dual core intel

[Donnie27]

should i go dual core intel?
i was thinking of getting a dual core intel 820. would this be better than a venice 3200+ rig
heres what i was thinking of getting

amd 64 3200+venice
a nice mobo
1 gig of pc3500 OCZ dual channel ram
and a x850xt

or intel dual core 820
1 gig of ocz dual channel ddr2 ram
x850xt
and a nice mobo

of course i know the price differences


i love gaming but i want a fast, snappy computer. i really dont do any video editing. i want to be able to play games very well especially with battlefield 2 coming out

i also want future proofing hence why im leaning towards intel.

what do you think?

There's no "future proofing". At this time next year AMD and Intel will have switched platforms and sockets.

There are problems with what and how you compare these two prospective rigs. As One guy already tried to tell you, 3200+ Venice is one thing but to bring up a cheap nforce 4 and board compare to a top of the i955X ain't right=P i945 might have been closer to the AMD board, look at the features? These sell for as little as;Asus 945P $132 + PD 820 $273 + 1GB of PQI $127

So for $533, all 3 of these are cheaper than the cheapest X2 and yes, both can be overclocked so stock speed is moot for most folks here, hell, they overclock everything LOL! 3200+ Venice is great for games but there are multimedia apps that show the 820 out doing the 3500+, sheesh! I'm going AMD on my next build and have looked at tons of setups and try to keep my options open.

May as well compare 955 to nForce4 Ultra SLI about a $60 difference.
Something better than a 3200+ Venice to compare to a Pentium D 820.
Please don't compare PC3500 to PC667 when Even PCDDR2 533 has more Bandwidth. Dual Channel PC533 DDR2 has 8.4GB of bandwdith to match Intel's 1066MHz FSB processors. So at a minimum you'd need to compare it to at least DDR1 4200.

I'm kind of shocked none of the AMD guys didn't try to tell you to get better than PC-3500 RAM if you plan on overclock a hammer. 3500 doesn't overclock well.

To get CrossFire to work, from what I saw, you'll need an ATI chipset, I could be wrong though. Then ATI's best bang for the Buck higher end card is the X800XL anyway. XT doesn't make up for the cost difference performance wise. X800XL is about $279 on average. That means that with the extra/leftover money you could get an even faster Processor or etc.... I'd almost bet that a 3700+ and X800XL would be faster than an XT abd 3200+.

I left out the video card because it doesn't changed the price of the rigs as they compare to each other. If all I did was game, I'd buy an Xbox or something.

Donnie27

 

[slatter]

Apparently (according to a couple Chinese hardware review sites), some socket 775 motherboards based on the 865 chipsets will support Pentium D. Click the link below.

http://www.shbear.com/2/lib/200504/29/20050429318.htm

Personally, if this were true, I am going to upgrade to Pentium D since I rarely play any games any more.

 

[thecoldanddarkone]

I don't know if anyone has varified it yet. But the 865/875 chipsets have the dual processor logic in them, hence the 875 dual processor motherboard that was out. Of course the 915-925 does not. Its why they won't be able to. The only one that (supposed to) supports intel dual core is the dfi models.

 

[meelk]

awesome. so it appears the whole DFI thing is true. thats just fantastic.

 

[robberbaron]

I'm kind of shocked none of the AMD guys didn't try to tell you to get better than PC-3500 RAM if you plan on overclock a hammer. 3500 doesn't overclock well.

Probably because AMD systems dont need high speed memory to run great.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=917047

awesome. so it appears the whole DFI thing is true. thats just fantastic.

Yeah, I think that's pretty cool. Strange that they took it out of the 915/925 though.

 

[sirholio]

To get CrossFire to work, from what I saw, you'll need an ATI chipset, I could be wrong though. Then ATI's best bang for the Buck higher end card is the X800XL anyway. XT doesn't make up for the cost difference performance wise. X800XL is about $279 on average. That means that with the extra/leftover money you could get an even faster Processor or etc.... I'd almost bet that a 3700+ and X800XL would be faster than an XT abd 3200+.
Donnie27

I was wondering when someone was going to say something about this, i was getting ready to say that you'll need a whole new board anyway.

 

[Donnie27]

Probably because AMD systems dont need high speed memory to run great.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=917047

Yeah, I think that's pretty cool. Strange that they took it out of the 915/925 though.

Not so fast there dude. Wasn't that thread about Single Channel nForce3 Sc-754? Surely you don't want to apply that to Dual Channel, right?

That still takes NOTHING away from over buying from buying 533 LL instead of 667 for the Intel rig=P

If you want to see something, do this? Run a Single channel of RAM on almost any Dual Channel Sc-939 Board? DC always causes overhead that's made up for in overall performance. This has been known since i845 was being compared to i850. Look at game performance on those old reviews?

Your benchmarks? They're almost useless to me. I love Audio and Video, make recording with my Basses, some Keyboards and even Drums (nothing pro BTW). I have a 21 month old that my wife loves shoot video of (digital and Analog). I make Music Vedos and Digital Photo Albums with Music (Mixed Mode CD as well). So AMD as whole is NOT that big of a deal LOL! Sc-754 is even less of a deal. Break out Unlead Studio, Premiere Pro 7, Windows Movie Maker, Roxio's or even Nero Software then well talk? PLAESE NOTE! I mean this as the difference between a 939 vs 754, NOT vs INTEL! Pardon the pun but 754 gets Hammered! Thank goodness for Games, hehehehe!

I'll build me a Sc-939 3700+ Venice and it's main use will be Games but not limited to games. I'll install very or No useless benchmark software I'll run Multipicity and control two computers almost like VT or Pacifica. One Intel for multimedia and one AMD rig for Games.

I still stand by this one!-->"That means that with the extra/leftover money you could get an even faster Processor or etc.... I'd almost bet that a 3700+ and X800XL would be faster than an XT and 3200+." See, that line has nothing to do with Intel vs. AMD.

Donnie27

 

[robberbaron]

Not so fast there dude. Wasn't that thread about Single Channel nForce3 Sc-754? Surely you don't want to apply that to Dual Channel, right?

Yes, and with dual channel, any write bandwidth limitations are all but gone, making high speed memory even less of a necessity for performance. But thanks for playing.

 

[Donnie27]

Yes, and with dual channel, any write bandwidth limitations are all but gone, making high speed memory even less of a necessity for performance. But thanks for playing.

Thanks for playing?

Donnie27

 

[robberbaron]

Thanks for playing?

Donnie27

It seemed like you were trying to discredit the benchmarks because it was on single channel which only makes the case for not needing super fast memory stronger on 939's dual channel. And the thread was for general information, not for every single multimedia application in existance.

 

[Donnie27]

It seemed like you were trying to discredit the benchmarks because it was on single channel which only makes the case for not needing super fast memory stronger on 939's dual channel. And the thread was for general information, not for every single multimedia application in existance.

I didn't say supper fast as in PC4400 or or faster, I did say PC4200 just for an example. That would equal 8.4GB that DC DDR2 533 can*** reach. Of course . Either way, PC-667 is still overkilled unless he's like many of the folks at Xtremesystems.org, that I doubt. Just as PC-5000 is not needed for the Athlon64, DDR2 667 is not needed for an 800MHz FSB P4. Now one channel of DDR2 800 might be nice. Unless it is CAS5 or something LOL! What in the hell would a P4 do with that kind of Bandwidth?

Please go back and look at what I said. I said for "overclocking", something better than PC-3500 will be needed. Dual Ch. presents more of an overclocking challenge than Single channel but the rewards are also greater. Then again, I want 1MB L2, Dual Channel, Venice and etc.., maybe I'm just being needlessly greedy?

Last be not least, IMHO, i915 and 925 not getting the correct Arbitration Logic for dual core support, even after a 2nd and 3rd revisions is total BS! i875 has an older version and will not work as well as i955 or i945 IMO!

Donnie27