT bogging down a system rather than helping it. Especially with dual cores.
it was both good and bad. With the Pentium D 840 and 955, you had enough bottlenecks with the cores trying to communicate with each other. If you had a shared cache structured where the cores could actually communicate, i think HT would help.
 
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