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Freesync vs G-Sync Input lag (Vsync on / off) Testing
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Looks like they are about even to me, basically trading blows. Which is no surprize to me ... I mean really the whole paradigm of what G-SYNC does is possible to be done without all that extra hardware as long as the gpu has a method to control the frame timing.
Why would they support an inferior technology? Freesync suffers from ghosting and has real problems if the frame rate goes above or below a certain target. Notice how Intel has yet to support it. Now that AMD has stated they are moving away from developing for the PC platform, you can fully expect Freesync to get abandoned just like Mantle.
I've tried to follow your posting as legit. I just can't do it anymore. This is just complete BS. I'm just going to have to move you to ignore so I don't have to read such dribble anymore.
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't read too much into it, but isn't the whole reason AMD dropped Mantle is that they basically lit a fire under Microsoft's ass who then forklifted some of their ideas/work into DX12? So they got the ball rolling on things and now Microsoft is throwing their resources at it allowing AMD to focus on other things.
I can understand the issue with the FreeSync VRR window with issues below 40 fps and above 75 fps or whatever it is, but it seems like that is something that can be fixed over time with the benefit of not requiring some expensive hardware module and is also open-source.
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I've tried to follow your posting as legit. I just can't do it anymore. This is just complete BS. I'm just going to have to move you to ignore so I don't have to read such dribble anymore.
After the first sentence I had to go and look at the username, figures.
The lack of a hardware module is what is limiting Freesync. Gsync has an image buffer and an image processor which help it handle the problems that Freesync has. Drivers won't fix this.
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Displays/AMD-FreeSync-First-Impressions-and-Technical-Discussion
Also let's clear up a few misconceptions.
Freesync is proprietary to AMD, it is not open in any way.
Adaptive sync is an optional part of the new DP spec and requires additional hardware to support it.
Just some facts that some people don't like discussing.
http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/morning_call/2015/06/amd-ceo-talks-of-long-term-turnaround.html
So I saw some comments elsewhere that Adaptive Sync was in the works as a VESA standard before G-SYNC even came to light. Need to poke around and determine the accuracy of said statement.
If true, then Nvidia decided to go ahead and make a proprietary solution while AMD worked on FreeSync (also proprietary) but based upon an open-source standard at which point it also spurred VESA to move forward with Adaptive Sync similar to what they did with Microsoft and DX12.
If this is correct, then would it be bad of them to "abandon" FreeSync in favor of Adaptive Sync when they had to take initiative to spur industry progress while Nvidia did not?
If true, then Nvidia decided to go ahead and make a proprietary solution while AMD worked on FreeSync (also proprietary) but based upon an open-source standard at which point it also spurred VESA to move forward with Adaptive Sync similar to what they did with Microsoft and DX12.
If this is correct, then would it be bad of them to "abandon" FreeSync in favor of Adaptive Sync when they had to take initiative to spur industry progress while Nvidia did not?
It would actually be pretty sad if you don't collect a paycheck from NV with bs you spew.
The ghosting issues are being fixed and the monitor manufacturers are recalling the units to be flashed free of charge. I believe one of the BenQ models have a fix available. Why don't you quit spreading old initial release information?
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...date-to-fix-freesync-ghosting-eu-only-so-far/
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1864740
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic...date-to-fix-freesync-ghosting-eu-only-so-far/
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1864740
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FreeSync is AMDs implementation of a DisplayPort Standard, which is available to anyone who puts a displayport connection on their card.
G-Sync requires extra hardware, which costs an additional fee, plus only works on nVidia hardware.
So in essence, FreeSync is cheap to implement, no additional licensing or hardware costs over a regular displayport connection, G-Sync is not.
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FreeSync is the driver function in the AMD drivers that allows AMD video cards to use the Adaptive-Sync features of DisplayPort equipped monitors. So yes, Freesync is not open source. Adaptive-Sync is an open standard of DisplayPort that requires compatible hardware with functional drivers to take advantage of.
Freesync is a sticker. Its marketing.
Its just AMD's name for their driver that uses Adaptive sync.
Adaptive sync is an open spec, anyone can use it.
As long as your scaler operats within AMDs define parameters for Fressync, you can get a sticker. Free of charge.
If your scaler doesnt, its still fully compatible with freesync, you just dont get a sticker.
So yes, by proxy, Freesync is open.
Anyone may use it free of charge.
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WHOA! WATCH OUT!
I've been given temporary bans TWICE for suggesting PRIME1 is a paid representative for Nvidia operating under the guise of a impartial user so she/he can bad-mouth the competition religiously without legal ramifications, exploiting enthusiast forum culture and trust.
Now that I've been banned twice, my eyes have been opened and I know now that this is simply unsubstantiated, and only a fool would think this, as there is simply no evidence to support such an outlandish claim.
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Having used both back to back, I can say this: Fuck freesync. Gsync I plugged in and it worked, no exceptions. Freesync I dicked around with different drivers and settings for a week and never once had a positive experience in any of a dozen games.
It is not open in any way shape or form. I know you really want AMD to do well, but outright lying to try and make a sale is beyond desperate.
My personal experience, I just had a Fury X and Freesync monitor and now have 980ti's with a g-sync monitor, both are nice and smooth! I actually found Freesync to be less stutter prone if FPS jumps, but that could just be SLI.
Can't watch vide though, Linus is annoying.
Can't watch vide though, Linus is annoying.
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SHHHH!! She/He'll hear you and report you!
We are very sorry Mrs/Mr "Definitely does not work for Nvidia" PRIME1. The Mac did not mean to name-call, I'm sure it was just a typo.
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Gideon
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Prime1 why do you continue to bark out BS as fact? You do realize everyone just ignores what you post right? I think half the forum has you on ignore anymore, what possible joy do you get by just spamming fud all the time? Whether G-Sync or Freesync wins out will be up to the manufacturer's. Most manufacturers like as close to free as well, so I doubt that G-Sync will win out, but who knows, in the end it really does not matter. One is software based the other is hardware based and linked to one manufacturer of cards. Since Intel leads I think their input will matter far more than either AMD or Nvidia in where this tech goes, and I seriously doubt Intel will want to be paying a fee.
You must really badly want to pay over grand for a top end video card with the way you talk all the time. I prefer AMD but I don't want them to kill off Nvidia or Intel, would not be good for my wallet, so why do you want AMD to die off so badly? Still don't know why they let you get away with so much trolling around here, relax a bit and take a step back and realize it's just a hobby and it should be fun, I think you forgot that along the way.
You must really badly want to pay over grand for a top end video card with the way you talk all the time. I prefer AMD but I don't want them to kill off Nvidia or Intel, would not be good for my wallet, so why do you want AMD to die off so badly? Still don't know why they let you get away with so much trolling around here, relax a bit and take a step back and realize it's just a hobby and it should be fun, I think you forgot that along the way.
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Funny you missed the comment right after that stating the opposite:
If only opinions could be different, but the OP has actual #s that show that FreeSync is better. Try trolling less and using actual facts
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/ignore yea i think is a smart idea
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So that's why I don't see his posts there anymore... now if only they can ban the other PRIME1 wannabes.
Fortunately, there's other less mainstream forums with Nvidia owners that I can properly debate with as the majority of them know how to properly form a response without resorting to unsubstantiated claims and personal attacks.
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Prime1 is amazingly skilled at derailing threads that show anything positive about AMD, even if those threads are neutral to both parties.
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If the The Mac keeps posting stuff like he did (first post in this thread) I don't think that he should go nuts over other users posts (and talking about derailing and flame baiting).... I see those quite often and it's blatantly obvious that he is biased towards the red camp.
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Matrox for life.
I hardly think sarcasm is derailing a thread through the spread of fud, goalpost changing, and downright lies.
There is a reason the individual in question is not allowed in the AMD section.
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