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Finally Nvidia comes back

I'll save a click for others since the text is so short:
NV40 3 Times Faster Than GFX 5950 Monday February 9, 2004
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NVidia claims about its, upcoming, NV40 chip are beginning to raise hopes that the graphics war may truly be back on. Even though the claims about the new chip may seem extravagant, they do seem to suggest that the new boards will correct quite a few of the misgivings of the current core which has kept NVidia playing second fiddle to Canadian rival ATI.

According to the inquirer.net, the new core will enable cards to run four times faster in Doom 3 and seven times faster in Half Life 2 then its current fastest product. In order to back-up such extravagant claims the company indicates that the NV40 will support the shader models 3.0 that it claims are in DirectX 9.0c and that the new chip will have three times the performance and eight times faster shaders than the NV35. If any of this is even remotely close to the cards actual performance then the graphics speed crown will really be up for grabs this time round.

The NV40 is expected to run at between 450 and 550 MHz with the faster versions gaining the coveted U or Ultra marking while the memory will be GDDR 2 or 3. NVidia has also been working on keeping the noise levels down on the new boards, so expect an improvement there too.

Although sample boards should be out this month, cards are expected to become available in April while the official announcement is expected during this year's CeBit exhibition i.e. Thursday 18th of March.
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I don't really beleive this hype untill i've seen some hard figures. Nvidia claimed the same thing with the 5800 so untill it's been revied by someone reputable i'm not even gonna bother making a decistion
 
Actually, this does make me wonder a bit. Why is ATI being so silent? If they were going to announce at CeBit, around now would probably be the time to mention that. There's a lot of variables left.

Anyway, while I may be skeptical, don't count nVidia out yet. The gfx wars are far from over.
 
Originally posted by ati_azn
have you forgoten that the new ati rv420 is coming out too?
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Course not :D why on earth would anyone do that! Anyhow I still think it will be interesting what both of them bring to the table. Personally I'd like to see what Ati will come out with.
 
"...Nvidia's fearless marketeers are also claiming that the chip has three times the performance and eight times faster shaders than the NV35—Geforce FX 5950. Hmm. " -inq

I think the author of the article is just as skeptical as we are.
 
The NV40 had better be dramatically better than the NV35 or nvidia is going to have a truly tough road to hoe.

I'll wager it has 3X better performance in certain situations.
Like the NV30 though, we cannot be sure if this is indicative of overall performance or just at 1600x200 with AF and AA in Halo with a strong wind at its back.
 
Well it seems like they've already made up ground in the midrange with the 5700XT, so maybe nVidia is back on track? One can only hope.
 
Originally posted by NightRaven
Well it seems like they've already made up ground in the midrange with the 5700XT, so maybe nVidia is back on track? One can only hope.
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Hmm, I didn't know about that one. I've heard of the 5700 and the 5900XT ...
 
Well, I hope that nvidia will pull through.. not that I don't like ATi but I've always had nvidia and never had any problems with driver or anything like that. However I have had one Ati product which was a driver nightmare to setup.

What do I really think though? I think that this is another bluff that will fall apart and maybe this time they'll have a triple wide card ;)
 
8x faster. What a joke. Fill rate and memory bandwidth is still king the last time I checked.

Sure the newer chip will be 8x or whatever faster on paper for shader operations. But in the real world shader is not the only thing that is going to make a game 8x faster. It'll be the fill rate + memory bandwidth + your CPU.

To be 3x faster than current crop of chips. Nvidia has to have 16pixel pipeline and should be clocked at 400mhz or faster with enough memory bandwidth.

Next crop of chips are not going to be all that. After the 256bit memory bandwidth and 8pixel pipes. All companies can do is pump more mhz and faster memory modules.

Next crop of chips are going to be 1.5x faster at most.
 
Speculating is pretty fun, however I think ATi should be given more credit since they dropped an A-bomb with the 9700pro, since their next real high end product is the R420 and they've had lots of time to develop it, it should be a killer too.
 
Originally posted by Marvelous
4x faster. What a joke. Fill rate and memory bandwidth is still king the last time I checked.

Sure the newer chip will be 4x or whatever faster on paper for shader operations. But in the real world shader is not the only thing that is going to make a game 4x faster. It'll be the fill rate + memory bandwidth + your CPU.
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just to clarify

memory bandwidth has less of an effect on heavy shader games

in those games gpu frequency and effeciency in shader operations, registers etc... determine performance

fill rate has less of a meaning because it refers to textures, and in a heavily shader oriented game you can create effects without textures

this is why the r3xx series is much faster than the gffx series in shader oriented games, even though the gffx series has faster gpu's and more memory bandwidth, the r3xx is more effecient at shader operations
 
But, fill-rate ALWAYS will be King.

Shaders are great, but they are only really practical as 'special effects'. Filters, haze, blur, lighting, etc.

All that is of no use with no objects to work with.

And 3d objects are always (well, from now on - they didn't originally in games) going to have textures on them. And your screen is full of 3d objects...all covered in textures....

It takes very, VERY heavy use of shaders to overcome the inherent heavy usage of textures and polygons in any 3d scene.
 
Nvdia announced simply to damage Ati's sales. Ati on the other hand is trying to clear the channel of older parts. Ati does not have excessive old stock, but they do not want to stall the channel. They simply lower the price of parts they want to clear ... currently they are working on the 9800 pro:)

Nvidia did some clearing of its own with the 5900 nu etc...now comes the hype for Fx2 ....
 
coming from a site that tries to install GAIN when i open it....


i would consider it fluff
 
Originally posted by Marvelous
Brent link me please with some info.

What games show this???
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Doom 3, HL2, to name the high profile...
just about every DX9 app runs better on the r3xx core. The DX9 cards are not pixel pushers, they make prettier pixels. Its in the design.

as dderidex says tho, you can't do away with textures, at least not anytime in the near future.
the fill rate for both major DX9 designs have decent fillrate, but games are(well, should be) working away from that.
Problem is tho, if the game is designed to use shaders and the card is better with textures, the performance sucks. The opposite is true as well.

fill rate is king of the current crop, however if D3 and HL2 show anything, it won't be standing alone. heavy use of textures and shaders. We're going for photorealism here, just one or the other simply won't cut it.
 
good to hear.. if its true that is :fingerscrossed:

let me guess 3 times faster in quake 3.. 900 fps.. w00t!
 
nvidia's credibiltiy with such claims (that they make before releasing every new generation of cards) is diminished, seeing as the results always prove their pr marketing / brainwashing hype to be just that. :rolleyes:

i'll believe it when i see it
 
Doom 3, HL2, to name the high profile...
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Game isn't even out yet. We don't even know if the final version of these games will really push future cards. To say a card is 8x faster from a game that hasn't been released yet is a joke.

I stand corrected fill rate is still king.
 
It's almost always the case that the hardware comes out first, then the games that exploit it. Unless we get more powerful shaders in vid cards, the developers will be reluctant to use them. That's how graphics technology has advanced. Better hardware, then new software to use that hardware, then even better hardware, etc etc.
 
Umm havent we heard this exact same marketing tripe from same said company Two times before Circa 5800 would be a killer card =killer flop jet engine/ 5900 while not as bad still very lacking in DX9 and far and away not up to the hype.
Nvidia has got a hell of a lot of legwork to do to sell this next card in large numbers;)
if all it is yet again is more clockspeed and memory then they are already dead in the water:confused:But if they have actually got the dx9 instructions this time and stuck with them then they might actually gain back some ground?TIME WILL TELL.
 
Every company says this. I mean comon, the G5 is the "fastest PC in the world."
 
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Exactly. It's called marketing..
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And exactly why most people are sceptical this time as a lot of people got burnt the last two times nvidia sprouted this marketing ploy;)
 
I wonder what kind of cheats they're using to get it to run faster in HL2 and Doom 3? :eek:
 
Originally posted by Cyclone187
I wonder what kind of cheats they're using to get it to run faster in HL2 and Doom 3? :eek:
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Does it really Matter Everone cheats in bench's anyway ....

Turn off AA and AF ... Turn of Vsync .. Make sure nothing starts up :rolleyes:

Get real dude
 
never knew HL2 and DOOM3 were benchmarks?

And if your gonna Turn AA and AF off then why in hell even bother buying a topend graphics card:rolleyes: I think you need to get real!
 
Man they need an editor for that site (badly!)

And yeah im sure this is BS, it's pure speculation at its finest, nothing more.
 
Originally posted by @trapine
And exactly why most people are sceptical this time as a lot of people got burnt the last two times nvidia sprouted this marketing ploy;)
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If you believe what any company says about their own products you deserve to be burnt.
 
For those believing this I have some ocean front property in Arizona for ya. From my front porch you can see the sea. High bids only. :rolleyes:
 
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