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Patriot

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And by diversifying I mean stop folding unless they get their heads out of their asses.

I have been involved in WCG and BOINC in the past and I am slowly pointing all of my cpu resources that way and I have a rather large arsenal :D.

Project selection suggestions are welcome. Currently I am just doing Rosetta@home.
I do have a pair of K10s that will be pointed to GPU projects and f@h is not ruled out for that entirely.

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I just have my single desktop machine running. On the dual 560Ti cards I run GPUGRID. On my 2600K I have 6 instances of WCG running. My display is hooked up to the IGP which I don't use otherwise. I'm also running WUProp. This setup leaves my computer usable. Task Manager shows around 90% CPU usage.
 
Welcome to the Dark Side, we have cookies. And cake!
 
jojo69 said:
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If they completely redo the current smp system.... I might reconsider... but VJ has made it abundantly clear he cares not for cpu compute.
 
ChelseaOilman, have you tried running anything on that IGP? Which one is it? It may be able to run, Einstein, Collatz, or SETI.....

Patriot, are you looking just BIO/Medical/Humanitarian or up for anything?
 
I have been reading your thread on the matter... I prefer BIO/Medical
 
I actually did the same thing two days ago. The bigadv issue didn't even effect me however I thought I would check out the BOINC world. Currently running rosetta, wcg, and wuprop. Still have more research to do but I'm enjoying it so far.
 
Right now, I'm referring people to WCG, Rosetta, POEM, Docking, and SIMAP because they are mostly Protein projects. (WCG has other projects and doesn't currently have a protein project) GPUGrid.net if you have nVidia GPU's to use. WCG, Rosetta, POEM, GPUGrid have active forums and responses from admin. So these would be better for new contributors to get their feet wet.

I also recommend adding WUProp because it runs alongside other projects without interruption. (it is Non-CPU intensive)

There are still other nice ones out there. It just really depends on where you want your good feelings to come from.

We have a few threads addressing projects that can be helpful to many.
BOINC in general: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1783464
DC-Vault that our team competes in: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1620596
DIMES is another non-CPU intensive app that can run alongside pretty much any project and has its own client.: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1783466
Complete list of projects: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1801908
 
This BOINC thing-a-mah-jig sounds pretty good. However, I would like to know more about the BIONIC project.
 
Pocatello said:
This BOINC thing-a-mah-jig sounds pretty good. However, I would like to know more about the BIONIC project.
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BOINC is an umbrella project...
One client to rule them all.

You can control multiple systems from a central hub. :)
Control what projects go where...its pretty slick.

Running Rosetta and Poem currently.
I have RNA World turned on but no work there currently.
 
Patriot said:
If they completely redo the current smp system.... I might reconsider... but VJ has made it abundantly clear he cares not for cpu compute.
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No, he is more interested in whoring out his project to companies and could not give a rats ass about individual donors.
 
Patriot said:
BOINC is an umbrella client...
One client to rule them all.

You can control multiple systems from a central hub. :)
Control what projects go where...its pretty slick.

Running Rosetta and Poem currently.
I have RNA World turned on but no work there currently.
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I fixed that for you. BOINC isn't a project. It is just a manager for the various project apps. :D
 
TBH, I can' wait to fold on my smartphone. I can go from barely making a day on a charge to being attached to the wall. That, will be fucking awesome :)
 
I know people are upset about the coming changes for BA starting in February. How has VJ pimped out FaH to corps?
 
Emmanon said:
To who and why?
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Anyone who has compute that will listen.
Because he is losing regular folders due to mismanagement of the project.

You get one corp and wala 30k cpus at your disposal ...then you don't have to worry about losing 15k peasants who won't do your bidding without you telling them what your plans are.

Le shrug... He is a scientist ... cares not about the how he gets compute... would rather not have to deal with single donors who are involved in the project... he just wants to get his research done.

He let it slip that he would rather not have a DC project and have his own super computer ... He really doesn't care about the donors. Which frankly shouldn't be a surprise with the way Folders have been treated over the years.

F@H has produced some tremendous scientific output over the years and that is the sole reason I have stayed involved. However, I am tired of being told that I would not use your help if the treasury had anything in it... and you should be grateful that we allow you to participate in giving us your resources without questioning the direction and secret road-map of the project.

I think we should stop ignoring the rest of the DC community and point our cpus elsewhere. If VJ wants to go to the corporations make him.
 
I wonder why they don't just revisit BOINC. I honestly don't know why it wouldn't fit their needs. They would get a lot more contributors with it. I know they looked into it years ago, but what exactly doesn't work for them?
 
Gilthanis said:
I wonder why they don't just revisit BOINC. I honestly don't know why it wouldn't fit their needs. They would get a lot more contributors with it. I know they looked into it years ago, but what exactly doesn't work for them?
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People would see other needy projects who are currently only folding.:D
Choice...they are afraid of it....
 
Patriot said:
People would see other needy projects who are currently only folding.:D
Choice...they are afraid of it....
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That sounds logical, but there are even more BOINC users than FAH and one of the largest complaints is lack of BIO projects with GPU capabilities. I think they would find more coming than going.... The large appeal is the clients versatility and simplicity. It would really be a great boon for them if they did switch.
 
Gilthanis said:
That sounds logical, but there are even more BOINC users than FAH and one of the largest complaints is lack of BIO projects with GPU capabilities. I think they would find more coming than going.... The large appeal is the clients versatility and simplicity. It would really be a great boon for them if they did switch.
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I guess it comes down to work... and accepting donor advice.
 
Emmanon said:
Does he pay the corps for their CPU time or are they donating:confused:
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No he is broke... if he had cash he said he would build his own supercomputer and then not have to worry about begging that is below him...:rolleyes:
 
The good thing about this is there are lots of other DC projects that need our cores. Plenty of work to go around.
 
We need to form a no-folding Coalition. People have talked about a strike. VJ probably knows we aren't united. Most of us are in teams, silos if you will. There are too many Boinc projects to keep us from fragmenting into Boinc project teams. If the coalition just has one common bond, not donating resources to VJ, it would work. If we cut VJ off abruptly he'd have to take us seriously.

I can't prove this, but in VJ's long-term plans, one goal is to throw us overboard. Why would he bite the had that feeds him? By definition, if we're an indispensable resource, he wouldn't treat us like a dispensable resource; unless we were to him. Is this idea a viable option?
 
FAH donors have already shown that we are a renewable resource to PG. While many may leave for whatever reason, there are always more just signing up who don't realize a lot of what goes on and history repeats itself on the next generation of folders. As long as the incoming FLOPS are greater than the outgoing FLOPS, it will be business as usual.

People also get to the "I don't care to donate to this project anymore and there are other worthy projects out there to do" stage far before the "I will burn this fucker to the ground if it's the last thing I do" stage. That is a good and productive thing, as this thread shows.;)
 
I take your point. However, if we could get the top five folding teams to split, VJ would take a massive hit. The top five teams have contributed 31.1% of all F@H points. I'm willing to bet most of the BA folders are part of these teams. I wonder what VJ would do, if his BA contribuations went in the toilet? The advanced WUs are high-priority time sensitive experiments.
 
BA may be time-sensitive and cutting-edge, but I have to think that a large part of their decision to end BA in a year is that it doesn't make up a large percentage of the total work they do, and the drama it caused was disproportionate to the usefulness of the results. There's only been something like 10 BA projects total out of hundreds of new projects over the last 4 years, and I believe Kasson has run all of them. It's possible the many other researchers who use FAH were unhappy with how much attention BA got, and that BA might have indirectly hampered their work. I would imagine that some of them would love for BA-class machines to chip in on regular SMP work.
 
I thought that was part of the reason for changing the BA requirements. A higher core count will force a lot of 4p rigs to fold regular x86 units. Also, weren't a few BA projects testing or validating new and more efficient protein modeling methods. Maybe, the requirement change was made to mollify other researchers?

I seem to remember a blog post where VJ said he used Google's servers to validate BA results. I'm speculating that VJ maybe lining up big corporate sponsors, but they wanted to see proof concept before committing their resources. I know someone will correct me, if I got any of this wrong:rolleyes:
 
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