Does a good LCD exist?

[Jollten]

I have been trying to find one, but I can't. Is there a VA panel with good blacks, good looking colors, and low input lag (less than 30ms)?
Right now, I am leaning toward the HannsG HG-281DJB. It looked stunning at BB. It even looked way better than the L2410NM which is a VA panel. It had better view angles and less lag as well. Of course, the lag is why I turned down the L2410NM.
I would like 1900x1200, but, if I could get the good blacks, colors, and low lag that I want, I would go down to 1600x1050.
Any ideas?

 

[bradsh]

The Soyo 24" I bought would be great - you know, if I could find one without any panel defects. The OSD kinda sucks but once you get it set up it has great colors, contrast, P-MVA panel, 16:10 or 4:3 scaling (no 1:1 pixel mode or 16:9 mode), no lag that I could discern (played TF2, CoD4, Crysis, and Halo3), and that Soyo prestige. Since you buy them in B&M officemax though, you can just keep swapping until you get a perfect panel. Supposedly the newer models don't fry in a week anymore.

As for blacks and contrast, I put up those LCD test images with the squares, and I could see all of the blacks and all but the last 2 of the whites. And it was still blindingly bright.

It's not for everyone but it's $300 this week at officemax and you can bring it back within 14 days.

 

[clockdogg]

No, a good LCD does not exist. Stop looking.

Low lag, great color, awesome blacks. You might like a model with a Cathode Ray Tube.

30" Dell has lag just under 30ms. The price is well over 30ms, tho. The un-obtainable 20" NEC 20WMGX2 is just over 30ms. Both are IPS.

The 24" NEC LCD2470WNX PVA unit averages around 33ms without interpolation, and maybe the best available compromise.

But if you like the 6-bit TN HannsG HG-281DJB, then stop poking around here, we'll only depress you.

 

[celwin]

No, a good LCD does not exist. Stop looking.

Low lag, great color, awesome blacks. You might like a model with a Cathode Ray Tube.

30" Dell has lag just under 30ms. The price is well over 30ms, tho. The un-obtainable 20" NEC 20WMGX2 is just over 30ms. Both are IPS.

The 24" NEC LCD2470WNX PVA unit averages around 33ms without interpolation, and maybe the best available compromise.

But if you like the 6-bit TN HannsG HG-281DJB, then stop poking around here, we'll only depress you.

I agree. This is the reason I placed my LCD back into storage and went back to my Sony 21" Triniton. Heaven. Once LCDs begin looking like CRTs, I'll be first in line. Until then, NO thank you.

 

[jratzo]

I'm a huge fan of all of the Dell Ultra Sharps. I have a 2407 now and love it

 

[E.T]

I have been trying to find one, but I can't. Is there a VA panel with good blacks, good looking colors, and low input lag (less than 30ms)?
I would like 1900x1200

If you can find it Lenovo ThinkVision L220x might fill the bill.
Not much reviews from it but good results in those and what I heard in one forum professionals have liked its colours.
http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=Thinkvision&thread.id=2
http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9056059&pageNumber=2
What one user tested its average lag is 29ms, varying from 15ms to 47ms (only three of 18 measures above 32ms) which is rather good for VA.
He also said its black was equally good in dark room as blacks of some unknown/cheap brand 24" VA (he had bought from one discount) in normal moderate lightning...
Needless to say that he ended to keeping 2" smaller and ~150€/220usd more expensive Lenovo and selling the other.

Once LCDs begin looking like CRTs, I'll be first in line. Until then, NO thank you.

Hope you have infinite patience because universe probably experiences "heat death" (eventually all matter, even atoms decay/disintegrate) before that.
It's exactly that LCD (with its requirements) which is the problem!

But if you like the 6-bit TN HannsG HG-281DJB, then stop poking around here, we'll only depress you.

And make you end up as similar cynic.

 

[TheRapture]

I agree. This is the reason I placed my LCD back into storage and went back to my Sony 21" Triniton. Heaven. Once LCDs begin looking like CRTs, I'll be first in line. Until then, NO thank you.

LCD's will never look like a CRT. And if you can't find a decent lcd with all these choices, I feel sorry for you, you have got to be a picky, snotty mofo

Me, I am quite happy with my 37" Westy....crt's can suck my left nut, they are hot, overweight pigs.

 

[Syntax]

wait for LED grid backlighting (with the turn-an-LED-off technology) or OLCD, then you'll get true black, for now, CRTs still work... right?

 

[thefewtheproud]

I have been very happy with my 2007wfp. It has pretty sweet performance!

 

[Dunan]

The Soyo 24" I bought would be great - you know, if I could find one without any panel defects. The OSD kinda sucks but once you get it set up it has great colors, contrast, P-MVA panel, 16:10 or 4:3 scaling (no 1:1 pixel mode or 16:9 mode), no lag that I could discern (played TF2, CoD4, Crysis, and Halo3), and that Soyo prestige. Since you buy them in B&M officemax though, you can just keep swapping until you get a perfect panel. Supposedly the newer models don't fry in a week anymore.

As for blacks and contrast, I put up those LCD test images with the squares, and I could see all of the blacks and all but the last 2 of the whites. And it was still blindingly bright.

It's not for everyone but it's $300 this week at officemax and you can bring it back within 14 days.

these are not good things at all

 

[crewzen]

If you want everything to be perfect use a 22" or 24" crt. If you can stand not quite perfect then you could use the Hanns G 28". I use both a large crt and a Hanns G and can notice a little difference, but I am not a perfectionest. I am not the best gammer in the world either. In fact I get moiderd a lot. But I enjoy both monitors.

The Hanns G for the price is hard to beat. I have no bad pixcels or anything. I have not yet calibrated my Hanns G yet. But like I said I like both monitors.


If I had all the time in the world I would wait for Organic pannels to be perfected but since I have MS and a heart problem I just want to enjoy what I have. Have fun with what ever you get.

 

[Dunan]

LCD's will never look like a CRT. And if you can't find a decent lcd with all these choices, I feel sorry for you, you have got to be a picky, snotty mofo

Me, I am quite happy with my 37" Westy....crt's can suck my left nut, they are hot, overweight pigs.

it has nothing to do with being a pick snobby mofo and if you think that posting---> is going to let you off the look in not looking like an ass then think again

crt's have a better picture, bottom line. NO lag, NO response time issues, TRUE black, what more could you ask for? its just plain BETTER, and just because ppl choose to stay with something better DOES NOT make them snobby. picky, sure, why willingly take something inferior? thats like taking an AMD chip right now over a core2 when the core2 performs better and is better bang for the buck, which is exactly what a crt is to an lcd.

 

[E.T]

wait for LED grid backlighting (with the turn-an-LED-off technology) or OLCD, then you'll get true black

Now why everyone are so fond of retaining those slow crappy liquid crystals which are the root of all current problems?
Black wouldn't be black untill backlight brightness of every pixel would be controlled individually (besides polarizing filters and liquid crystals themselves mean that most of the energy will be wasted) and that doesn't remove horribly slow response time of "mechanical era" liquid crystals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display

 

[Dunan]

No, a good LCD does not exist. Stop looking.

Low lag, great color, awesome blacks. You might like a model with a Cathode Ray Tube.

30" Dell has lag just under 30ms. The price is well over 30ms, tho. The un-obtainable 20" NEC 20WMGX2 is just over 30ms. Both are IPS.

The 24" NEC LCD2470WNX PVA unit averages around 33ms without interpolation, and maybe the best available compromise.

But if you like the 6-bit TN HannsG HG-281DJB, then stop poking around here, we'll only depress you.

I agree. This is the reason I placed my LCD back into storage and went back to my Sony 21" Triniton. Heaven. Once LCDs begin looking like CRTs, I'll be first in line. Until then, NO thank you.

in my first ever defense of an LCDi have to say that the NEC2490WUXi panel is the closest i've seen to crt in terms of picture, even black levels.
i hate LCD technology with a passion (sig) but this particular panel is a real eye opener, and would recommend it highly.
the deal is though, in order to get it to awesome picture levels, you have to use the spectraview software made for the panel. it makes a huge difference.
now its NOT a gaming monitor by any stretch but in terms of picture quality, i'd say it's as close to crt as i've seen to date.

0.02c

 

[Syntax]

Now why everyone are so fond of retaining those slow crappy liquid crystals which are the root of all current problems?
Black wouldn't be black untill backlight brightness of every pixel would be controlled individually (besides polarizing filters and liquid crystals themselves mean that most of the energy will be wasted) and that doesn't remove horribly slow response time of "mechanical era" liquid crystals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-conduction_electron-emitter_display

Well, with some monitors now running with very low responce time, I'd be surprised to have any problems with image distortion. If you had probelms with LCDs 2 years ago, understandable, but the technology has changed quite a bit in recent years, so I'd give them another try. Your CRTs only have a few years left, then they're gone for good, so get used to it. While on paper, they are substantialy slower in response, in real life you can't notice anymore. LED grid backlights will help attain true black as the monitor WILL have the power to turn off individual sectors.

As for SED displays, I hope you have a good screen saver.

 

[Ikasu]

SED is dead guys...Don't expect anything. FED and OLED will be the true flat panel monitors. LCD is just a stepping stone, a transition if you will to real quality flat panels that are a true rival to CRT's, and surpass them as well. FED is capable of a 240hz refresh rate, personally, I'm nabbing a fw900 until FED comes out around 2010/2011.

 

[Kaldskryke]

SED is dead guys...Don't expect anything. FED and OLED will be the true flat panel monitors. LCD is just a stepping stone, a transition if you will to real quality flat panels that are a true rival to CRT's, and surpass them as well. FED is capable of a 240hz refresh rate, personally, I'm nabbing a fw900 until FED comes out around 2010/2011.

Are you so sure? Canon recently announced they planned to mass produce SED panels using their own technology (not Nano Proprietary's ). Sure, given SED's track record it's not super promising, but I wouldn't call it dead until nobody plans to make it.

 

[TheRapture]

it has nothing to do with being a pick snobby mofo and if you think that posting---> is going to let you off the look in not looking like an ass then think again

crt's have a better picture, bottom line. NO lag, NO response time issues, TRUE black, what more could you ask for? its just plain BETTER, and just because ppl choose to stay with something better DOES NOT make them snobby. picky, sure, why willingly take something inferior? thats like taking an AMD chip right now over a core2 when the core2 performs better and is better bang for the buck, which is exactly what a crt is to an lcd.

If the shoe fits.....

And yes, CRT quality is not the issue. LCD's are pretty decent if you pick a "good" model that meets YOUR needs. CRT's are heavy, hot, and plain old BIG. For some, that is a major drawback, me included. I don't make blanket statements such as you, that one is better than the other. For YOU, a CRT might be better, for ME, and many others, it isn't. Period. And as far as "better picture" a good LCD at NATIVE resolution smokes the best CRT out there in the "crispness" of text department. LCD's are easier to read for most people, don't suffer from flicker, and have ZERO fuzziness on small fonts. Deal with it.

And if you can't discuss without getting offended, than yeah, I think you are a bit snotty and picky....

 

[E.T]

Well, with some monitors now running with very low responce time

Response times of ads don't have much commong with reality.
This kind ghosting surely cause some blurring:
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=245&p1=2334&ma2=38&mo2=259&p2=2453&ph=9 (game rendering, worst results)
But hey, maybe we can call it as "Hardware Accelerated Full Screen Motion Blur" and pay extra from it!

LED grid backlights will help attain true black as the monitor WILL have the power to turn off individual sectors.

Same old cheat as dynamic contrast but now it would work when dark and light areas are far away from each others instead of separate frames.

As for SED displays, I hope you have a good screen saver.

Just like CRTs of their last decade?
Now why SEDs would be more prone for that when they use same picture producing system!

SED is dead guys...Don't expect anything.

Only until lawyers and Nano Scheisse are "put back into row".
You know, industrial and technological revolution started/happened during time when patents weren't much "respected"... so would be good thing to have patents expire if their owner isn't going to do anything concretic with them. (can only shudder at what shitty technology we would have if patents had been respected this much in the past)

 

[Gorankar]

You can always do what I am. A quality crt for games and a s-ips based lcd for almost everything else.

I have a large desk. If you don't forget I said anything.