Dvd to HDDVD comparision pics please?

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Weenis

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Does anyone have one or more duplicate DVDs that they have on HDDVD that they could post comparison screenshots of? I'm interested in seeing some on a 2407 and a 32" TV..
I'm debating upgrading to a 2407 from the 2007.. possibly a westy 37.. and thinking i might retire the 32" 720p display..

Thanks in advance :)
 
You will be very hard pressed to tell any difference between normal 480p (especially upconverted to 720p/1080i) dvd and 1080p HD-DVD on screens that small...there will be some improvement but not enough to make you go "wow!" imo..HD-DVD and Blu-ray is a waste for screens smaller than 50" and the flood of cheaper 37-42" "1080P" lcd's on the market is nothing more than good marketing.
 
joemama said:
You will be very hard pressed to tell any difference between normal 480p (especially upconverted to 720p/1080i) dvd and 1080p HD-DVD on screens that small...there will be some improvement but not enough to make you go "wow!" imo..HD-DVD and Blu-ray is a waste for screens smaller than 50" and the flood of cheaper 37-42" "1080P" lcd's on the market is nothing more than good marketing.
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You might be hard pressed to see the difference if you sit, like, 12 feet away or something... I know when I compared DVD-quality content to just 720p high definition content on my 24" FW900, it was like the difference between a bad video tape and DVD! It was like night and day. I could even see the difference sitting on my couch 6 feet away.
 
Can you deal with a 37in LCD? I've got The Departed on HD-DVD / DVD. I'll try to take some pictures tonight
 
yeah thanks a lot :) that would be great, especially since its a movie I've seen.
Marky Mark FTW!

PS. I don't understand when people say you can't tell the difference unless its a jumbo screen, when you can tell the difference between non-HD and HD trailers on apples website.
 
UrielDagda said:
You might be hard pressed to see the difference if you sit, like, 12 feet away or something... I know when I compared DVD-quality content to just 720p high definition content on my 24" FW900, it was like the difference between a bad video tape and DVD! It was like night and day. I could even see the difference sitting on my couch 6 feet away.
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Yep it's pretty crazy the difference...

I can take a screenshot showing the difference with The Fifth Element... 720p vs. 480
 
joemama said:
You will be very hard pressed to tell any difference between normal 480p (especially upconverted to 720p/1080i) dvd and 1080p HD-DVD on screens that small...there will be some improvement but not enough to make you go "wow!" imo..HD-DVD and Blu-ray is a waste for screens smaller than 50" and the flood of cheaper 37-42" "1080P" lcd's on the market is nothing more than good marketing.
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I disagree. Sure its not earth shattering, and I am glad that many things aren't earth shattering.

However even on a small screen you can definitely tell a sizable increase in quality. If the movie is encoded badly, it will look bad. GIGO.

Seriously, OP, its like turning on all the AA on games. Same game, but looks better.
 
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Uh yea... -_-

FW900... so... I'm at 2048x1280 res right now... not even 1080 footage fills up my entire screen

Just to let everyone know, the HD stuff was an HD-DVD Rip... not true HD-DVD... but it gives a better sense of the resolution difference. the SD shots are the actual DVD...
 
I'm using the Xbox360 HDDVD player on my 37'' 1080p Westy, and there is a freaking huge difference between DVD and 'upscale' (lol) content. If you sit across the room 20 feet away from a 37'' screen, of course it won't be worth it because you are too far away to see the fine detail. The optimal viewing distance for HD screen sizes of 37'' is anywhere from 4 feet to 7 feet. In that viewing range, you will get the 'wow' factor transitioning to Blu-ray or HDDVD. Of course if your eyesight isn't all that great, don't bother.

Everyone should read these two articles..
http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/1080p-and-the-acuity-of-human-vision
http://www.audioholics.com/educatio...derstanding-1080p-resolution-in-displays.html

EDIT:
If you want to see a good comparison of SD vs. HD, look here.
http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/index.html
 
Anyone who can't tell the difference between DVD and 720p or better on a 720p+ display seriously needs to get his/her eyes examined. :p
 
Someone else had upsampled DVD pics from 480p to 1080p and then taken sections of the picture at the same size to compare DVD to HD (some pics from Superman Returns, amongst others). The difference was astonishing. I wish I could find the web page.
 
wow even scaled down to the DVD size the HDDVD image is amazingly more sharp.. HDDVD is looking really sweet :) just wish i didnt have so many dvds id want to see in HD now without having to rebuy them :( :(
 
Weenis said:
wow even scaled down to the DVD size the HDDVD image is amazingly more sharp.. HDDVD is looking really sweet :) just wish i didnt have so many dvds id want to see in HD now without having to rebuy them :( :(
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What I did was just stop buying DVD's now. If I want a title that isn't in HD, I'll rent it. (I own a nice LG upconvert player for my DVD's which makes it a little better for HDTV viewing) Once I got my HDDVD player, its almost pitiful to watch regular DVD's. :p I'm starting to build up my HDDVD collection already. From Newegg and Amazon, you can get most HDDVD's for $20, used ones for even less and they are practically brand new looking.

Here's my HDDVD library thus far..
- King Kong (2006)
- Jet Li's Fearless
- V For Ventetta
- The Fast and the Furious
- 2 Fast 2 Furious
- The Fast and the Furious - Tokyo Drift
- The Matrix Trilogy (on order, comes in May 22nd :D )
 
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First is SD, 2nd is HD...

Sorry, it's hard to get the exact frame right >_<
 
Yeah, ever since I saw my first HD video, SD DVD always looks a bit blurry to me in comparison, especially smaller objects on the screen.. Of course it depends on the scene and lighting.. SD in dark scenes can look horridly artifacted, almost to the point in some movies where it looks like they are only using 8 shades of grey.
 
Hey, due to the thread topic i dont think it would be right for me to scale these down at all.

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Get the picture?!? :D
 
WOW.. that last comparison blew me away.. time to get an HD DVD player :) :)

Is that saving private ryan?
 
Weenis said:
WOW.. that last comparison blew me away.. time to get an HD DVD player :) :)

Is that saving private ryan?
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Ehh it looks like King kong to me.

I want a HD or Blu Ray soo bad...but i know whichever one i get, the market with go the other way, now im stuck with a credit card bill and a bunch of useless HD-DVDs!

and why so quick to come to a conclusion? what if i told you it was Blu Ray?
 
Blu-ray lost the second we were able to so easily rip the HDDVD's to the hard drive. BD+ still hasn't even come into effect yet. There are already hacked firmwares for the 360 HDDVD which will allow playback of any movie regardless of player/key revocations.

BUT, Blu-ray burners right now do serve a good purpose. You can burn your HDDVD movies to a Blu-ray disk, and they'll playback in a HDDVD player. (with HDDVD file structure of course) :) The downside is, media is so costly you might as well buy the $19 HDDVD unless BD-R disks become cheaper. I really just want a Blu-ray/HDDVD combo drive so I can have the best of both worlds. Some good titles are Blu-ray only still.
 
w1retap said:
Blu-ray lost the second we were able to so easily rip the HDDVD's to the hard drive. BD+ still hasn't even come into effect yet. There are already hacked firmwares for the 360 HDDVD which will allow playback of any movie regardless of player/key revocations.

BUT, Blu-ray burners right now do serve a good purpose. You can burn your HDDVD movies to a Blu-ray disk, and they'll playback in a HDDVD player. (with HDDVD file structure of course) :) The downside is, media is so costly you might as well buy the $19 HDDVD unless BD-R disks become cheaper. I really just want a Blu-ray/HDDVD combo drive so I can have the best of both worlds. Some good titles are Blu-ray only still.
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So what your saying is its a toss up? :cool:

Actually Samsung makes an HD DVD combo and Blu Ray. Which when you stop and think...thats PERFECT, 2 birds with 1 stone and its only 800 BUCKS!!!....But....what movies are you going to buy, HD or Blu Ray?

Either way i wish one of the formats would give in already....damn....
 
Well, I was mainly speaking in terms of ROM's and Burners for the PC. I want a combo in that for under $400. :p I almost picked up a BD-ROM/Burner ($360) today at the CompUSSR going out of business sale, but I held back. I still believe HDDVD will become the winner out of the battle.
 
justaddboost said:
Ehh it looks like King kong to me.

I want a HD or Blu Ray soo bad...but i know whichever one i get, the market with go the other way, now im stuck with a credit card bill and a bunch of useless HD-DVDs!

and why so quick to come to a conclusion? what if i told you it was Blu Ray?
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Well I would say it doesn't much matter, I really just wanted to know the difference between non HD, and HD, so blu ray works as well, since both are 1080p :)

But as per format wars, porn will without doubt be going HD (sony wont license them blurray).. and we all know that the adult industry pushed dvd along.. it will no doubt do the same.

And sony keeps pulling proprietary formatting (HDMI anyone?)
 
Weenis said:
Well I would say it doesn't much matter, I really just wanted to know the difference between non HD, and HD, so blu ray works as well, since both are 1080p :)

But as per format wars, porn will without doubt be going HD (sony wont license them blurray).. and we all know that the adult industry pushed dvd along.. it will no doubt do the same.

And sony keeps pulling proprietary formatting (HDMI anyone?)
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i was just kidding, it was an HD screenshot.

Actually i talked to a guy who said the same thing about porn, whichever the porn industry goes with...wins! same thing happened with DVDs as you mentioned, as well as VHS > Beta.

I've always been a sony guy until the past few years, they have just made several wrong decisions time and time again, and the price just hasnt been there.
 
seriously you shouldnt use 5th element to try to convince people :p that is widely considered one of the WORST conversions to bluray and is being remade. The difference between blu ray or hd dvd and dvd is huge.
 
justaddboost said:
i was just kidding, it was an HD screenshot.

Actually i talked to a guy who said the same thing about porn, whichever the porn industry goes with...wins! same thing happened with DVDs as you mentioned, as well as VHS > Beta.

I've always been a sony guy until the past few years, they have just made several wrong decisions time and time again, and the price just hasnt been there.
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haha same here.. I have a sony receiver sitting right next to me.. but now I don't know if I even want to buy a ps3..when they come down. I really only want one for the new metal gear solid ( one of my huge weaknesses )... but its just so damn expensive.. now if the new final fantasy games come out on it too.. I guess I don't have a choice :-(
 
The real problem is you are limited on what movies you can buy if you go HD or BR. I have found a few movies I wanted that was both HD and BR which put a halt to my 360 hd-dvd purchase.
 
As you coud see in those two King Kong comparison pics, the HD DVD has more detail/information as per it's higher resolution and bitrate.

The res and bitrate become more important as the screen gets bigger, but for HDTV's, 720p is fine for anything below 50inches.

1080 res is obviously useful on PC monitors and would also be preferable if you planned to use your large HDTV as a PC monitor.

Upscaled DVD will look good on 40-42inch HDTV's, but bigger than that, and you really want the extra bitrate.

1080p is overated for HDTV smaller than 50in IMO{but fine for PC monitors}, but once prices drop, 1080p will be very desirable for large 58/61/65 inch Plasma, and also any LCD's that boost themselves beyond 52inches.
 
Not really, its only overrated depending on how far away you sit in relation to the screen size.
 
w1retap said:
Not really, its only overrated depending on how far away you sit in relation to the screen size.
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Well it's pretty subjective. When we were looking at HDTVs 1080p was just hitting the stores, yet we honestly couldn't tell the difference (except on the price tag!). So we "settled" and got a 720p set. Of course this is the [H] so everyone NEEDS 1080p. :p

Oh and fwiw, I just got a regular dvd player (dvp642, which just freakin died after about a year! wtf) and let the tv do the scaling. I realize you can't do that with every hdtv but ours makes it look great. (Sony 50" a10) Since the dvp642 just died I figured now would be the time to save up for a hd-dvd/br machine, but can't figure out which way to go. I guess we'll just get a combo player and forget that there's a difference.
 
w1retap said:
Not really, its only overrated depending on how far away you sit in relation to the screen size.
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As I said, I think it's fine for PC monitors, mainly cause people tend to sit closer than they do watching TV.
But you've got to be closer than 2mtrs for 46inch screens to resolve the extra detail......and that's close for such a big TV.
This makes 1080 both overated and overpriced unless you know exactly what you're up to.
Note that I've not said 720p TV's are better.
 
The whole point of 1080p is to sit close to a big screen so you can see all the extra detail right in front of your face. Its essentially the next closest thing to a movie theater experience. Why would someone even buy a 1080p television if they were going to sit across the room from it? That's just stupidity on the consumer end not doing their homework.
 
w1retap said:
The whole point of 1080p is to sit close to a big screen so you can see all the extra detail right in front of your face. Its essentially the next closest thing to a movie theater experience. Why would someone even buy a 1080p television if they were going to sit across the room from it? That's just stupidity on the consumer end not doing their homework.
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Most people aren't even aware of the relationship between resolution and viewing distance.
People will buy 1080's because they're the best, but that doesn't mean they'll be sitting close enough to resolve the extra detail.

Gotta remember that 720p is a heaps of resolution for TV's......in the past, people were happy with 720x480i on 68/76/86cm TV's,.... so if we move to 116cm{46in} double the resolution+progressive scan it, then we're looking at a very good PQ and viewing experience.

The very best HDTV's that exist today are all 1080's, but they're also the most costly, and if you're not sitting close enough, you lose the benefit of the resolution.

Bear in mind that 1080 TV's often have better specs and features other than the resolution.
 
I'm well aware. I own a Samsung 46'' 720p/1080i DLP, and a 37'' Westy 1080p LCD. I'm doing a 1080p DLP projector in the basement for my home theater very soon.. I measure out viewing distances before I even buy the stuff so I know how big of a screen to get or where to put the couch/chairs. :)
 
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