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Big picture people. Our rights are being taken away and the spawn of soccer moms think nothing of it. To hell with wether you use emulaiton software or not. It's the principle of the companies' actions. We can't let companies get away with garbage like this.
Bob002 said:Here's my favorite line of all from the Doom 3 EULA
5. Permitted Copying. You may make only the following copies of the Software: (i) you may copy the Software from the CD ROM that you purchase onto your computer hard drive; (ii) you may copy the Software from your computer hard drive into your computer RAM; and (iii) you may make one (1) "back up" or archival copy of the Software on one (1) hard disk.
Therefore, programs such as Alcohol and CloneCD are perfectly legal and useable, AND it says as much in the EULA (thought that is more through interpretation).
It seems to me that most of you are missing the main point of it being the principle, rather than the fact that it is telling him that. Several people mentioned "it's my PC, and I will have the programs on it that I will".
ninethreeeleven said:Bipolar, can we get a copy of the EULA posted, or a link to it so we can all read it.
I totally see this as bad as asking you to unplug your CD writer, but I also dont see it going that far. Any way, I dont and from now on will not own any EA Games until this practice is stopped and/or a patch is made for the games.
I hate EULA's for the fact that thier pretty fucking advanced (I have read about 30% of the ones I have signed and after graduating college with honors I still have trouble with some) I cannot see my little sister (14yoa) understanding any of that.
I hate that and I hate that you do not get the EULA until you get home, after which you cannot return the program.
I think fair buisness practice would be to post the EULA's on a poster next to the games for sale. If I cannot read it until after I own it that is bullshit. And should be illegal.
bipolar said:Very, very interesting. I'll read through the EA EULA (ugh) sometime tonight and see if a similar paragraph appears. If so, it seems to me that they are violating their own EULA; or at the least, preventing the end-user from carrying out a portion of it. Though, to be fair, I *was* able to make a back-up copy of the disc on my drive ... I just can't use it for anything
badasspenguin said:It's pretty interesting Doom grants you the license to make one backup copy. And people wonder why PC gaming is "hurting"
CVNet1 said:3. Prohibitions with Regard to the Software. You, whether directly or indirectly, shall not do any of the following acts:
a. rent the Software;
b. sell the Software;
c. lease or lend the Software;
d. offer the Software on a pay-per-play basis;
e. distribute the Software by any means, including, but not limited to, Internet or other electronic distribution, direct mail, retail, mail order, or other means;
f. in any other manner and through any medium whatsoever commercially exploit the Software or use the Software for any commercial purpose;
g. disassemble, reverse engineer, decompile, modify (except as permitted by section 2 hereinabove) or alter the Software;
h. translate the Software;
i. reproduce or copy the Software (except as permitted by section 4 hereinbelow);
j. publicly display the Software;
k. prepare or develop derivative works based upon the Software;
l. remove or alter any notices or other markings or legends, such as trademark or copyright notices, affixed on or within the Software or the Printed Materials (as defined in section 5 hereinbelow)
I have a simple cure for this..."drum roll!" Don't game anymore! Dude theres always going to be little crap like this to try to stop people from stealing but then theres always going to be work arounds.bipolar said:Exactly. I'm not going to financially support a company that has decided it is the aribter of what I can and can not have on my computer. Maybe you have no issues with this, Noid, but as a nominal civil libertarian, I don't believe it is up to EA to tell me what I can and can not do with my computer. They are not my elected official, passing laws. They are not a judge, appointed by my elected officials. They are a publicly held company, nothing more, and while you may have no qualms about ceding your rights away to them, I most certainly do.
BTW, if you want to reply to me, you have to delete all porn from your computer. That's the rule that I am arbitrarily establishing
coffee33 said:I have a simple cure for this..."drum roll!" Don't game anymore! Dude theres always going to be little crap like this to try to stop people from stealing but then theres always going to be work arounds.
Riftgarde said:Can I make EPLA (End Program License Agreement) document and put it in my root directory? Telling the installer program if it installs software there are guidelines the software must follow while on my property?...
ojax said:OMG Deal with it losers!!!!!111!! LIke OMG if U cant use the CD yOU're LAZZy and your parents must be proud Like omGZ why question what these OoOOber companies do to their customers, because They are ALWAYS RIGHT didnt U know?!?! If they want to scan your HD for ANYTHING, YOU better LEt them because they know whats best for the common consumer, and THEY should decide what you install on your computer regardless what purpose it has for being there. If U have emulation software YOU ARE HAXZ!!!1!! You PIRATEZ copying games are BAD, and Im glad EA decided to throw ALL U people who have this emu software into THE SAME BOAT, just like all the bad people who own guns are MURDEREZZ !!!11!!
OH and its YOUR problem if your CDZ get scratched or damaged, and if they are U should have to BUY new ones and be PUNisHED for your NEGLECT!!11! If you cant even keep a CD in good condition, THEN omGZ U must be Sooo stupid and like OMGz such a bad person. ACcidents Dont Matter!! because they only happen to people who Are too """lazY""" and """" stupid """ to keep them in a safe spot.
/sarcasm off
This is seriously the mentality of some of the people posting here I swear...
v3rt1g0 said:First off, I don't even use any "cd emulation" software.
I'm disgusted at all the people with the thoughts of "If I don't need it, why should you?". People like that are the scum of the earth. Closed minded and tunnel visioned. Who the hell are you to tell me what I should or should not have just because YOU PERSONALLY don't have a use for it?
"I've never had a use for a gun, why should you be allowed to own one?"
"I've never needed an abortion, why should you be allowed to have one?"
"It's possible to travel by mass transit, why should you be allowed to own a car?"
Just because YOU can't envision a reason for someone to own/want/need/use something, doesn't mean they shouldn't BE ABLE TO.
Big picture people. Our rights are being taken away and the spawn of soccer moms think nothing of it. To hell with wether you use emulaiton software or not. It's the principle of the companies' actions. We can't let companies get away with garbage like this.
theNoid said:This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...
So here are your options .. flat out.
1. Bitch about it (nothing happens)
2. Do something about it
A. Don't play that game
B. Uninstall your conflicting software use the CDs and play.
Pretty simple problem to fix. It doesn't take much more then a 5th grade education to figure out what you have to do to solve your dilema.
Or if you really wanna prove a point.. go strap yourself to a tree somewhere, go on a hunger strike and people will then care.
Common Sense 1
Whiners 0
theNoid said:This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...
theNoid said:Valid points, yet its not going to change. So ... uninstall your emulation software (which by the way is used mainly by people who DON'T pay for games). Use the CD on your games... and poof! fixed.
Its not rocket science. I seemed to have figured it out, without ranting.
theNoid said:This is in fact my mentality on this subject. True not everyone uses Alcohol 120 and Daemon Tools for piracy but I'm positive the large percentage of users do, and the game companies know this. They are taking steps to prevent piracy, plain and simple. You are agreeing to the EULA... so...
So here are your options .. flat out.
1. Bitch about it (nothing happens)
2. Do something about it
A. Don't play that game
B. Uninstall your conflicting software use the CDs and play.
Pretty simple problem to fix. It doesn't take much more then a 5th grade education to figure out what you have to do to solve your dilema.
Or if you really wanna prove a point.. go strap yourself to a tree somewhere, go on a hunger strike and people will then care.
Common Sense 1
Whiners 0
theNoid said:Wait... but what if I wanna screw lab monkies in public.. can I have that right ? And I quote .. "Just because YOU can't envision a reason for someone to own/want/need/use something, doesn't mean they shouldn't BE ABLE TO." Point proven. Hush now.