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Formula-BOINC 2015

Gilthanis

Gilthanis

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I received this via a PM over at PrimeGrid from [AF>Amis des Lapins] Phil1966

This short message to invite [H]ard|OCP to participate in the Formula Boinc Forum.

If you and/or other teamates are interested to discuss the FB Rules for 2015/2016, please feel free to join the forum : http://formula-boinc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27

Thank You

I wish you and your family a Happy New Year,

Best Regards

Philippe
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Anyone care to represent [H]?
 
Yeah... without the full team support, I highly doubt we hit top 3 this coming year. But we will sure try.

Also, we still haven't had anyone jump at the opportunity to represent the team at Formula-BOINC to help with decision making on rules and such. I honestly don't know if it entails much at all since the rules pretty much get set for the year. From there it is probably just debating on small adjustments for new projects and such. It would be nice if someone else took up the effort.
 
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We started out the gate in 8th place.

My personal point goals this year are to raise the following to 1 million each:
1. Rosetta
2. Leiden Classical
3. LHC Six Track
4. BURP
5. YAFU

So, other than challenges/Vault project testing and WCG projects springing up, that is probably where I will have a lot of my resources.
 
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We are now down to 7th but are actually tied with BOINC@Poland for 6th. Not sure how the ranking works with a tie like that...
 
We are back up to 6th - 2 points ahead of BOINC@Poland.

Collatz is back up (and hopefully staying that way), so I am going to try to get us in the top 10 in that project (we are currently 12th), while simultaneously working towards my 1 billion point goal there. If anyone wants to help, that would be great! :cool:
 
I'm working on FIND@home, Edges@home, SAT@home, mindmodeling@home, leiden classical, and LHC@home at the moment. Not to mention GPUgrid.
 
DooKey said:
I'm working on FIND@home, Edges@home, SAT@home, mindmodeling@home, leiden classical, and LHC@home at the moment. Not to mention GPUgrid.
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You can't squeeze Collatz in there somewhere? I'm running all of those projects, too. C'mon.

I'm only joking, DooKey! Please don't beat me about the head and shoulders! :D
 
RFGuy_KCCO said:
You can't squeeze Collatz in there somewhere? I'm running all of those projects, too. C'mon.

I'm only joking, DooKey! Please don't beat me about the head and shoulders! :D
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I would run Collatz, but I don't have AMD cards any longer.
 
That's a very good reason. Collatz runs much slower on Nvidia. Even my 780Ti runs it slower than my 7950's. I don't know how the 980's do on Collatz, however. They could/should do better than the Kepler GPU's on Collatz, but I'm sure they are doing great at GPUGrid.
 
DooKey, are you noticing LHC work units causing major lag due to IO's?
 
I have found that I can't run more than one LHC work unit at a time or it causes the No Heartbeat bug to kill work units. I lost some almost complete SOB work units because of it. I may set up an app_config to limit the number that run at any given time but to be honest.... I really don't care that much...lol
 
I haven't noticed anything on my machines yet (I run it on all of my crunchers). I don't get much work from them though because I have the work share set pretty low. I'll keep an eye out for issues now.
 
For those interested in pushing position in FB, you may want to hit the POEM GPU work units while they are available. Trying to play catch up using CPU work would be really rough.
 
Hmm, I would do Collatz, but I am trying to get my Milkyway up to 100 mil first. In a short amount of time I should be hitting WCG hard and would also consider some other CPU projects.
 
I wondered where you had gone, since I hadn't seen you crunching at Collatz for a while, EXT64. Good luck at Milkyway. I need to make a push there sometime myself.

I think I should have enough GPU horsepower to get [H] into the top 10 myself, since we are just in 12th place now.
 
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I am only suggesting POEM as brilong is keeping us pretty much in the #1 spot with CPU's. If GPU work continues, that won't last... So, without knowing if GPU work will continue to flow steady, it is more of a defensive measure.
 
Being in League 1 is no fun. We dropped to 8th place now, behind BOINC.Italy.
 
Not that we don't have enough people but rather not enough people doing a wide variety of crunching. Some of the projects are low popularity and would be easier points. Most of the team is focused on the most popular projects (and for good reason). That just means we stink at FB like competitions...lol
 
Some targets we should easily get position points in:

WEP-M+2 - Linux and Mac only and not popular
Yafu
BURP
QCN - uses special sensors but anyone running a Macbook, a Lenovo laptop, an HP with the 3d driveguard softare, or an Android device should try running it as it is Non-CPU intensive. This is a case where more devices is king rather than clock speeds and cores.
We don't have anyone running Radioactive

Then there are projects that are hit and miss on having available work. So those pushing FB standing would want to stay connected to them for when it does rain. Some examples are:
The Lattice Project
Volpex
CAS (which has work right now)
RNA
Climate (which is probably about dead at this point)

And there are probably a few others to mention but I think the point is there.
 
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I am only suggesting POEM as brilong is keeping us pretty much in the #1 spot with CPU's. If GPU work continues, that won't last... So, without knowing if GPU work will continue to flow steady, it is more of a defensive measure.
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Enabled my GPUs over here at POEM to see how they do. I originally purchased these GTX 580's since they were fairly inexpensive and kicked but at GIMPS. After a while, GIMPS was misbehaving and I decided to try BOINC GPU. They're not as good, but still hold their own against newer GPUs.

I'd really like to try a GTX 960 or 970 at some time.
 
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Enabled my GPUs over here at POEM to see how they do. I originally purchased these GTX 580's since they were fairly inexpensive and kicked but at GIMPS. After a while, GIMPS was misbehaving and I decided to try BOINC GPU. They're not as good, but still hold their own against newer GPUs.

I'd really like to try a GTX 960 or 970 at some time.
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Or a new Titan....ahem...lol :D
 
We went from 1st to 3rd in POEM, so my guesses on GPU work vs CPU work is probably true...
 
Gilthanis said:
Some targets we should easily get position points in:

WEP-M+2 - Linux and Mac only and not popular
Yafu
BURP
QCN - uses special sensors but anyone running a Macbook, a Lenovo laptop, an HP with the 3d driveguard softare, or an Android device should try running it as it is Non-CPU intensive. This is a case where more devices is king rather than clock speeds and cores.
We don't have anyone running Radioactive

Then there are projects that are hit and miss on having available work. So those pushing FB standing would want to stay connected to them for when it does rain. Some examples are:
The Lattice Project
Volpex
CAS (which has work right now)
RNA
Climate (which is probably about dead at this point)

And there are probably a few others to mention but I think the point is there.
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I let Yafu resume work today on all of my crunchers, so I am now crunching all of these projects, with the exception of WEP-M+2 (don't have a Linux box) and RNA (don't want to run VBox - same reason I don't run vLHC, plus RNA seems to only ever generate Linux work).
 
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RNA should generate the vbox work for any available platform as that is what the VM is for. Their short work units are extremely rare, so as far as I know it should just be the vbox work. It is tough to get which is why I leave the project active most of the time in hopes of getting what ever trickles in.
 
Gilthanis - Am I mistaken, or is RNA no longer a FB project? I don't see it in the list any longer. Was it removed this year?

Also, I always get work from Climate Prediction (CPDN) and just got several new WU's on a couple of my machines. I almost always have at least one WU on each of my crunchers. I don't really ever visit their site, so maybe I have missed something from them, but I'm just wondering why you'd say this project is about dead? It seems alive and active to me.

IMHO, CPDN is a good project to run at a low work share (I use 50, while my favored projects are set to 400-600). The low work share compared to my other projects, combined with the ~3-7 day crunch time for each WU, means I usually just have one WU per machine at any given time. Since the work share is set low, that one WU will often take anywhere from 1-4 weeks to complete, as much of its time is spent waiting to run. The WU's all have 6-12 month deadlines, which means I have never seen one of these WU's go into High Priority mode and preempt other work. The other cool thing about CPDN, is that they don't make you wait for the WU credit; they award credits while the WU is still crunching, due to the way they use trickle up messages to report back the WU status. This also means you get credit for the work you've done, even if the WU fails. That is awesome for long WU's like those at CPDN. I know of several projects, as I am sure you do as well, where one can crunch on a WU for days and have it fail in the end and award you nothing for your efforts. That stinks. I wish all projects with long WU's could/would use this method.
 
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RFGuy_KCCO, how long have you paid attention to CPDN? There was a change in staff since I started. Let's just say the project is night and day since I first joined. There is like 2 people doing most of the work and most of that work has nothing to do with fixing issues and problems. Unless of course you see the problem as getting more work units. Right now, they may have work. I haven't looked at them for quite some time. However, I think you are misunderstanding my above post. I did not say CPDN is about dead. I said Climate is about dead. Two very different projects. Climate@home uses virtualbox for their work units. http://climateathome.com/climateathome/ vs http://www.climateprediction.net/

CPDN had months of no stats exports. They have struggled with supplying work. Their admins rarely post until their has been a very large up cry. The positives you have already pretty much touched on. However, I still see their project going down the toilet.

Climate@home has had very little work for quite some time and hasn't had much communication. The last few PM's I sent to admins never got replies.

As for RNA, they just haven't had much work yet this year. There is a requirement to have a minimum of 2 million points awarded total from a project before it qualifies. Once there is enough points sent out, it should show up.

Edit: if you look at the list http://formula-boinc.org/projets.py?lang=en&year=2015 there hasn't been any points tallied yet. Or at least according to FB.

Edit2: RNA also don't validate their work like most projects. So even if it errors, it could still be ok and get credit. They run a script or something every so often to award those points. Right now I have 2 work units. This machine has ran almost 500 hours and is at 7%. It is estimated to have 2300 more hours to go...
 
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I was referring to CPDN, not Climate@Home. I first joined CPDN way back in 2007, but only crunched there sporadically until about two years ago, when I started crunching there steadily. I have never crunched at Climate and had actually forgotten there was a second climate project in the Boinc world, besides CPDN. Therefore, all of my comments were in reference to CPDN. My experience there has been good, but then I also have never tried running just that project. Since I keep my work share low, and their WU's are so long, I probably just don't notice when they run out of work - I seem to always have one or two WU's on all of my machines at any given time. All the more reason for me to just leave it running as a low priority project that nets me some needed WUProp credit. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

As for RNA "not being in the list," that was due to me not understanding how the list works. By the way, when I refer to "the list," I mean the list of projects that comes up and shows our points when you click on our team name in the rankings. I had figured out that the projects listed there in parenthesis were those projects that had not yet met the 2 million point requirement, but didn't realize that projects that had generated zero points didn't show up in the list at all. I assumed RNA's absence from this list meant it was no longer a FB project. My bad. Thanks for the clarification.

Update 1: My misunderstanding of the list is also why I had assumed you were referring to CPDN previously, because CPDN is the only climate project currently showing up in the list. Apparently, to prove your point about their current status, Climate just hasn't generated any work yet in 2015 and are, therefore, absent from the list.
 
Universe@home is asking more more Linux results... Perhaps a few of our bigger hitters would like to supply that demand. They seem to have a lot of work available according to server status and it would be a good project to get some easy points for FB....
 
I'll fire up those some, since WCG is down anyway.
 
Ugh, on initialization they are really stingy with WU. 1 WU, seriously? lol

Edit: Second update went better - now things are going
 
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