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Future High-end AGP Cards?

horrorshow

horrorshow

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so......

whats the scoop on the next round of HIGHEST end AGP cards?

ive heard rumors of maybe the ati 3850/3870(i hope!)? release dates??

any news on AGP support from the nvidia camp?

(please, no 'move on and upgrade to pci-x' posts)

thanks
 
I know you don't want to hear it, but move on to pci-e. AGP is old. It's best to save your money now. There may be a slightly better video card for you, but it is really NOT worth the upgrade.
 
i dont i dont think there will be any new AGP cards in production

g8xxx and radeon 2xxx series were last of its kind..
 
I doubt anyone here will tell you to move on to pci-x :p

Anyhow, I'm still wondering why people are still looking for a high end agp part. How many people today have mobos with an agp slot, and a cpu that doesnt bottleneck today's games? I'm pretty sure its the vast minority.
 
AGP is dead, there are not going to be any more high end agp cards, just like there will be no socket 939 quad cores. Nvidia make the high end cards for the enthusiasts, and most enthusiasts will have the new boards that have pci-e.

I see you have a 939 mobo, cant you just get a dfi ultra d or somthing?
 
The rumor seems to be that the 3850 will be coming to AGP, but not the 3870. And, as usual, NVIDIA is more tight-lipped than AMD, so no news from there. Besides the ever-reliable Inquirer, the only place I've seen word about it is (supposedly) from VisionTek support, reported by a forum-goer at Toms.

And I don't think any PCI-X graphics cards even exist, just PCI-E. :p
 
n3g471v3 d3c1b3l said:
I thought this topic died a couple of years ago.
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I'm sure in 2015 there will still be the occasional person wanting to use the NVIDIA GeForce 24800 GTS in their Socket A Athlon XP system. :rolleyes: Which will no doubt, natively, be not even PCI-E but whatever the successor to it is. :D
 
its all a matter of money fellas....

question, would i see much of a performance increase on my rig (see sig) going from the 1950pro to the 3850 (if and when it comes out on AGP)??
 
If someone has a fast single-core, 1-2 GB of DDR RAM, and an outdated GPU, upgrading another AGP card could still make a lot of sense, even going into 2008. Sure, you could get some POS throwaway PCI-E mobo that will use your other components and will go into the trash after 6 months, but replacing a mobo and everything on it takes an entire afternoon, and most working people only get one of those per week. Even if you save $50, it's not worth it.
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
Sure, you could get some POS throwaway PCI-E mobo that will use your other components
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Look at the OP's signature. He has a cheap ULi board right now. :rolleyes:

S939 is dead, and all boards are pretty cheap now. I bought a couple of NF4 ($20) and NF4 SLI ($39) boards cheap at Fry's and they work great, even overclocked.
 
If money is the issue, PCIe is still the answer. You will pay more for an under-performing card in AGP format. Get a cheap PCIe mobo as someone pointed out. Even the bundled CPU/Mobo combos you see on Fry's would be a great deal.
 
OP you dont need to get a cpu combo, just get a cheap 939 motherboard that has pci-e. the dfi nf4 series would do fine.
 
arthur_tuxedo said:
If someone has a fast single-core, 1-2 GB of DDR RAM, and an outdated GPU, upgrading another AGP card could still make a lot of sense, even going into 2008.
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What is a fast single core on an AGP motherboard? AFAIK there is no Core 2 motherboard with an AGP slot (?)
 
On a similar note, I'd think that the FX-60 is the fastest dual-core that might well be running on a mainstream AGP-based chipset (the nForce3), as opposed to a later non-mainstream chipset likely to be purchased specifically to have an AGP slot.
 
farfromhome said:
An FX-60 is a X2, just at 2.6GHz and with an unlocked multiplier. ;)
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Yeah, they just feel faster for some reason. amd have started calling them black editon for 1/10 of the cost lol.

watch out your sig is 11 lines, i got a warning for that.
 
HarkovAdm said:
What is a fast single core on an AGP motherboard? AFAIK there is no Core 2 motherboard with an AGP slot (?)
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The Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA does and 4CoreDual-SATA. It's a hybird board with both AGP and PCI-E,although the PCI-E slot is not running at x16 lane.
 
horrorshow said:
so......

whats the scoop on the next round of HIGHEST end AGP cards?

ive heard rumors of maybe the ati 3850/3870(i hope!)? release dates??

any news on AGP support from the nvidia camp?

(please, no 'move on and upgrade to pci-x' posts)

thanks
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Amazing isn't it? You say please no move on posts and the first one you get is exactly that as well as a lot of others. Everyone said there would be no more AGP cards last year and since then we have seen the X1950 Pro, an X1950XT, and a 7950GT from Nvidia. Followed by two DX10 parts from ATI. So to say there will be no more AGP cards is ridiculous. Sure there won't be any highend PCI-E bridged cards, but you still could see some cards which will give you better performance than the ATI 2600 or 1900 series cards. As far as when and what new cards will appear, haven't heard much of anything lately as most of the press has been going to the new 8800 series and ATI 3800 series. Should you move on to PCI-E? That's up to you as I'm sure you are already aware of the benfits. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked at the top of your post, that "No Move-on" posts be left. Good luck and as Mark Twain once said, sort of ...... The Reports of AGP's death have been greatly exaggerated.";)
 
honestjohn said:
It's a great transitional board for people who can't afford to make the jump to PCI-E with both feet.....in my opinion.
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why would he need a board with pci and agp? surley he could get a dfi ultra-d for 40$ then buy the same card he wanted on agp on pci. he would be saving money in the end as agp cards as more expensive.
 
ring.of.steel said:
why would he need a board with pci and agp? surley he could get a dfi ultra-d for 40$ then buy the same card he wanted on agp on pci. he would be saving money in the end as agp cards as more expensive.
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I wasn't telling the OP to get an Asrock, I was answering HarkovAdm question when he asked if there were any AGP boards which could take a dual-core.
 
honestjohn said:
Amazing isn't it? You say please no move on posts and the first one you get is exactly that as well as a lot of others. Everyone said there would be no more AGP cards last year and since then we have seen the X1950 Pro, an X1950XT, and a 7950GT from Nvidia. Followed by two DX10 parts from ATI. So to say there will be no more AGP cards is ridiculous. Sure there won't be any highend PCI-E bridged cards, but you still could see some cards which will give you better performance than the ATI 2600 or 1900 series cards. As far as when and what new cards will appear, haven't heard much of anything lately as most of the press has been going to the new 8800 series and ATI 3800 series. Should you move on to PCI-E? That's up to you as I'm sure you are already aware of the benfits. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked at the top of your post, that "No Move-on" posts be left. Good luck and as Mark Twain once said, sort of ...... The Reports of AGP's death have been greatly exaggerated.";)
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*nods
 
and lemme just say, its great to finally create an acct here....

ive been a lurker for far too long.

*salute
 
The point is valid though. You don't want to upgrade to PCI-E for monetary reasons. That's fair. AGP cards tend to cost more than equivalent PCI-E cards though, so at some point it will actually be cheaper to upgrade your motherboard and your graphics card than it will be to just update to the equivalent AGP graphics card though. Inexpensive motherboards aren't necessarily bad; you could find a new mobo that's just as good as your current ULi for cheap.

Will that be the case with the 3850? Nobody knows yet, but it pays to have an open mind to both possibilities; it may make more sense to stay AGP, and it may make more sense to upgrade to PCI-E. It all depends on the pricing of the AGP 3850.

And welcome again to the friendly forums. ;)
 
farfromhome said:
The point is valid though. You don't want to upgrade to PCI-E for monetary reasons. That's fair. AGP cards tend to cost more than equivalent PCI-E cards though, so at some point it will actually be cheaper to upgrade your motherboard and your graphics card than it will be to just update to the equivalent AGP graphics card though. Inexpensive motherboards aren't necessarily bad; you could find a new mobo that's just as good as your current ULi for cheap.

Will that be the case with the 3850? Nobody knows yet, but it pays to have an open mind to both possibilities; it may make more sense to stay AGP, and it may make more sense to upgrade to PCI-E. It all depends on the pricing of the AGP 3850.

And welcome again to the friendly forums. ;)
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yup, it all depends on pricing...

i paid $179 for my current card, not a bad deal imo....
 
MrGuvernment said:
is there any fact behind that yet? i know people always spewed it out, but never had any proof.....
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The transfer rate for agp is about 2100mb/s whilst the transfer rate for pci-e is more around 8000mb/s. with identical cards in agp and pci-e i have found the agp card to be quite a bit slower.
 
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