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No, it's a truly meaningless word. Try it. Take any sentence with "arguably" and remove it. The sentence is unaffected.

"Eric S. Raymond is arguably the craziest man in America."
"Eric S. Raymond is the craziest man in America."

You might say, oh, the second version is stronger. But that's exactly what the first version is saying too! It just inserts a filler word to keep you distracted from its flat-out claim.

Someone or other who knows their shit noticed this, not me. I forget who it was, though. Someone Smarter Than Me when it comes to English, and that's hard to find.
 
"arguably" in any sentence is just an excuse, or really a disclaimer to cover your ass in case what you said turned out to be wrong. Then you can come back an say, well I said "arguably" or in other words "perhaps."

NE way forget the fluffwords, back to issues. :cool:
 
Originally posted by STL
No, it's a truly meaningless word. Try it. Take any sentence with "arguably" and remove it. The sentence is unaffected.

"Eric S. Raymond is arguably the craziest man in America."
"Eric S. Raymond is the craziest man in America."

You might say, oh, the second version is stronger. But that's exactly what the first version is saying too! It just inserts a filler word to keep you distracted from its flat-out claim.

Someone or other who knows their shit noticed this, not me. I forget who it was, though. Someone Smarter Than Me when it comes to English, and that's hard to find.
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See, that's the thing. The sentence is arguably unaffected.

By saying that Eric S. Raymond is arguably the craziest man in America, the reader could interpret this as a lack of confidence in the writer's own statement. The second statement puts the author's 100% confidence in the statement, because they will not accept statements of the contrary.

Analogy time:

If you tell a girl that she is arguably the prettiest girl in your school, then she could interpret that as the possibility that you would entertain the notion of another girl being prettier. If you say that she's the prettiest girl in your school, then there is no reason for her to think you believe or could believe otherwise.
 
Originally posted by §kynet
"arguably" in any sentence is just an excuse, or really a disclaimer to cover your ass in case what you said turned out to be wrong. Then you can come back an say, well I said "arguably" or in other words "perhaps."
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No, it's not. When I say "arguably," it's because the factuality of the statement is not a question of absolutes, or that it's a matter of opinion. If I said that Rie Rasmussen was the prettiest girl in the world, you would probably call me ignorant or maybe you would disagree with me. If I said that the Pentium 4 3.4 GHz Extreme Edition was the fastest CPU out there, you would definitely call me ignorant or else agree with me. The 3.4 EE is not universally faster than any other CPU, thus it can't be absolutely determined that the 3.4 EE is the fastest CPU. How can you not agree that "arguably" is a smart way to address ignorance and contrary thought?
 
If current Northwoods are struggling to top the Athlon 64 right now, how is the slower Prescott going to do better? Don't say "by increasing the clock frequencies to __ GHz," because that statement is very flimsy right now.
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Are you certain the A64 will scale to higher frequencies as well? AMD seems to be betting on a good bump from new production processes, but I think they'll be lucky if they get away unscathed. Everyone seems to be having issues at this point.
 
No, I am not certain. However, there are indications that the transition should be adequately smooth:

1. AMD has IBM and Fujitsu's fabrication expertise available, and IBM has worked with the 90 nanometer process already.
2. AMD is employing IBM's SOI process.
3. AMD has recently released low- and ultra-low-voltage Opterons, which indicates that yields are pretty good at 130 nanometers if needed.
4. AMD's newest processors are running at reasonable temperatures as it is, with relatively low power dissipation levels as well.

Who's "everyone," by the way? Who else besides Intel is having trouble at 90 nanometers?
 
> comparable with AMD's much more efficient Athlon 64.

"Efficiency" is meaningless, only final performance.




:rolleyes: now youre just arguing semantics
 
Originally posted by xonik
No, I am not certain. However, there are indications that the transition should be adequately smooth:

1. AMD has IBM and Fujitsu's fabrication expertise available, and IBM has worked with the 90 nanometer process already.
2. AMD is employing IBM's SOI process.
3. AMD has recently released low- and ultra-low-voltage Opterons, which indicates that yields are pretty good at 130 nanometers if needed.
4. AMD's newest processors are running at reasonable temperatures as it is, with relatively low power dissipation levels as well.

Who's "everyone," by the way? Who else besides Intel is having trouble at 90 nanometers?
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dont quote me on this, but isnt the G5 .9?
 
Only the G5 in the new XServe are 90 nanometer chips. Those got pushed back a few months, too, and none of the supposed reasons for the delays make any sense. I've not checked lately but they should be shipping right about now, if they are on track. Originally, 90nm PPC970s were scheduled for last year, yet only made it out in test batches. The only products on 90nm that I've seen make it out on time and performing well in the past few months are memory chips and other chips with far less complexity than CPUs.
 
Well, there's one strike against AMD's 90 nanometer success. Of course, like the ideas I presented, they are just indications. We'll see, won't we...

...isn't "we'll see" the ultimate cop-out? :p
 
The future is speculatory - we're not insiders and we have to make projections on incomplete information. Frankly, this transition to 90nm is rough for Intel, and if AMD is asking for help from IBM, who seem to have thier own difficulties, I don't think it particularly bodes well for them, either. Each process change does require some processor redesign to cope with leakage, physical layout changes, etc. Put those two together and I just don't see the A64's transition to 90nm going smoothly or scaling as much as they'd like. At some point you have to lengthen the pipe to grab more clocks.
 
Originally posted by STL
No, it's a truly meaningless word. Try it. Take any sentence with "arguably" and remove it. The sentence is unaffected.

"Eric S. Raymond is arguably the craziest man in America."
"Eric S. Raymond is the craziest man in America."

You might say, oh, the second version is stronger. But that's exactly what the first version is saying too! It just inserts a filler word to keep you distracted from its flat-out claim.

Someone or other who knows their shit noticed this, not me. I forget who it was, though. Someone Smarter Than Me when it comes to English, and that's hard to find.
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Not to detract from the thread, but I'm with xonik on this one.

Saying "This car is arguably the best in its class" is not the same as "This car is the best in its class". The first one implies that there is some measure of uncertainty; that it could be argued otherwise.

I think you yourself hit the nail on the head when you said, "... the second version is stronger."
 
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