France Set to Cut Web Access for Pirates

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A new anti-piracy system in France will cut off internet users who illegally download music and movies. ISPs will send warning messages before suspending or closing accounts. I don’t know, this seems better than being sued by the RIAA, what do you think?

Under the agreement -- drawn up by a commission headed by the chief executive of FNAC, one of France's biggest music and film retailers -- service providers will issue warning messages to customers downloading files illegally. If users ignore those messages, their accounts could be suspended or closed altogether.
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I'm thinking I would rather make a monthly loan payment paying off RIAA than not have the internet lol

Ok, I admit it, I'm addicted to the internet :p
 
At whose discretion will your line be cut? I don't see how they are going to find people unless ISP's are going to be scanning all traffic. Time to bust out the encryption!
 
riot8ap said:
At whose discretion will your line be cut? I don't see how they are going to find people unless ISP's are going to be scanning all traffic. Time to bust out the encryption!
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Encrypted traffic will probably be assumed to be illegal.
 
As an internet user in France I'm kinda curious about the mechanics of this, I mean, how will they know that what you are downloading is illegal?

Say I torrent a linux Distro, will they just assume that I'm sharing Spiderman4 or whatever?

I'd like to think that they are deploying clever science and not basically just going to shut down p2p, but the French are grotesquely incompetent in just about every conceivable way and I very strongly suspect that if this even gets off the ground it will largely be a clusterfuck.
 
Surely they won't go by encrypted traffic - as then they'd be locking out many people that work from home over secure VPN connections. I just happen to be one of those such people, but I don't live in France :p
So whether those people are really downloading illegal material or not if the country starts locking out people for to "suspected" illegal activities due to the use of encrypted traffic then I'm sure there will be some pretty major lawsuits against the French government from corporations which use the "work from home" philosphy quite liberally.

I would think they'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what was being transmitted was in fact illegal. But then again as MartinX stated.... it *IS* France doing it....
 
Elios said:
well there goes HTTPS, SSL, SSH, and any VPNs
no working from home for you or shoping on line lol
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You're not understanding.

Encrypted *P2P* traffic.

VPN, HTTPS, and SSH, do not involve remote peers connecting on-demand to your computer to ask your computer to upload massive amounts of data.
 
kumquat said:
You're not understanding.

Encrypted *P2P* traffic.

VPN, HTTPS, and SSH, do not involve remote peers connecting on-demand to your computer to ask your computer to upload massive amounts of data.
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encryption is encryption
thats the point you cant tell SSH from SSL from a VPN
you would have to block pretty much all encrypted traffic
 
Elios said:
encryption is encryption
thats the point you cant tell SSH from SSL from a VPN
you would have to block pretty much all encrypted traffic
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You can tell one computer uploading 65 KB/s for 12 hours to 40 different peers than, say, HTTPS traffic.

It's trivial to pick up an HTTPS connection between a host and a peer anyway. I'm sure VPN is the same way.
 
kumquat said:
You can tell one computer uploading 65 KB/s for 12 hours to 40 different peers than, say, HTTPS traffic.

It's trivial to pick up an HTTPS connection between a host and a peer anyway. I'm sure VPN is the same way.
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VPN is not any thing trivial and HTTPS isnt easy ether if it was it would be useless
but VPN for sure youll have LOADS of traffic more then any P2P could ever do
 
with my job I'm on VPN nearly 24x7. If my VPN creates more traffic than say, the joker down the street that's got torrents active left and right... I'm sure my cable co. is pissed :D
 
Elios said:
VPN is not any thing trivial and HTTPS isnt easy ether if it was it would be useless
but VPN for sure youll have LOADS of traffic more then any P2P could ever do
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It's easy to pick up an HTTPS connection, not read the traffic.

HTTPS connections start as basic HTTP connections. It's totally trivial to pick up the beginning of an HTTPS connection between a server and client.

It's also totally trivial to say "User xxxx is uploading 2GB of encrypted traffic per month. Cut him."
 
kumquat said:
It's easy to pick up an HTTPS connection, not read the traffic.

HTTPS connections start as basic HTTP connections. It's totally trivial to pick up the beginning of an HTTPS connection between a server and client.

It's also totally trivial to say "User xxxx is uploading 2GB of encrypted traffic per month. Cut him."
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then there goes all the people that work from home
i guess you have never used a VPN have you?
you can do 2GB in a day with the right speeds over VPN
 
Elios said:
then there goes all the people that work from home
i guess you have never used a VPN have you?
you can do 2GB in a day with the right speeds over VPN
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I administer a Cisco 3030 VPN Concentrator that typically has 200 users on a given day.

First of all, none of them use nearly that amount of bandwidth.

And you know what else? None of them are expected to use their own personal internet line. In fact, the TOS of their home internet lines generally specifically prohibits this sort of use.
 
It's also going to be trivial for an ISP to pick up incoming connections for P2P traffic, whether encrypted or not.
 
kumquat said:
I administer a Cisco 3030 VPN Concentrator that typically has 200 users on a given day.

First of all, none of them use nearly that amount of bandwidth.

And you know what else? None of them are expected to use their own personal internet line. In fact, the TOS of their home internet lines generally specifically prohibits this sort of use.
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depends on whats being moved around
but i have seen people move HUGE amounts of data on a VPN
 
If you are torrenting, you are going to be pretty obvious, encrypted or not. Even encrypted, your IP will still be visible on the swarm. You'll still be using torrent ports.

Newsgroups will not be different. It'll be obvious if you have 8 SSL connections to giganews.com open sending or receiving gigs of data a day, that you are not reading newsgroups or doing SSL web browsing.
 
I think its a crappy idea. Citizens ought to have the right to make choices. If they are willing to take the chance to get sued, they should be able to do so.

What's next? Cars that limit my speed to whatever is allowed on the road? A wallet that doesn't allow me to buy more food than my daily allotment? I am sorry, but a government need not make choices for its citizens.
 
jhtrico1850 said:
Can't they just find the most popular files, look up the IPs of seeders on Bittorent or Limewire or whatever?
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I guess so, there are multiple ways of finding out someone is downloading or sharing something illegal. They'll just choose whatever is most efficient...which IMO would start with the ISP looking at what is coming through their lines.

A better solution would be fixing the root of the problem, which I think is making entertainment more affordable.
 
drizzt81 said:
What's next? Cars that limit my speed to whatever is allowed on the road? A wallet that doesn't allow me to buy more food than my daily allotment? I am sorry, but a government need not make choices for its citizens.
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People need to remember, that PEOPLE just like them make up the government; you vote in a few crackpots and they'll mess it up quick...gov isn't some far away thing that is untouchable or unable to change. As voters we just need to push that change in the right direction.
 
This isn't about blocking P2P or BitTorrent. It's an alternative to fines/taking you to court.
 
It's actually easy to detect for 99% of illegal sharing. The copyright holder just needs to connect to the swarm and note which connections they can go after. They send the ISP a complaint and the ISP sends a notice to the user. Nothing in the article hints at the detection happening automatically. And of course there are going to be ways around it.

ISPs may acually like this because they can cut down on bandwidth usage.
 
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