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im at a loss of what fluid to get.....i already have 2 bottles of feser one red left over from past builds
i will be using primochill red tubing
my radiator is clear so i would like to to show some color, preferably red.

people have told me that the feser will clump up....and i know it clouds the tubing as it did on my last build
 
Modder man said:
my radiator is clear
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:eek: sounds like your radiator isnt gonna be very effective. i assume you meant reservoir. :D

basically anything with color is going to leave deposits in your blocks. best thing to use is distilled water and some pt nuke or a silver coil. if you really want color, then put one drop of food coloring in the distilled in addition to the above, and keep adding one drop every minute or so until you get enough color to make you happy. put in as little as possible, giving it time to mix in after every drop. as far as the feser goes, if you already have it then i guess you can use it. theres nothing wrong with it really, its just not worth what they charge. i dont know anything about dyeing it though.
 
ekuest said:
:eek: sounds like your radiator isnt gonna be very effective. i assume you meant reservoir. :D

basically anything with color is going to leave deposits in your blocks. best thing to use is distilled water and some pt nuke or a silver coil. if you really want color, then put one drop of food coloring in the distilled in addition to the above, and keep adding one drop every minute or so until you get enough color to make you happy. put in as little as possible, giving it time to mix in after every drop. as far as the feser goes, if you already have it then i guess you can use it. theres nothing wrong with it really, its just not worth what they charge. i dont know anything about dyeing it though.
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Not sure how this is at conducting heat, but you can see through it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

I don't know too much about coloring and additives, so I tend to just use distilled wate and biocide.
 
HotGore said:
Wait a minute. How did you get a clear radiator?
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lol. read the whole thread next time. i dont know of anywhere you can get this stuff locally. computer water cooling isnt a big enough maarket to just have the stuff in stores. however, if you order from online like petras tech shop (my fave) they will get it to you quickly enough. and for the awesome service and helpful people, its worth giving them your money. shipping isnt that bad on just a killcoil or some pt nuke.
 
I'd stay away from PC Ice. I used to love them but the last few times I've used them the color faded very quickly. I just started using Feser One (Acid Green) and the color is amazing! I didn't find out about the clogging issue until after I purchased it so hopefully it won't be too big a deal. Every colored coolant I've used eventually starts fogging up the tubing so I'm not sure you'll get around that. And I doubt you'll find anything locally unless you find somebody local on ebay or something...
 
if you really want the color but you feel your blocks clogging up after a while, its a very simple procedure usually to grab an allen wrench and open them up and rinse them out. either clean them with distilled, or clean with tap water and then rinse with distilled before putting it back together.
 
ekuest said:
if you really want the color but you feel your blocks clogging up after a while, its a very simple procedure usually to grab an allen wrench and open them up and rinse them out. either clean them with distilled, or clean with tap water and then rinse with distilled before putting it back together.
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Yea that's fine and dandy, except draining and bleeding a loop is a pain in the ass... not to mention the fact that you'll run the risk of not tightening everything up properly and having a leak.

If you want to go low maintenance... go with distilled + biocide and colored tubing.

If you want to constantly monitor your loop and spend time draining and refilling your loop... go with premixed.
 
tuanster1119 said:
If you want to constantly monitor your loop and spend time draining and refilling your loop... go with premixed.
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That's a bit overstated. Many people here (myself included) are upgrading their PC or their WC components at least once or twice a year minimally. At that point I always just replace the tubing. You can get Tygon-grade tubing HERE for $0.20 - $0.30 per foot. I never have to clean the blocks out either. I've gone well over a year before with my pre-mixed crap without having to maintain anything. Just keep your dust out of the case and your UV lights on...
 
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I'd personally go with at least distilled water and some sort of Pt Nuke/biocide/silver. In the past I've used Koolance's fluid and it worked very well, not leaving any residue or fogging after 1 year of use.
 
some people use that. they recommend about 10-15% antifreeze i think. the antifreeze will stop corrosion, but i dont know what it does for algea. i assume the algea wouldnt like it too much. :)
 
No, you need distilled water. Reverse osmosis does not the remove minerals. You can buy distilled water super cheap like 0.98/gallon. I haven't seen it posted on here, but a few drops of bleach also will kill off anything trying to grow in your loop. Notice I said a few drops, NOT a splash. The bleach will eventually just break down into salt water and will not harm any of the parts.
 
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Distilled Water + small amt of Antifreeze + Dye of your choice -- but dyes can caused buildup in your loop and discoloring of your tubing.
 
I have been using UV blue fluidXP for 6 months and have yet to get any buildup to clean out. Also, its no maintenance (already has additives), is colored (easy leak tests), and glows with under UV (cool for some people?). While I have to change my tubing when I clean my loop, that should be done anyways (especially with worm drive clamps). I Highly recommend it.
 
Just a little note on the use of antifreeze. Some, but not all formulations, can in fact cause discoloration of aluminum or copper. Use with caution as your mileage may vary.
 
skipsargent said:
Reverse osmosis does not the remove minerals.
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Yes it does, Reverse Osmosis removes everything (assuming its proper RO not HMA), via mechanical and chemical filtration, in fact in industry they use Reverse Osmosis specifically for purpose of removing minerals
Distilling on the other hand, is simply boiling and then re-condensing into liquid
 
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JoeCoral said:
Yes it does, Reverse Osmosis removes everything (assuming its proper RO not HMA), via mechanical and chemical filtration, in fact in industry they use Reverse Osmosis specifically for purpose of removing minerals
Distilling on the other hand, is simply boiling and then re-condensing into liquid
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Yes industrial reverse osmosis will remove anything smaller than the water molecules. However, and this is the important part, the reverse osmosis machines at the grocery store do not, and I repeat do not remove all of the minerals from the water. Water of that nature would be very unhealthy for consumption and is only suitable for non-potable applications.

Distillation while producing similar results to industrial reverse osmosis goes about it in a different manner. Thus the recommendation to use distilled water, because it actually does have all of the mineral stripped out.

If you do not agree with this I suggest going down to the grocery store and getting a jug filled at the RO machine and then buying a jug of distilled water. Take a big swig of each and tell me how they taste. The one from the RO machine will still taste like yummy fresh water. Why? Here is a hint, it is because of the minerals and salts in the water.

Also here is a link on filtering :http://www.historyofwaterfilters.com/ro-distillation.html
 
skipsargent said:
Yes industrial reverse osmosis will remove anything smaller than the water molecules. However, and this is the important part, the reverse osmosis machines at the grocery store do not, and I repeat do not remove all of the minerals from the water. Water of that nature would be very unhealthy for consumption and is only suitable for non-potable applications.
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Assuming the water put through the RO machine comes from drinkable well or city water, why would it be unhelathy to drink?
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Assuming the water put through the RO machine comes from drinkable well or city water, why would it be unhelathy to drink?
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Water with no minerals will flush out the ones you've got - that's hardly ideal. If RO doesn't remove minerals [like the ones at grocery store {assuming whoever said it is right{] it should be fine for drinking that is not for LCing.

Generally, water that's pure enough to be put in WC will taste terribly [sort of bitter-ish].
 
The water from a grocery store RO machine does come from the local municipal water supply yes, and the machine does not remove all of the minerals dissolved in it. It is fine to drink because it does not remove all of the minerals. Hidetaka hit the nail right on the head, water with no minerals can leach them out of your body among other things.

Here is what thw WHO says about drinking it.

The possible health consequences of low mineral content water consumption
are discussed in the following categories:
• Direct effects on the intestinal mucous membrane, metabolism and mineral
homeostasis or other body functions.
• Practically zero calcium and magnesium intake.
• Low intake of other essential elements and microelements.
• Loss of calcium, magnesium and other essential elements in prepared food.
• Possible increased dietary intake of toxic metals leached from water pipe.
• Possible bacterial re-growth.
 
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