DX10 cards & Vista

[hunter33]

So there are a few games that will ostensibly have DX10 patches, and hopefully a handful of other "native" DX10 games released by the end of the year. But does having a DX10 compatible board installed in a Vista PC actually provide any real benefit now? (ie does Aero look better, will any apps run faster, etc.?)

I'm planning on buying a DX10 compatible card in the next couple of months, and am gathering as much info as possible beforehand. I do have Vista Home Premium on my main PC at the house.

 

[markt435]

considering the top DX10 cards are quite a bit faster than the older generation, that would be the advantage of having one now.

 

[mac292]

so weve seen benchmark that say XP DX9 outpeforms Vista DX9

i'm a noob....but what i dont under stand is.....if DX10 looks far better then DX9,like in the "preveiw" type pics that i have seen.....which i really wish i had a dx10 game to use with the dx10 card i have....i'm really curious to see if dx10 drops off in frame rates even worse then vista dx9 compared to xp/DX9 fps.....

not sure how to say this.......but to produce such an increase in eye candy using
DX10/Vista,wouldn't DX9 have to peform equally well on vista as it does on XP so dx10 performance wouldn't be subpar.....and how can you not increase hardware peformance capabilities when increasing the 3D visuals at decent frame rates ie:low-end DX10 "compatable" 8 series cards??????


sounds to me like (vista/dx9)is definetly (hopefully not for long!!!) CRIPLLED in performance to (XP/DX9) unless maybe you have 2 8800gtx SLI,so if you want dx10 to perform decent why have the way low end stuff....whats the freakin point???? money & greed i guess.....

if we had DX10 capable O.S/DRIVERS/GAMES before we had the hardware to use it,we would still be having this convo is some sort of way i guess



these(amd/ati/nvidia/microsoft) companys need to get the shit goin with some support to get perfomance up soon......

 

[sh0gun]

so weve seen benchmark that say XP DX9 outpeforms Vista DX9

i'm a noob....but what i dont under stand is.....if DX10 looks far better then DX9,like in the "preveiw" type pics that i have seen.....which i really wish i had a dx10 game to use with the dx10 card i have....i'm really curious to see if dx10 drops off in frame rates even worse then vista dx9 compared to xp/DX9 fps.....

not sure how to say this.......but to produce such an increase in eye candy using
DX10/Vista,wouldn't DX9 have to peform equally well on vista as it does on XP so dx10 performance wouldn't be subpar.....and how can you not increase hardware peformance capabilities when increasing the 3D visuals at decent frame rates ie:low-end DX10 "compatable" 8 series cards??????


sounds to me like (vista/dx9)is definetly (hopefully not for long!!!) CRIPLLED in performance to (XP/DX9) unless maybe you have 2 8800gtx SLI,so if you want dx10 to perform decent why have the way low end stuff....whats the freakin point???? money & greed i guess.....

u refering to the recent artical on the front page about xp and vista?

if so i must tell you that artical was flawed as they relied on one manufacture and old drivers for vista

 

[Adionik]

I wonder if the current 8800 series will be able to stand up to "real" DX10 games once they've fully matured.

...i'm guessing no?

 

[hunter33]

DX10 has been completely redesigned and is supposedly much more efficient than DX9 and older. Theoretically a native DX10 game will look better *and* run faster than the same game in DX9 (if you have Vista & a DX10 compliant video card), although it's just pie in the sky right now as there are no games to bench. It's possible that all these GeForce 8 series cards are going to do an even better job with the new DX10 games that what they are doing now.

This has got to be a real issue for the hardware vendors. Microsoft has created a new set of more efficient APIs (DX10) that may allow newer and more graphically intensive games to run just as good or better on existing hardware that supports DirectX10. If that ends up being the case then alot of people are going to suddenly want to buy GeForce 8 series parts and/or ATI cards if they are out by the time the first few DX10 titles are released. The native DX10 games may end up running bad on DX9 cards too, who knows? We really need a couple of native DX10 games to be released so some benchmarks can start coming out. Right now the only point of getting a DX10 compliant card (see: GeForce 8 series) is because they are fast. Nobody really knows what they are going to do in DX10 yet. I haven't heard anyone say that there is any benefit to DX10 in Vista for anything other than future games.

But If I wanted a card to last at least a year, no way would I buy anything new that didn't support DX10. Here is some really good info explaining some of the improvements in DX10:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTA0NSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

 

[hunter33]

if so i must tell you that artical was flawed as they relied on one manufacture and old drivers for vista

That is another great point by sh0gun, the Vista drivers for new DX10 compliant video cards are very immature right now. We will probably see major performance increases once the drivers mature.

 

[Un4given]

u refering to the recent artical on the front page about xp and vista?

if so i must tell you that artical was flawed as they relied on one manufacture and old drivers for vista

So what. So they only tested NV cards. As for the drivers, I don't think you are on the mark there. From the article.

There wasn’t much we could do with the driver situation. We waited what we thought was a reasonable amount of time for game publishers and NVIDIA to get their act together with regards to game patches and drivers, and went with the most current version of both. If a new driver was released, we’d install it and start all over. This happened more than once, which is why this article isn’t what we would call “timely.”

 

[Russ]

DX10 has been completely redesigned and is supposedly much more efficient than DX9 and older. Theoretically a native DX10 game will look better *and* run faster than the same game in DX9 (if you have Vista & a DX10 compliant video card), although it's just pie in the sky right now as there are no games to bench. It's possible that all these GeForce 8 series cards are going to do an even better job with the new DX10 games that what they are doing now.

This has got to be a real issue for the hardware vendors. Microsoft has created a new set of more efficient APIs (DX10) that may allow newer and more graphically intensive games to run just as good or better on existing hardware that supports DirectX10. If that ends up being the case then alot of people are going to suddenly want to buy GeForce 8 series parts and/or ATI cards if they are out by the time the first few DX10 titles are released. The native DX10 games may end up running bad on DX9 cards too, who knows? We really need a couple of native DX10 games to be released so some benchmarks can start coming out. Right now the only point of getting a DX10 compliant card (see: GeForce 8 series) is because they are fast. Nobody really knows what they are going to do in DX10 yet. I haven't heard anyone say that there is any benefit to DX10 in Vista for anything other than future games.

But If I wanted a card to last at least a year, no way would I buy anything new that didn't support DX10. Here is some really good info explaining some of the improvements in DX10:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTA0NSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

qft.

So what. So they only tested NV cards. As for the drivers, I don't think you are on the mark there. From the article.

No, you should have read the thread about it. Kyle said they used 100 series drivers, and like the day after they published the article, the 150's came out. So yes, there have been major driver updates since that article's testing.

 

[drizzt81]

But does having a DX10 compatible board installed in a Vista PC actually provide any real benefit now? (ie does Aero look better, will any apps run faster, etc.?)

Currently there is no benefit that is directly attributed to a card's DX10 compatibility. However, the 8800 series of cards are faster, since they are newer. I do not know whether a faster 3D card improves the performance of the Vista desktop.