Doom 3 will require

[MetalStorm]

he develops on a mac so...

So just about everyone on this forum is going to have a faster rig than him then

 

[tornadotsunamilife]

So just about everyone on this forum is going to have a faster rig than him then

well last time i saw this video documentary sort of thing on doom 3 he was using a mac, but i doubt he only has one pc and its probably totally modified (however the G5 calculations can beat dual opteron's with certain none gaming statistics lol)
but if he can create it he can create it no? meaning he has some form of 512mb card (but couldn't it be just a wildcat or something?), because as long as he can see what he has created it doesn't matter if the card isn't really designed for gaming/can't play games at great performance

 

[kcthebrewer]

One thing that was mentioned in the PCGamer article that has not received alot of attention is the sound requirement, or lack of one. I have a Audigy 2 ZS and was very dismayed to hear it isn't even going to be utilized. Moreover, the fact that onboard sound chips will handle these duties, I think this will ultimately be more taxing on the CPU. I have an AMD64 2800 and a 6800GT on it's way. Very disappointed that my average CPU is going to take more of a hit and my sound card is for naught. Oh well, there's always HL2, heh.

According to reports it actually uses less CPU cycles than if you were actually using the Audigy. Sounds crazy, but that is what I hear.

 

[tornadotsunamilife]

i don't think this game will be really CPU extensive since the AI isn't going to be exactly far cry or half life 2 but it may be like stalker in which everything is constantly living (so to speak with zombies ) an moving and preying on something

btw that sound thing is surely impossible

 

[Chris_Morley]

edited because I didn't see what he was referring to...

/smacks forehead

 

[Wetworks]

The point of a seperate card, be it sound, video, etc, is to lessen the demand put on the CPU. The only thing affected by a dedicated card is power, and in the case of sound, some system memory (which would be impacted by integrated sound chips anyway). Just a case of dumming down requirements to make more money, which is good business practice. Can't argue with it. I'm just disappointed. Same thing about games on CD. It makes more sense to put them on DVD, but not everyone has a DVD drive. Even tho you can get one for like $25, couple that with the purchase of a game, and it will turn a percentage of people off from buying the game altogether. Just the way it goes

 

[krizzle]

well last time i saw this video documentary sort of thing on doom 3 he was using a mac, but i doubt he only has one pc and its probably totally modified (however the G5 calculations can beat dual opteron's with certain none gaming statistics lol)
but if he can create it he can create it no? meaning he has some form of 512mb card (but couldn't it be just a wildcat or something?), because as long as he can see what he has created it doesn't matter if the card isn't really designed for gaming/can't play games at great performance

He was using a mac monitor, if you are talking about the DoomIII legacy video...

He's a mac fan, allright... If you saw the GeForce 3 release presentation by Steve Jobs, ID gave their FIRST footage of doomIII development, 4 years ago, at a mac convention, on a mac, running a geforce 3. Still got the video here.

 

[archevilangel]

2 gb = 2 or 3 cds, depending on if they can compress it good.

 

[InkSpot]

2 gb = 2 or 3 cds, depending on if they can compress it good.

Don't really get this, why not put it on a dvd ? Every computer sold since 2000-2001 have a dvd drive installed..

 

[theelviscerator]

my comment about carmacks system was facetious, for you boneheads that couldnt figure that out.
this is hardly a "mediocre system" however.
Cuz if it is, most of your systems would qualify as low end.

 

[ReVRiN]

haha yeah that statement is pretty funny, but only from the angle that you might actually believe it.

AHAHAHAHA!!! F@cking hilarious.

I can only imagine what Carmack has running, probably need to sign a non-disclosure contract if you saw it.

 

[Wyrdone]

AHAHAHAHA!!! F@cking hilarious.

I can only imagine what Carmack has running, probably need to sign a non-disclosure contract if you saw it.

To reitterate what a previous poster said, It's not what JC has personally running on his devleopment workstation (which is probably pretty vanilla, upper end vanilla, but still vanilla) but what they have running on the machines in their hardware testlab. You don't need ultra top of the line hardware to do development of the engine. You need a machine that will support (barely) the features your implementing and be stable.

Now the testing lab is another matter as they have to test the software under all the different possible hardware families (maybe not hitting each and every video card out there but at least once from each core revision...same with CPU's and Mobo's.)

 

[Chris_Morley]

He may not be John Carmack, but I can tell you exactly what Paul Steed is working on at Microsoft's XBOX development team...because I sold it to him.

 

[Deleted member 82210]

Isn't Doom 3 pretty much an indoor evironment setting? Compared to the vast outdoor missions in Far Cry, where so much more needs to be rendered at once, not to mention draw distance. I'd bet there would be far fewer levels in Doom where one would see big frame rate drops.

 

[Chris_Morley]

Isn't Doom 3 pretty much an indoor evironment setting? Compared to the vast outdoor missions in Far Cry, where so much more needs to be rendered at once, not to mention draw distance. I'd bet there would be far fewer levels in Doom where one would see big frame rate drops.

Higher poly characters, more intense use of shaders, you name it. Heck, even adding more lights could bring a card to its knees.

Outdoor environments != more computational requirements

 

[Deleted member 82210]

Higher poly characters, more intense use of shaders, you name it. Heck, even adding more lights could bring a card to its knees.

Outdoor environments != more computational requirements

So much for wishful thinking.

 

[ShowMeThe$$$$$$]

my comment about carmacks system was facetious, for you boneheads that couldnt figure that out.
this is hardly a "mediocre system" however.
Cuz if it is, most of your systems would qualify as low end.

Hahahaaaa you're just mad cause every1 layed the smack to ya!!

My rig is in my public profile if any1 cares.

 

[kcthebrewer]

Doom3 actually supports a longer view distance than Far Cry. <- that is fact.

As for the sound thing, I swore I read it somewhere (probably a forum), but with Carmack you never know.

 

[CIWS]

my comment about carmacks system was facetious, for you boneheads that couldnt figure that out.
this is hardly a "mediocre system" however.
Cuz if it is, most of your systems would qualify as low end.

If this had been your only statement around the fact I might consider this a possibility. However what I have noticed is your consistant posting about how fast your system is compared to everyone else's, so I'm going to wager you actually thought it might be true and once again you prove it by this post as well. You got a fast cmputer, great, so do a lot of other people in this forum.

 

[AgentxofxChaos]

The point of a seperate card, be it sound, video, etc, is to lessen the demand put on the CPU. The only thing affected by a dedicated card is power, and in the case of sound, some system memory (which would be impacted by integrated sound chips anyway). Just a case of dumming down requirements to make more money, which is good business practice. Can't argue with it. I'm just disappointed. Same thing about games on CD. It makes more sense to put them on DVD, but not everyone has a DVD drive. Even tho you can get one for like $25, couple that with the purchase of a game, and it will turn a percentage of people off from buying the game altogether. Just the way it goes

Well like you said, the DVD thing is about money too, and they said they weren't putting Doom III on a DVD because of costs involved, so that is why it is on a CD. It woould have been nice, but I mean c'mon it is Doom III, I don't care how many discs i gotta throw in my computer, as long as it gets on there.

 

[denaps]

If this had been your only statement around the fact I might consider this a possibility. However what I have noticed is your consistant posting about how fast your system is compared to everyone else's, so I'm going to wager you actually thought it might be true and once again you prove it by this post as well. You got a fast cmputer, great, so do a lot of other people in this forum.

i agree - i've seen a few other condescending posts about people's computer running doom 3 as a slide show, being "mucho" slow, etc. yes this is a hardware forum and we are obviously interested in your specs - but we are not interested in you being an asshole.

 

[krizzle]

theelviscreator = pwned.

Your great system will only last for a few weeks before there's someone much better. Brag elsewhere, richboy.

 

[Chris_Morley]

my comment about carmacks system was facetious, for you boneheads that couldnt figure that out.
this is hardly a "mediocre system" however.
Cuz if it is, most of your systems would qualify as low end.

Let me introduce you to what we'll be showing this year at SIGGRAPH:

Dual Xeon 3.6Ghz/800Mhz FSB
4GB Dual Channel DDR II 400 memory
DUAL QuadroFX 3400 256MB in SLI


So I'm sorry, what did you say?

 

[krizzle]

theelviscreator = pwned again. Bawahaha

 

[CIWS]

Ok folks, let's please try and get back to the thread's topic.


One of the questions looming in my mind is a system that meets roughly minimum specs, what does ID or anyone else think the game will be run at ? 640 x 480, 16 or 32 bit color and textures. Will it even have a 16 bit option, etc

 

[ChingChang]

This baby still has some MHZ left in it!

Ahh sorry. I misread your post I thought you had a 2.4 ghz machine instead of the 3.4. Nice overclock

The newer cards will definately help, but it's up to you if you want to spend all that money on an upgrade. What I would do is try out Doom 3, and if you are getting crappy framerates with the 9800 you could always upgrade at a later time

 

[s10010001]

Let me introduce you to what we'll be showing this year at SIGGRAPH:

Dual Xeon 3.6Ghz/800Mhz FSB
4GB Dual Channel DDR II 400 memory
DUAL QuadroFX 3400 256MB in SLI


So I'm sorry, what did you say?

theelviscerator = ouch..

But seriously the only think that impresses me on that Dual Xeon system is the Dual Quadro's in SLI...but even then id rather see Dual 6800ultra on PCI express in SLI.

I still think id rather have his 3.9Ghz P4 for than a dual 3.6 Xeon. His 3.9 will probley run games faster that that server setup anyway. Remember you need a game that will use 4 gigs of ram before you can gain from it. And you need a game that will use a dual CPU before you can brag about it.

If we want to bring in server stuff here im sure i know of a quad 3.2 Xeon sporting 8 gigs of ram sitting in my server room right now that will come play if need be.. not im sayign that system you got for SIGGRAPH aint bitchen but i hardly think it best for gamming.

i dont think theelviscerator was all that serious, why you all on his ass, and callimg him a rich boy in that manner, has got to be against the rules somewhere....

 

[firtol88]

I truly wonder what the recommended system spec will be. It has been mentioned that hardware doesn't exist that will run D3 at it's full detail. The recommended spec for most games is the minimum to run them at full detail...

 

[john_with_a_J]

Surely my system will rule ass ?

Will I be able to use full detail, or will I have to turn some of the individual pixel effects down a bit?

 

[Chris_Morley]

theelviscerator = ouch..

But seriously the only think that impresses me on that Dual Xeon system is the Dual Quadro's in SLI...but even then id rather see Dual 6800ultra on PCI express in SLI.

I still think id rather have his 3.9Ghz P4 for than a dual 3.6 Xeon. His 3.9 will probley run games faster that that server setup anyway. Remember you need a game that will use 4 gigs of ram before you can gain from it. And you need a game that will use a dual CPU before you can brag about it.

If we want to bring in server stuff here im sure i know of a quad 3.2 Xeon sporting 8 gigs of ram sitting in my server room right now that will come play if need be.. not im sayign that system you got for SIGGRAPH aint bitchen but i hardly think it best for gamming.

i dont think theelviscerator was all that serious, why you all on his ass, and callimg him a rich boy in that manner, has got to be against the rules somewhere....

Not a server. Workstation.

And the SLI 3400's will run it faster than his X800. Is Doom3 multithreaded? Quake3 was...either way his extra 300Mhz on one processor won't outweigh the fact that this system has a faster video setup, and the inherent benefit of a second process even if D3 doesn't support SMT.

Dunno. Either way, we're showing that workstation at SIGGRAPH for programs like Maya, 3DSMax, Combustion, etc...just pointing out that his rig wasn't all that.

 

[JediFonger]

hey ya'll,

regarding the DVD or not (which is another thread in of itself), i really think that it is about titles. think about it... no one got into DVD movies until The Matrix debut on DVD and sold a boat-load. it was the first time all the movie studios woke up and realized the amount of dipping could be done. that and The X-Files Season1. it made TV series and movie re-releases very profitable. gentlemen it is ALL about title, title, title. now i wish someone in game dev would realize this, cyan realizes it with myst starting with riven (they had versions of it on DVD-ROM) but they still couldn't boldy release ONLY on DVD-ROM. all i'm saying is that all it takes is ONE title. UT2k4 did an awesome job with the DVD-ROM edition, really gotta hand it to epic and tim there for trying. i wish JC would demand that it at least come in both and if DVD-ROM surpasses CD-ROM sales... then we have the proof in the pudding. all it takes is one title guys. same with HL, hopefully vavle knows this... but i guess that will fail us too. if i were making the next doom3 and hl2 i were the sole guy i would stamp my feet down (knowing that i hold the power) and say, alright guys DVD-ROM only! no more CDROM!

now... back to topic, about the doom3 min. requirements, i have:
dual 2800mp
tyan tiger mpx
9800xt 256mb
1gb pc2700
raptor
m-audio rev 7.1

now i KNOW for sure that the amd 760 mpx chipset is gonna be my memory limit and i KNOW that... but having said that i can still run q3a fine. haven't tried far cry yet but i assume it should be OK.

 

[theelviscerator]

If this had been your only statement around the fact I might consider this a possibility. However what I have noticed is your consistant posting about how fast your system is compared to everyone else's, so I'm going to wager you actually thought it might be true and once again you prove it by this post as well. You got a fast cmputer, great, so do a lot of other people in this forum.

Hope you didnt wager the house.

I have built my own systems since around 96 so dont worry I know all about the upgrade process to stay current. Its a non stop game of musical chairs for computer parts.
When Doom arrives I am sure I can game at 1280 with the eye candy cranked, with a fair amount of AA/AF.
Krizzle speak english pwned is an outdated term children playing CS used in the 90s

 

[Headbust]

Hey if i spend another $400 ill have just as good system as you!...Wow, is it really worth the extra 3% performance increase and 5000 extra 3dmarks!

 

[theelviscerator]

Hey if i spend another $400 ill have just as good system as you!...Wow, is it really worth the extra 3% performance increase and 5000 extra 3dmarks!

more like 40% so yes

 

[The[H]uman]

HAHAHA omg...so great.

A fellow Cincinnatian, I see. Where you at? I'm up near Mason by Kings Island.

So am I on Mason/Montgomery road right up by P&G

 

[Major_A]

Am I the only sane person here? Why even talk about upgrading without even playing the game first? Pick up the game, play it for a while and see if you feel like you need to upgrade.


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