eXtreme PSU Calculator Update

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mnemonik23

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March 5, 2006

The following changes were made:

- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 330
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 1300
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 3450
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 4400
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 SDI

- added AMD Sempron 3300+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 754)
- added AMD Sempron 3400+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 754)
- added AMD Sempron 3000+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 939)
- added AMD Sempron 3200+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 939)
- added AMD Sempron 3400+ 2000 MHz Palermo (Socket 939)
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-28 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-30 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-32 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-34 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-37 2000 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-40 2200 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-42 2400 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-44 2400 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-28 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-30 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-32 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-34 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-37 2000 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-40 2200 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-42 2400 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-44 2400 MHz

www.extreme.outervision.com
 
Wow! Very nice, thank you. That has informed me that I am pushing 553 watts from my system. My current PSU is an Enermax Noisetaker 600 watt. :eek:

Thats pushing it kind of close, don't ya think? Is that safe?
 
God, I wish one day they'd show amps..or maybe I'll make one some day. :p
 
mnemonik23 said:
March 5, 2006

The following changes were made:

- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 330
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 1300
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 3450
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 4400
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500
- added NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 SDI

- added AMD Sempron 3300+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 754)
- added AMD Sempron 3400+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 754)
- added AMD Sempron 3000+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 939)
- added AMD Sempron 3200+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 939)
- added AMD Sempron 3400+ 2000 MHz Palermo (Socket 939)
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-28 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-30 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-32 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-34 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-37 2000 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-40 2200 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-42 2400 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 MT-44 2400 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-28 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-30 1600 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-32 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-34 1800 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-37 2000 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-40 2200 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-42 2400 MHz
- added AMD Turion 64 ML-44 2400 MHz

www.extreme.outervision.com
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If you are the author when will amps per rail be available?
 
mnemonik23 said:
- added AMD Sempron 3300+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 754)
- added AMD Sempron 3400+ 1800 MHz Palermo (Socket 754)
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If I'm not mistaken, the 3300+ and the 3400+ both run at 2000 MHz not 1800.
 
I run that calculator based on 100% usage.....but realistically how often do you reach 100% usage???
 
I appreciate your comments!

I've fixed the values for Sempron 3300+ and 3400+

Regarding amps per rail... I did start a version 2 of my calculator but it's stuck right now because of lack such information. It is almost impossible to gather this information especially when half of the manufacturers do not provide it to the public :(

About 100% usage. Realistically you probably won't reach it. But I'd be safe if I have an overhead.

Also, there are such factors as surge current during start up and electrolytic capacitor aging so I'm going to add another field with additional 10% to 30% to compensate them.

Regards,
mnemonik23
 
You could make a list of things you need amperage values for and post it around. Other people have the equipment to measure this stuff, too, and inquiring minds want to know. I know a few people here at [H] would be glad to help you out...

 
Ok I'm confused now. My APC Battery Backups reports that I am only using 268 watts right now. When I start up a game and start playing (City of Heroes or FEAR for example) and go out to quickly check my status, it states I am only using 311 watts. So which do I believe? The 535 watts that the online calculator says or the APC back ups?
 
unhappy_mage said:
You could make a list of things you need amperage values for and post it around. Other people have the equipment to measure this stuff, too, and inquiring minds want to know. I know a few people here at [H] would be glad to help you out...

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I'll think about it, but I don't want to continue what I've started with amps per rail if information is hard to gather. If those few people stop helping or won't be able to do it later - calculator will be dead in the water since we have so many components coming out of productions every year. I hope you understand.


AppaYipYip said:
Ok I'm confused now. My APC Battery Backups reports that I am only using 268 watts right now. When I start up a game and start playing (City of Heroes or FEAR for example) and go out to quickly check my status, it states I am only using 311 watts. So which do I believe? The 535 watts that the online calculator says or the APC back ups?
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The calculator shows you the max pick consumption assuming that all of your components work at 100% - which is almost theoretical.
Running one game doesn't mean that your PC in under 100% load.
For example, to simulate approximate reality you would need:

1. Start DVD encoding process.
2. Start CD burning process.
3. Start HDD file copy process (let's say 200-300GB OR less - depends on the capacity and shock resistance!).
4. Start Prime95 (CPU and RAM stress test).
5. Start 3DMark06 - Shader Model 3.0 graphics test in a loop at 1600x1200 resolution and with enabled 4x FSAA and 16 anisotropic filtering (for graphics cards that do not support multi-sampling antialiasing with HDR, do not enable it, for those who do not have SM 3.0 support, the third game test from the 3DMark05 should be used).
6. If your PC is still alive - you can check your system power consumption.

Well, you have an idea. Many of you will not be able to do all these steps at the same time but at least try DVD encoding, Prime95 and 3DMark.

Regards,
mnemonik23
 
mnemonik23 said:
Regarding amps per rail... I did start a version 2 of my calculator but it's stuck right now because of lack such information. It is almost impossible to gather this information especially when half of the manufacturers do not provide it to the public :(
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I would have to disagree with that. Much of the information is floating around in this forum and on the web. It takes more work but for the calculator to be of use it needs to detail amp distribution.......watts are irrlevant. There was a excel sheet at DFIstreet a while back that had attempted to this very thing but I haven't seen it recently and of course there was takaman.
 
I have to agree - without specifying what rails need what amps, people could end up with atx1 psu's with way too much amperage on the +5 and not enough on the 12. However, I'm having trouble finding specs for some of the "miscellaneous" components in my system; DVD drive, fans, that kind of thing. Spectre, any ideas?

 
unhappy_mage said:
I have to agree - without specifying what rails need what amps, people could end up with atx1 psu's with way too much amperage on the +5 and not enough on the 12. However, I'm having trouble finding specs for some of the "miscellaneous" components in my system; DVD drive, fans, that kind of thing. Spectre, any ideas?

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DVD drives and optical drives are on the drive themselves. It will give you a 5v and a 12v draw since it has logic and motors. Same for floppies, etc.
 
unhappy_mage said:
I have to agree - without specifying what rails need what amps, people could end up with atx1 psu's with way too much amperage on the +5 and not enough on the 12. However, I'm having trouble finding specs for some of the "miscellaneous" components in my system; DVD drive, fans, that kind of thing. Spectre, any ideas?

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Fans may/may not have amp draw on them, look on the sticker.
 
Another question for the PSU gods...

When I start gaming, my +12 drops to like +11.68 then flops back up to +12.10 then to +12, then flops down again, etc. Is this a problem?


Is this related to the "rails" thing? I have too much draw on my main rail or something?
 
AppaYipYip said:
Another question for the PSU gods...

When I start gaming, my +12 drops to like +11.68 then flops back up to +12.10 then to +12, then flops down again, etc. Is this a problem?


Is this related to the "rails" thing? I have too much draw on my main rail or something?
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What are you using to measure? Also, 11.68 is well within spec.
 
Bbq said:
What are you using to measure? Also, 11.68 is well within spec.
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Asus PC Probe II.

So long as it's in spec, I'm happy. :) My other volts stay rock steady as far as I can tell.
 
Spectre said:
I would have to disagree with that. Much of the information is floating around in this forum and on the web. It takes more work but for the calculator to be of use it needs to detail amp distribution.......watts are irrlevant. There was a excel sheet at DFIstreet a while back that had attempted to this very thing but I haven't seen it recently and of course there was takaman.
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The problem is that we are talking about hundreds of components and a big chunk of them are without rail info, especially video cards.

Another problem that not all of components of the same class have the same amps (like HDDs for example: 7200rpm IDE - bunch of diff. brands - different amps).
Takaman tried to list them by brand and what happened? Just a few components and I bet he did realize that there in no way to keep it up-to-date, unless you guys all work at those factories and can provide me with info every time something new is coming out :rolleyes:

I saw a few calcs with amps... they all very old - no use :(

well, start throwing some links and rail info at me and I'll see what I can do.
email: info@extreme.outervision.com

EDIT: I think it is possible to gather the info, of course with your help guys ;)
but I think it allways will be not up-to-date and then you all will call it the worst calculator ever!
Damn, I feel like I'm up to it again! You guys better be good with info cause I don't want to feel sad again :D
 
mnemonik23 said:
The problem is that we are talking about hundreds of components and a big chunk of them are without rail info, especially video cards.

Another problem that not all of components of the same class have the same amps (like HDDs for example: 7200rpm IDE - bunch of diff. brands - different amps).
Takaman tried to list them by brand and what happened? Just a few components and I bet he did realize that there in no way to keep it up-to-date, unless you guys all work at those factories and can provide me with info every time something new is coming out :rolleyes:
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Here is the key though takaman left you able to put in your own info so it was infinately expandable. You could at any time select HDD and input each rail if your hardware wasn't there. That is waht made it not just good but brilliant.

I saw a few calcs with amps... they all very old - no use :(

well, start throwing some links and rail info at me and I'll see what I can do.
email: info@extreme.outervision.com
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The how to buy sticky has some links....not all...but some. If you want info to do it let me know nad I will be happy to put together a sticky to collect the info you want.

We need a good calc. If all you need is the info we will work to get it for you.
 
Spectre said:
Here is the key though takaman left you able to put in your own info so it was infinately expandable. You could at any time select HDD and input each rail if your hardware wasn't there. That is waht made it not just good but brilliant.



The how to buy sticky has some links....not all...but some. If you want info to do it let me know nad I will be happy to put together a sticky to collect the info you want.

We need a good calc. If all you need is the info we will work to get it for you.
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I edited my post before I saw yours :)
Yep, all what I need is the info. If you guys can gather it - I will finish version 2!
 
mnemonik23 said:
I edited my post before I saw yours :)
Yep, all what I need is the info. If you guys can gather it - I will finish version 2!
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A thread is stuck. Let us know what you need.
 
March 22, 2006

The following changes were made:

- added NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX
- added NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX (690/1760)
- added NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT
- added NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT
- added ATI Radeon X850

- added Intel Core Solo T1300 Yonah
- added Intel Core Solo T1400 Yonah
- added Intel Core Solo U1300 Yonah
- added Intel Core Solo U1400 Yonah
- added Intel Core Solo T5600 Merom
- added Intel Core Duo T2300 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo T2400 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo T2500 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo T2600 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo T2700 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo L2300 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo L2400 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo U2500 Yonah
- added Intel Core Duo T7200 Merom
- added Intel Core Duo T7400 Merom
- added Intel Core Duo T7600 Merom
- added Intel Core Solo E4200 Millville
- added Intel Core Duo E6300 Allendale
- added Intel Core Duo E6400 Conroe
- added Intel Core Duo E6600 Conroe
- added Intel Core Duo E6700 Conroe
- added Intel Core Duo E6800 Conroe
- added Intel Core Duo EE Conroe

- added 150mm Fans

- added Surge current during start up compensation
- added Electrolytic capacitor aging

- updated Drives section with ability to select multiple drives

Announcement. Sneak peak at eXtreme Flow Designer. eXtreme Flow Designer is a liquid cooling system scheme and flow indication tool for liquid cooling enthusiasts. This tool will help you to create a quick flow design for your liquid cooling system just in a few clicks! Release scheduled for a beginning of the next month.
More details here: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/update.jsp?updatefile=03222006


Best Regards,
eXtremeOV
www.extreme.outervision.com
 
April 5, 2006

New additions this month:

- eXtreme Flow Designer has been released! Your comments, suggestions or bugs are very welcome.
- added a separate CPU Overclock Calculator
- added CPU Temperature Calculator
- added C/W Calculator
- added Temperature Conversion tool

eXtreme PSU Calculator changes:

- added NVIDIA FX 5900
- added NVIDIA FX 5900 XT
- added NVIDIA 7600 GS
- added NVIDIA 7300 GS
- added NVIDIA 7300 LE

- updated power consumption for the following NVIDIA video cards:

7900 GTX
7900 GT
7800 GTX
7800 GT
7600 GT

- updated power consumption for the following ATI video cards:

X1900 XTX
X1900 XT
X1800 XT

http://www.extreme.outervision.com
 
May 16, 2006

The following changes were made:

- added Nvidia GeForce 7900 GX2
- added Nvidia GeForce 7950 GX2
- added Quad SLI for GeForce 7900 GX2 and 7950 GX2

- added AMD Socket AM2

- added AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2200 MHz AM2 Orleans
- added AMD Athlon 64 3500+ EE 2200 MHz AM2 Orleans
- added AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2400 MHz AM2 Orleans
- added AMD Athlon 64 4000+ 2600 MHz AM2 Orleans
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2000 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ HE 2000 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ EE 2000 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ 2000 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ HE 2000 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 2200 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ HE 2200 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ 2200 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ HE 2200 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ 2400 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ HE 2400 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2400 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ HE 2400 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 2600 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ 2600 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 2600 MHz AM2 Windsor
- added AMD Athlon 64 FX-62 2800 MHz AM2 Windsor

- added new Intel's socket 771

- added Intel Xeon 5110 Woodcrest
- added Intel Xeon 5120 Woodcrest
- added Intel Xeon 5130 Woodcrest
- added Intel Xeon 5140 Woodcrest
- added Intel Xeon 5150 Woodcrest
- added Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest

- updated Intel Xeon 5020, 5030, 5040, 5050, 5060, 5070, 5080 (Dempsey core)


Best Regards,
eXtremeOV
www.extreme.outervision.com
 
can someone please explain to me why would i need a 700w psu?
i tried using the calcualtor to spec out a
930, oc to 4ghz at 1.375v
2 stick ddr2
1 7900gt
2 sata
1 dvd rom
1 dvd rw
1 floppy
1 sound card
1 fan controller
1 front lcd display
3 120mm fan
2 usb devices

with 15% surge compensation and 20% capacitor aging with the psu ustilisation at 100%.

is it realistic for me to need a 700w psu or do i need to reduce my peak psu utilisation?
 
fan_83 said:
can someone please explain to me why would i need a 700w psu?
i tried using the calcualtor to spec out a
930, oc to 4ghz at 1.375v
2 stick ddr2
1 7900gt
2 sata
1 dvd rom
1 dvd rw
1 floppy
1 sound card
1 fan controller
1 front lcd display
3 120mm fan
2 usb devices

with 15% surge compensation and 20% capacitor aging with the psu ustilisation at 100%.

is it realistic for me to need a 700w psu or do i need to reduce my peak psu utilisation?
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No it is not realistic. Use the PSU calculators and INSTRUCTIONS indicated in the sticky to get an accurate idea.
 
i have followed the instructions in the sticky. and i have adjusted this time by reducing psu utilisation to 85 %, this gives me a wattage requirement of 598w.

now somehow this seems unrealistic, using the setup i have mentioned above, but i don;t know what i am doing wrong. would you be so kind as to point out my stupidity?
thanks
 
fan_83 said:
i have followed the instructions in the sticky. and i have adjusted this time by reducing psu utilisation to 85 %, this gives me a wattage requirement of 598w.

now somehow this seems unrealistic, using the setup i have mentioned above, but i don;t know what i am doing wrong. would you be so kind as to point out my stupidity?
thanks
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Neither takaman nor zippy have a PSU utilization..........so what are you doing wrong? I would venture to guess using eXtreme's calculator not the ones provided in the sticky.
 
fan_83 said:
can someone please explain to me why would i need a 700w psu?
i tried using the calcualtor to spec out a
930, oc to 4ghz at 1.375v
2 stick ddr2
1 7900gt
2 sata
1 dvd rom
1 dvd rw
1 floppy
1 sound card
1 fan controller
1 front lcd display
3 120mm fan
2 usb devices

with 15% surge compensation and 20% capacitor aging with the psu ustilisation at 100%.

is it realistic for me to need a 700w psu or do i need to reduce my peak psu utilisation?
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I think I know what is the problem. You probably selected Dual Processor in System Type. Please read the foot note # 1 ;) Dual Core CPU is a single physical CPU.

Based on your configuration you should have around 512W (see the image below).





http://img60.imageshack.us/my.php?image=consumption7bf.gif
 
May 23, 2006


The following changes were made:

- added AMD Sempron 64 2800+ 1600 MHz AM2 Manilla
- added AMD Sempron 64 3000+ 1600 MHz AM2 Manilla
- added AMD Sempron 64 3200+ 1800 MHz AM2 Manilla
- added AMD Sempron 64 3400+ 1800 MHz AM2 Manilla
- added AMD Sempron 64 3500+ 2000 MHz AM2 Manilla
- added AMD Sempron 64 3600+ 2000 MHz AM2 Manilla

- added ATI Radeon X800 GTO
- added ATI FireGL V7100
- added ATI FireGL V7530

- updated list of current AMD AM2 Athlon 64, X2 and FX Processors and their wattages according to the new AMD modifications.

- updated wattages of ATI and NVIDIA video cards


Best Regards,
eXtremeOV
http://www.extreme.outervision.com
 
I'd like to thank you for all your efforts. Your calculator does make it easy to find out how powerful one's PSU has to be (I'm using your calculator in my method, see sig).
 
454Casull said:
IYour calculator does make it easy to find out how powerful one's PSU has to be (I'm using your calculator in my method, see sig).
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No not really. For the reasons we have covered in this thread previously.

mnemonik23 have you given up trying to correct the deficencies in the calculator?
 
Spectre said:
No not really. For the reasons we have covered in this thread previously.
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You mean the part about watts being irrelevant? Did you actually read my page thoroughly?
 
454Casull said:
You mean the part about watts being irrelevant? Did you actually read my page thoroughly?
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Yes I did.

I wasn't addressing your page in my previous comment just your assertion that the calculator makes it easy to find how powerful a PSU is needed (which as mnemonik23 is aware from previous interactions I take exception with the method used as it does not provide the correct information). You didn't ask for a critique of your site. I could critique it and point out a number of errors, mistatements, etc. if you would like.....but that would be an entirely different thread.
 
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