First Time Builder: Needing advice and a build plan

Dance

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I am a first time builder looking for advice and a plan. I have never built a computer before, but have done simple upgrades (PSU, Video card, RAM, etc). I will find out this week if my DSL speed can be upgraded (I live 18000 feet from the CO and only have the lowest speed available) through an “adrenaline booster”. If I can get a faster speed DSL service I wanted a second computer for my place. I don’t know much about computers, but wanted to learn and figured I could by building one. I have only bought Compaq and Dell computers.

I wanted something that is upgradeable and expandable for the future. I would probably build another in 1-2 years and keep that one + this one I want to build. I would then get rid of the one I currently have.

The first thing I needed were suggestions on websites or books that explained the steps involved in building a computer so I have some kind of an idea of what needs to be done and how to do it.

Are there any special tools I needed to build computers?

1. What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? Etc

Mainly online gaming (WOW, EQ, MMORPGs mainly) and some regular PC gaming. Some general web browsing and work (word documents, powerpoint, etc). I would probably want to start of with a single video card then go to a dual setup (crossfire?) so would probably need 2 pcie 16 2.0 slots.

2. What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?

Around $1000 with no monitor. Taxes and shipping not included in the $1000. The price can be a little higher or it can always be lower depending on the quality of the parts used.

3. Where do you live?

Northeast Pennsylvania

4. What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.

Absolutely everything except a monitor: CPU, RAM (4 gb expandable to 8?), case, OS (Vista 64 bit?), keyboard, mouse, network card to hook up to DSL with the wire, etc. Absolutely every part but a monitor.

5. If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.

I have no parts to reuse.

6. Will you be overclocking?

Maybe in a year or two. I had to look up what overclocking is and don’t know how to do it.

7. What size monitor do you have or plan to have?

22 inch widescreen or bigger (24, 26, etc)

8. When do you plan on building/buying the PC?

It depends on if I can get a faster DSL speed. If so I would order everything later this week.

9. What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.

I had to look all these up. Probably not RAID. Maybe Firewire (I have nothing to use with firewire, but maybe in the future). Crossfire probably: SLI maybe. I think I would rather Crossfire, I always had a Nvidia video card and just recently switched to a 4850 HD and am now sold on ATI Radeon. Whichever is better. I would want to start with a single video card then move up to a dual set-up if needed.

All in all I will need a comprehensive list of everything I will need to build a computer (no monitor), plus places (websites or books) to look for the steps and process of building one. I would like to buy everything at one online store. I have bought from Newegg before but would try tigerdirect or another place if needed.
 
Whoa shizniz! A 1 dayer who actually bothered to read the FAQs. Truly a sight to behold, I am in tears.

1. You will not need a book to assist you. The motherboard and case manuals (provided you get a good one) will provide enough info on how to assemble the parts. More "advanced" stuff like managing the cables and internals/aesthetics will however be on you to learn.
2. Tools, you will need a Philips screwdriver, Thermal Pasta (TIM)
3. So do you have a 22" already? You said no monitor but your reply to question 7 indicates that you may not even have one. The resolution difference between 22 and 24 and above is an issue.

A basic build would be...
CPU - E8400, or E7300
Mobo - P5Q, UD3R..
RAM - G.Skill 1000MHz 2x2GB
GPU - You said you recently switched to a 4850 but are not reusing it?
PSU - Corsair HX series for modular, TX for non-modular, Antec Earthwatts or NeoPower, Silverstone ST/Strider series..
HD - 6400AAKS
Case - Is subjective and based on personal preference
Keyboard - Subjective
Mouse - Subjective

Since you are playing mainly MMOs, there is absolutely no reason to 2Card it up; what MMO have you seen is on the forefront of the technological food chain? Hint: None. And the reasoning of "in the future" is plain silly because unless you are planning to add a second card in the very near future, a new card will be on the horizon that will cost just as much as the old and will whoop them both. Such is the state of the industry.
 
Build something youre happy with for now and then build again in the future. I don't think it is, and most people agree with me here (I believe), a good idea to build around the principle that you will be upgrading 1-2 years down the road. You don't know what parts, games, lifestyle, prices, etc will be like then..

That being said, here is an excerpt from my build:


E8400 + P5Q Pro Bundle - $250 + $10 Shipping - $15 MIR:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

Saphire 4870 512mb + Corsair DDR2 800 - $259 w/ FS -$20 MIR -$30MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102797

WD6400AAKS - $70 w/ FS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

Lg DVD Burner - $24.99 w/ FS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136153

Antec 300 + Antec 500W PSU - $89 @ Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103940
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042&Tpk=antec 300

Xigmatek s1283 - $30 -$15 MIR @ Microcenter (you can buy this @ Newegg too)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0288207

Generic Retention Bracket - $4 @ Xoxide
http://www.xoxide.com/thermalright-lga775-rm-retension-bracket-for-478-coolers.html

Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard - $30 @ Microcenter (@ Newegg for slightly more)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0232011

G5 Mouse - $49 - $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104076

Windows Vista Home Premium - $99 @ Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

= $915
 
Damn InnocentNoobie. LoL! I was going to post this exact specs except for the DVD burner though. LoL
 
To help you with building, check out the GenHard FAQ (as HG and InnocentNoobie have already helped you with the build itself). There are plenty of links and guides available for the first-time builder.
 
3. So do you have a 22" already? You said no monitor but your reply to question 7 indicates that you may not even have one. The resolution difference between 22 and 24 and above is an issue.

I have a 22 inch monitor with my current computer and would either get a 22 or 24+ when I build another.

And the reasoning of "in the future" is plain silly because unless you are planning to add a second card in the very near future, a new card will be on the horizon that will cost just as much as the old and will whoop them both. Such is the state of the industry

Great, so i should look for a good single card now then?

GPU - You said you recently switched to a 4850 but are not reusing it?

I put a 4850 in this computer and moved the graphics card from this computer into a relatives computer.
 
Get another 4850 or a cheap GTX260 192sp version then, hot deals has info to them. yes single card.
 
Would the set up that was previously listed be good for a single graphics card computer, or would there be a better plan/material way to build it based on a single graphic card system versus the 2 card system?
 
2 card system requires a mobo that will support 2 cards. Your MMOs will not require a high end card or system for that matter.
 
When are you getting this second 22-24 inch monitor again? If it's not for another year (at least), then hold off on the high-end/multi-card configuration until you buy the new monitor.

That said, listen to InnocentNoobie and lowteckh. They've said everything that I would have said.
 
What are some suggestions for a 1 graphics card set-up?

InnocentNoobie's build is a single card setup.

I will need a monitor for the computer I want to build and planned on a 22 or 24+ inch, i just don't count it as part of the build price.

What is your budget for a monitor? Keep in mind that with a jump to 24", you'll need a beefier vidcard. While a single HD4870 may be enough, most people prefer the GTX280 for such high resolution gaming. If you have a lot of cash, then the HD4870X2 is ideal. Keep to a single card setup... its much easier to deal with.
 
Motherboards come with a ethernet/wireless 10/100 connection already to connect the DSL modem to? Or would I need a seperate card?

Do they also come with an integrated sound card or would I need a seperate one?

I have plenty of room and woukld like a full size case tower, what are some reccommendations on one?
 
Build something youre happy with for now and then build again in the future. I don't think it is, and most people agree with me here (I believe), a good idea to build around the principle that you will be upgrading 1-2 years down the road. You don't know what parts, games, lifestyle, prices, etc will be like then..

That being said, here is an excerpt from my build:


E8400 + P5Q Pro Bundle - $250 + $10 Shipping - $15 MIR:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

Saphire 4870 512mb + Corsair DDR2 800 - $259 w/ FS -$20 MIR -$30MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102797

WD6400AAKS - $70 w/ FS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136218

Lg DVD Burner - $24.99 w/ FS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136153

Antec 300 + Antec 500W PSU - $89 @ Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103940
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042&Tpk=antec 300

Xigmatek s1283 - $30 -$15 MIR @ Microcenter (you can buy this @ Newegg too)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0288207

Generic Retention Bracket - $4 @ Xoxide
http://www.xoxide.com/thermalright-lga775-rm-retension-bracket-for-478-coolers.html

Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard - $30 @ Microcenter (@ Newegg for slightly more)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0232011

G5 Mouse - $49 - $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104076

Windows Vista Home Premium - $99 @ Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

= $915

Don't think that, that retention bracket will work. Better off getting the bolt-through one from sidewinder.
 
Don't think that, that retention bracket will work. Better off getting the bolt-through one from sidewinder.

Right, that bolt thru kit listed is for s478 coolers to work on LGA775 CPUs.

Either of these bolt-thru kits will work:

Thermalright LGA775 Bolt-Thru-Kit (Universal)
http://jab-tech.com/Thermalright-LGA775-Bolt-Thru-Kit-pr-3605.html
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/lgbowiscsp.html

XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233019
 
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