Finally going LCD from CRT

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NEC 20WGX2 or Samsung 226BW.

There is only a $70.00 difference in price between these two LCD monitors. NEC is now $359.00 after rebate and Samsung 226BW is $279.00. The NEC is silver however and will not match my system as well as the Samsung lol.

I realize Samsung is 6 panel TN versus the NEC AS-IPS 8. I also realize the NEC is only 20" and glossy versus Samung 22" non-glossy screen.

Both have great reviews.

I will be using the monitor for general use and gaming.

Which do most recommend? Help please!!!!!!!
 
The NEC. Any TN panel will loose qua image quality and especially viewing angles from any IPS panel..
 
I have the NEC, Its a great LCD if you dont mind its smaller size and average black level performance, also be sure your PC can handle it's native resolution when gaming. (as with any LCD they dont look so great running out of there native res).

As mentioned above I'd also steer clear of any TN panel lcd .. the viewing angle alone is a joke *especially* coming from a CRT.
 
Owner of both Sony Multiscan GDM-W900 and Sony KD34XBR960 considered buy artist as the best monitors in exitance with the trintron techlogy at its best , traded my samsung dlp after i bought compared to these two, but the nec hmmmmmm''
Is str8 kick ass 10 with changed the gpu and monitor thru a spider , i would say 7% off in black and 30 % gain is resolution and quality since you force at 60 fps and can throw up the the setting to very high


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The TN's will always be around it seems. The S-IPS though appear to be on endangered species list on sub $1000 monitors. To be able to have a nice one now for $350 with rebate is an opportunity that is not going to be around much longer. Anyone who likes photos should have one S-IPS if the can.
 
Jolly said:
NEC 20WGX2 or Samsung 226BW.

There is only a $70.00 difference in price between these two LCD monitors. NEC is now $359.00 after rebate and Samsung 226BW is $279.00. The NEC is silver however and will not match my system as well as the Samsung lol.

I realize Samsung is 6 panel TN versus the NEC AS-IPS 8. I also realize the NEC is only 20" and glossy versus Samung 22" non-glossy screen.

Both have great reviews.

I will be using the monitor for general use and gaming.

Which do most recommend? Help please!!!!!!!
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TN panels are garbage. I think the 226BW and CW monitors are crap, no idea why they get so many positive reviews. I myself am considering the NEC, either that or their 24" LCD2490WUXi, we'll see.
 
How do these monitors compare stricly from a gaming perspective? I have a 20" BenQ 12ms that I bought a few years ago and I notice considerable ghosting in certain games. I'm thinking of getting a 2ms LCD soley to reduce blurring and ghosting in games.

I've read that the 22" 226BW is the best 22" for gaming. I'm willing to live with less vibrant colors as long as there is no ghosting.
 
In tests, the NEC has been shown to be as fast as 2ms TN panels.
 
Where are you seeing the NEC for $350? All the online stores I've seen have them around $600.
 
Serpico said:
TN panels are garbage. I think the 226BW and CW monitors are crap, no idea why they get so many positive reviews. I myself am considering the NEC, either that or their 24" LCD2490WUXi, we'll see.
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Because people are looking for a display, and dont know the difference between a good one and a crappy one. They just want to SEE something.
 
johnked24 said:
How do these monitors compare stricly from a gaming perspective? I have a 20" BenQ 12ms that I bought a few years ago and I notice considerable ghosting in certain games. I'm thinking of getting a 2ms LCD soley to reduce blurring and ghosting in games.

I've read that the 22" 226BW is the best 22" for gaming. I'm willing to live with less vibrant colors as long as there is no ghosting.
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No, that would be the NEC.

When your browns are orange and your reds are dark pink and unbelievably over saturated, you'll change your mind about putting up with the color problem.
 
Scyles said:
Newegg has it for $360 after a $100 rebate, I believe.
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I don't see the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 20 listed on Newegg. All other sites have it for $550ish with no rebate.


"I've read that the 22" 226BW is the best 22" for gaming. I'm willing to live with less vibrant colors as long as there is no ghosting. "

No, that would be the NEC.
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The NEC is 20" not 22". I was looking for the best 22" gaming monitor. Also, $270 vs. $550 is a very big price difference for a pure gaming monitor. I'm sure Crysis will still look great.
 
Looks like the deal is over. Newegg has the 20wmgx2 for $460 now.
 
Serpico said:
TN panels are garbage. I think the 226BW and CW monitors are crap, no idea why they get so many positive reviews. I myself am considering the NEC, either that or their 24" LCD2490WUXi, we'll see.
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It works well for people like me who aren't entirely in love with the idea on spending a lot more money just to see some better looking colors.

A lot of you guys seem to diss TN the same way you diss dell.

Not everyone needs top of the line all the time, they just want good value and usability.
 
filthysanchez said:
A lot of you guys seem to diss TN the same way you diss dell.
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I think it is a bit ridiculous that TN is acceptable to people who spend a lot of money on a fancy video card, nice CPU, "performance RAM", all this stuff, and then they buy this absolutely awful display for that machine to push images onto.

I understand budgets and everything, that's cool. If it is what you can afford then it is what you can afford, that's totally cool. But when I see someone who is "all about performance" and then they talk about how awesome monitors like the 226BW are, ugh...
 
Serpico said:
I think it is a bit ridiculous that TN is acceptable to people who spend a lot of money on a fancy video card, nice CPU, "performance RAM", all this stuff, and then they buy this absolutely awful display for that machine to push images onto.
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Thank you!
 
What's worse is that acurate color reproduction is not the real benefit of IPS panels. It's the lack of color shift that should be the major selling point to gamers. Why?

I had an excellent specemin of the HP w2207, great monitor. The only problem I had was that while playing STALKER (any FPS actually), I would be running along and find a corpse on the ground, look down to loot it, and it would turn almost completely black. I just could not stand that it was daytime on the bottom of my screen and night above. The VA based panels I tried were even worse, as the sides were brighter and more detailed at all times. Both are usless for games compared to IPS.

I have a Dell 2005fpw right now, and even with the slightly grainy anti-glare, and slight backlight bleed, it's the only LCD I have kept fot more than a few days. The 16ms response is for real, and I notice no more ghosting than on the hyped up 2ms/ 5ms TN panels I have used. Ghosting is still going to be there on any LCD below 16ms, it's literally in your head. Input lag is more prevalent, and IPS does not suffer from this. The only issues with IPS are the reported cases of image persistance (which I have not seen on the 2005fpw), and higher black points. Maybe greater chance of defective pixels and less screen uniformity, neither is a proven fact though.

I have a HP L2335 on the way, along with a 8800GT to push the 1920*1200 pixels, and if it has slight bleed with no dead pixels, it will replace the Dell which will go into storage.

I really wanted to take the risk on the NEC with the newegg deal, but it just seemed like too much money for 20.1" of screen. The Dell only cost me $200 and came in the original box with all the contents. The L2335 was $400 with original packaging and contents. So you can see that they hold value more than any other panel type, but that's not saying much is it?

No, a monitor is not an investment unless it helps you with your work, or frees up your time to work more.
 
Serpico said:
I think it is a bit ridiculous that TN is acceptable to people who spend a lot of money on a fancy video card, nice CPU, "performance RAM", all this stuff, and then they buy this absolutely awful display for that machine to push images onto.

I understand budgets and everything, that's cool. If it is what you can afford then it is what you can afford, that's totally cool. But when I see someone who is "all about performance" and then they talk about how awesome monitors like the 226BW are, ugh...
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If you have the money and want the quailty, as well as having the parts to push it, then I can fully understand that.

I have the AL2216w, but it's pushed by a moderate setup(athlon 3500+, 1 gig valueram, 7600gs), I just wanted the real estate, and the colors aren't horribly inaccurate, so I'm fine with my setup.
 
filthysanchez said:
If you have the money and want the quailty, as well as having the parts to push it, then I can fully understand that.

I have the AL2216w, but it's pushed by a moderate setup(athlon 3500+, 1 gig valueram, 7600gs), I just wanted the real estate, and the colors aren't horribly inaccurate, so I'm fine with my setup.
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Like I said, budgets are budgets. :) There is a place for less expensive components out there so my issue isn't with that.
 
filthysanchez said:
It works well for people like me who aren't entirely in love with the idea on spending a lot more money just to see some better looking colors.

A lot of you guys seem to diss TN the same way you diss dell.

Not everyone needs top of the line all the time, they just want good value and usability.
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so "top of the line" only counts for everything BUT the monitor, right?:D

" my rig cost me a total of $3000 but the monitor was only $250":D
 
johnked24 said:
I don't see the NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 20 listed on Newegg. All other sites have it for $550ish with no rebate.


"I've read that the 22" 226BW is the best 22" for gaming. I'm willing to live with less vibrant colors as long as there is no ghosting. "



The NEC is 20" not 22". I was looking for the best 22" gaming monitor. Also, $270 vs. $550 is a very big price difference for a pure gaming monitor. I'm sure Crysis will still look great.
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TN compared to a S-IPS? No, I dont think so....just telling it like it is, the difference is night and day. I DO understand budgets are budgets though, not meaning to sound like an ass...
 
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