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extreme edition vs prescott?

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axeae

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i havent really been up to date with all the new chips from intel and amd but im looking to buy a new laptop soon and alienware is charing more than $600 more to upgrade from the p4 3.4ghz to the 3.2ghz EE, is the performance difference between the two that large? also i noticed in another thread that people are syaing no chip is better than the 3400+ a64 in gaming, what about the 3.2ee?

edit: also does anyone have benchmarks comparing the new 2.0ghz centrino with the 3.2ghz EE and the 3.4ghz?
 
I'm building a 3.2 Prescott; I'm not seeing the 'spectacular' value of a 64bit system until the software catches up. Yeah, it is a impressive, but I think Intel provides a great value also- and quite frankly I feel more comfortable with the Intel products.

I picked the proc I did due to the cache. 1MB L2 can't hurt performance.

Personal opinion.
 
i totally agree, and extending on the comments above about not getting the top line CPU. Of course this forum is heavy into overclocking, thats an alternative too. I got my current 2.4c for $cheap$ and its sitting nice and tight right now at 3.4ghz....now i have a water cooling loop on it, but many 2.4c's accomplish this easily. Just another thought...my 2.4c OC'ed will smoke anyone's 3.2c. I say if your willing to do so, overclock it, save money and buy better ram or bigger video card.
 
gclg2000 said:
i totally agree, and extending on the comments above about not getting the top line CPU. Of course this forum is heavy into overclocking, thats an alternative too. I got my current 2.4c for $cheap$ and its sitting nice and tight right now at 3.4ghz....now i have a water cooling loop on it, but many 2.4c's accomplish this easily. Just another thought...my 2.4c OC'ed will smoke anyone's 3.2c. I say if your willing to do so, overclock it, save money and buy better ram or bigger video card.
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Dont blow the top of the line $$ the 3 P4's i have here 2.8,3.0,and 3.2 will all get a 700-800mhz over clock on air, and 1000+mhz more in my vapo.

Or you can get that 2.4c and smoke anyone's stock 3.2.
 
jen4950 said:
I picked the proc I did due to the cache. 1MB L2 can't hurt performance.
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True, but longer pipeline can. A 3.2C (Northwood) is usually faster than a 3.2E (prescott) because the prescott has to do 31 steps to complete an instruction while the northwood only has to do 20 steps to do the same thing.

==>Lazn
 
well since its a laptop i dont think im going to overclock it since alot of heat in those isnt really a good idea
 
axeae said:
well since its a laptop i dont think im going to overclock it since alot of heat in those isnt really a good idea
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An unoverclocked prescott is hotter than an overclocked northwood.

The prescott is not nicknamed the presshot for no reason.

I would get a 3.2C in there if it were mine. Close enough to the top of the line procs in performance and much cheaper. (also much cooler than the prescotts)

Edit: I just wanted to add that the Prescott has one place where it has an advantage over the Nortwood: Media encoding.. SSE3 makes a difference here (if the program supports it) Otherwise the Northwood is actually better dispite it's smaller cache.

==>Lazn
 
hnmm i think im just going to wait until something new comes out, I just bought a northwood a year ago for my desktop so i dont really want to buy another one for my laptop when i could easily reach 3.2ghz by just overclocking what ive got now, any ideas on when intels new chip is coming out? i heard it got scrapped for a dual core chip?
 
Tedinde said:
Dont blow the top of the line $$ the 3 P4's i have here 2.8,3.0,and 3.2 will all get a 700-800mhz over clock on air, and 1000+mhz more in my vapo..
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Quiet, you.

Buy a P4EE, it's extreme, and that means it must be better. It will make the internet faster, you should see the pr0n download on one of these babies! It really is the center of your digital world.

Or something like that.

I still run all Northwood-based machines. My bias would be to buy in the middle of the price stack for the current P4's - that's generally where you'll get the best price/performance.
 
axeae said:
hnmm i think im just going to wait until something new comes out, I just bought a northwood a year ago for my desktop so i dont really want to buy another one for my laptop when i could easily reach 3.2ghz by just overclocking what ive got now, any ideas on when intels new chip is coming out? i heard it got scrapped for a dual core chip?
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Yes and no, the Prescott will be the last of the P4 family, but there will be several versions of it. The 64 bit Xeon version is called the Nocona, (see: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040628/221/ewt3a.html ) it will be out soon. There will be 64 bit P4 and Celeron versions (see: http://www.overclockers.com/articles1025/index02.asp ) the first of these will be out in Q4. (see: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040516122935.html )

As far a dual core. There are several things happening here. First and most suprizing is that there will be a dual core Prescott. (see: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040610151158.html ) This is very suprizing because current Prescotts disapate 103 watts, and future ones over 115 watts. (imagine grabbing a lightbulb with your bare hands to get and idea what this means for heat) This means the dual core ones will be over 200 watts. (close to the heat of a halogen lamp) These will be out sometime in the first half of 2005.

We also know that the future of intel processors will be coming from the Pentium M family. (see: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/07/intel_cancels_tejas/ ) But we do not know if there will be a dual core version of this (see: http://arstechnica.com/cpu/004/prescott-future/prescott-3.html ) we expect so and that it will be called "Jonah" but this is not confermed, if they do make this chip, it could be out as early as the 2nd half of 2005.

But for the near future, a 64bit Prescott sometime around the end of this year or a dual core one early next year would be the only things worth waiting for. (the dual core Pentium M's really interest me, but they are at least a year away) Other than that, what we have now is what we get, with only some speed increases for some time.

==>Lazn
 
man 200watts, that would make a great heating system in the winter while gaming :)
 
You might want to look at Sager for a laptop. They're the exact same thing as Alienware except they have less customizability and a significantly cheaper price.
 
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