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bigbeard86

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What do you guys think of this thread here: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2979150494053775227/

Tons of people have been complaining about issues in BF4 with AMD cards, I, being one of them. Some people are alluding to deliberate actions, which resulted in a severe degradation of performance in BF4 with AMD cards. This is indicated by very poor gpu usage, at times, dropping to near 0%.

No official comments have been made by any company, which acknowledges this issue, or even hints at the prospect of people working to find out what is wrong.

do you believe such a thing is possible? For corporations to collude, to make one appear inferior? I personally do, as it would not be the first time.

Here are images a user posted in that thread:

NVidia 980 GPU load in Shanghai: http://gyazo.com/977a097845275b854e5d99c660bfdfb5 [gyazo.com]

AMD R290 GPU load in Shanghai: http://gyazo.com/9076c19b40960fdb6b6aec8883cfcc8e [gyazo.com]
 
lol at the mod who locked that thread and said that the GPU load is fine on that 290 because the 980 is a faster card.

I have AMD GPU and I also have the GPU load like that in BF4, haven't been able to fix it for a long time, but with Mantle its fine, but the memory leak with Mantle fills up my entire system ram and game crashes.

so I am stuck with DX.
 
Why the hell would they do that when they're an AMD sponsored game? Maybe if it were a TWIMTBP title, but since the opposite is true, that just seems idiotic.
 
doubletake said:
Why the hell would they do that when they're an AMD sponsored game? Maybe if it were a TWIMTBP title, but since the opposite is true, that just seems idiotic.
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Maybe AMD did not hold their end of some deal? Hell if I know. But, it is suspicious, and, aggravating.
 
bigbeard86 said:
Maybe AMD did not hold their end of some deal? Hell if I know. But, it is suspicious, and, aggravating.
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I think when AMD refused to share the Mantle access it was just a matter of time until the competition returned fire.

A lot of people on forums are saying not to mix new AMD GPU's with Intel chipsets, I wonder what they meant by saying that.
 
TroyX said:
I think when AMD refused to share the Mantle access it was just a matter of time until the competition returned fire.

A lot of people on forums are saying not to mix new AMD GPU's with Intel chipsets, I wonder what they meant by saying that.
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They didn't refuse access to Mantle... they are still planning on releasing the SDK to the public.
 
Not sure how you guys think nVidia can do this... It's AMD's card and AMD's drivers! If there's a problem, isn't it AMD's problem to fix?
 
Well, nvidia could be colluding with dice/ea. what can we expect from one of the worst rated companies, coupled with the well known greed of nvidia and microsoft (who loves monopolizing their products).

No matter what, to receive no official word from either ea or amd for almost 3 months, is very strange, and, a terrible business practice.
 
memory leak has been a problem with AMD GPU's in BF4 with Mantle since it came out and not a single word from AMD or Dice regarding that issue.
 
Eriksrocks said:
Not sure how you guys think nVidia can do this... It's AMD's card and AMD's drivers! If there's a problem, isn't it AMD's problem to fix?
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Exactly. Tell AMD to stop tweaking their drivers for 3dmark and plants vs zombies and focus on games such as BF4.
 
bigbeard86 said:
Well, nvidia could be colluding with dice/ea. what can we expect from one of the worst rated companies, coupled with the well known greed of nvidia and microsoft (who loves monopolizing their products).

No matter what, to receive no official word from either ea or amd for almost 3 months, is very strange, and, a terrible business practice.
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So it's a conspiracy? Why would DICE go to all that effort to implement Mantle and then turn around and gimp Team Red? It doesn't make sense. I should add that NVIDIA doesn't need to collude with anybody right now. They are kicking ass with Maxwell.
 
Since the new BF4 patch and AMD 14.9 driver release, my BF4 performance has been great. Was shitty before.
 
This is like people thinking 9/11 was a conspiracy... our government can't perform basic functions but people think they can plan an elaborate event and keep it secret with hundreds to thousands involved.

DICE/EA can't get BF4 right on either card. I think they just f'ed something up.
 
bigbeard86 said:
Maybe AMD did not hold their end of some deal? Hell if I know. But, it is suspicious, and, aggravating.
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DICE did nothing but help AMD the truth of the matter is that Mantle is still in BETA ...
TroyX said:
I think when AMD refused to share the Mantle access it was just a matter of time until the competition returned fire.

A lot of people on forums are saying not to mix new AMD GPU's with Intel chipsets, I wonder what they meant by saying that.
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Older Intel chipsets have problems :)

bigbeard86 said:
Well, nvidia could be colluding with dice/ea. what can we expect from one of the worst rated companies, coupled with the well known greed of nvidia and microsoft (who loves monopolizing their products).

No matter what, to receive no official word from either ea or amd for almost 3 months, is very strange, and, a terrible business practice.
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You can check Nvidia tech day panel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH2hjhcfWic
Where it is clear that DICE uses Nvidia optimizations as well and what they do for AMD with Mantle.

Sometimes back tracking bugs in software or drivers can be problematic if you don't believe this look at the bugs in normal DX9 DX11 drivers. That it can happen in Mantle is not surprising. The code on DICE side can be at fault too, due to the nature of Mantle and the current status means they're working hard to fix things what good is a product that does not work, it is not good for AMD or DICE.
 
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bigbeard86 said:
Well, nvidia could be colluding with dice/ea. what can we expect from one of the worst rated companies, coupled with the well known greed of nvidia and microsoft (who loves monopolizing their products).

No matter what, to receive no official word from either ea or amd for almost 3 months, is very strange, and, a terrible business practice.
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While Hanlon's Razor isn't always automatically true, you're being a bit profligate with the tin foil there.
 
Forget about mantle. The issue of poor gpu usage, as evidenced by gpuz (and other programs), is what the main problem is, under the directx API. Why did this only happen after the july 8th patch of BF4, and why does it only affect amd cards?

Is there not an official AMD rep here that can at least acknowledge the issue? Why has not Dice mentioned anything either? This is not an isolated case; almost ALL AMD users are experiencing the same problem.

For this to go on for 3 months without acknowledgement from either party is asinine.
 
What are the actual facts about this, I read the thread but no one has said if anything has been attempted to fix the issue?

Does this happen on both Mantle and Direct X? With the new drivers and older ones? People complain but do little to nothing to try and troubleshoot their problem.

In either case there is no lawsuit argument here but Dice should look into it and begin trying to fix the issue. If it was just the July Patch then maybe they should pull the patch if ALL amd users are affected in every scenario. If it's just mantle, for example, they should recommend everyone use direct x in the interim.

I don't play BF4 and decided to skip it and get BF Hardline. I may get BF4 if it goes on a major discounted sale with Preimium in the holiday season but since I use NV gpus currently it looks like I'm not going to be affected.
 
The issue with mantle is a memory leak, introduced on july 8th with the bf patch. The game becomes unplayable due to stuttering and an eventual crash. Aside from that, performance is extrodinary, but, as I said, is unplayable.

The issue with directx is piss poor performance, going hand in hand with abysmal gpu usage/load. This was also introduced on july 8th.

These issues are evidenced by countless AMD users, on forums all over the Internet.

The problem persists, even with the latest patch from both BF4 and AMD, without word from either company, for nearing a full three months.

Nvidia users experience no such issue. Literally, if I replace my amd card with current, and any previous generation of nvidia cards, gpu usage/load is perfectly fine, unlike AMD cards.
 
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Holy crap, battlelog forums are infested with bf4 issues and all of them are using AMD systems, damn, I didn't know the problem was that big.
One thread is 60 pages regarding the July patch that ruined bf4 on AMD systems, one user found out that deleting weapons cache file in bf4 folder fixes the issue, lol.
 
My R9 270 works fine? I use DX11 since mantle doesn't allow frame rate monitoring, don't notice any problems at all. Is this a Hawaii only problem?

I'd be more interested to know why it takes [H] around 45 seconds to make a post now, honestly.
 
Load up the shanghai map, which is most gpu taxing, anf open gpuz. Play for a few min then post your gpu usage from gpuz chart. Use directx.

It is possible this is only affecting hawaii...now is the time we find out. Please post results.
 
What kind of Fox News grade conspiracy theory lunacy is this?
 
I would appreciate it if these forum admins go perform testing themselves, and publish the results, with hopes of getting through to AMD.

I believe that systemic, negative press will evoke a response. Test in multiplayer, on siege of shanghai - this will give the best reproduction of the issues.
 
bigbeard86 said:
Load up the shanghai map, which is most gpu taxing, anf open gpuz. Play for a few min then post your gpu usage from gpuz chart. Use directx.

It is possible this is only affecting hawaii...now is the time we find out. Please post results.
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I can check it tomorrow, I'll have to swap out my Titan for the 270 again and clean the drivers.
 
Anyone else actually care to post some concrete numbers? This sounds interesting but it sounds like it may have been rectified with the "CTE" fall patch.
 
bigbeard86 said:
Well, nvidia could be colluding with dice/ea. what can we expect from one of the worst rated companies, coupled with the well known greed of nvidia and microsoft (who loves monopolizing their products).

No matter what, to receive no official word from either ea or amd for almost 3 months, is very strange, and, a terrible business practice.
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Sounds like an AMD user who's butthurt that AMD can't get their drivers in order.

Broken drivers, broken game compatibility. This is just par for the course for AMD.
 
My drivers work fine in other games. Mantle works great for me in Plants vs Zombies, Sniper Elite, Thief, etc. I have BF4, but I rarely play it now. I did try the latest patch with Mantle enabled and it was perfection for me. Played 3 or more rounds I suppose on patch day and I didn't have a single issue. I don't have an Intel CPU to test it on though.

Maybe I'll try a 3+ hour session to see if I get a lot of slowdown and a crash. Just for science. :)
 
I have noticed no drop in frame rate following the latest patch nor the july patch. What the gpu utilization is I have no idea I suppose I could try running GPU-Z tomorrow. I am not going to say there is not an issue but I have not personally seen a drop in frames following any patch.
HD7970 with a 4770K running DX11.
 
LordEC911 said:
they are still planning on releasing the SDK to the public.
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I'm certain if you were to ask, they would also say that they are still planning on supporting frame pacing in DX9.

TroyX said:
memory leak has been a problem with AMD GPU's in BF4 with Mantle since it came out and not a single word from AMD or Dice regarding that issue.
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Does the game leak at all in D3D?
 
Well, I was going to give it a shot but the game doesn't even want to run for me. Origin says its up to date, battlelog says I have to patch or install the game first. I just went through this last week when I tried to play and it just randomly worked after about 25 tries but I don't care enough about this POS game to bother with it right now.
 
wonderfield said:
I'm certain if you were to ask, they would also say that they are still planning on supporting frame pacing in DX9.


Does the game leak at all in D3D?
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memory leak is only with Mantle, this memory leak is not the vram but system ram.

the longer you play the more system ram gets filled up, you can see it while gaming, it slowly rises until it crashes.
 
I don't know about conspiracy theories, but. I just learnt that Project Cars runs twice as fast on a 780Ti than on a 290x. 60 vs 30 fps. And they claim they did not favour any manufacturer Yeah, right.
 
TroyX said:
Holy crap, battlelog forums are infested with bf4 issues and all of them are using AMD systems, damn, I didn't know the problem was that big.
One thread is 60 pages regarding the July patch that ruined bf4 on AMD systems, one user found out that deleting weapons cache file in bf4 folder fixes the issue, lol.
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Pretty one sided view of the matter I know for certain that there many Nvidia users with issues on the BF4 battlelog forums as well.
 
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