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If you are trying to collect disability payments for a car accident, be prepared to have your computer searched to see how much time you spend on Facebook. Wait. What?!?

A Canadian man seeking disability payments will have his computer's hard disk drive analyzed to see how much time he spends visiting the Facebook Web site.
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I would imagine if you're on disability then you will be doing a lot of facebooking. Just a guess.
 
Yeah, because going on facebook is the same as working... Seriously?
 
In Cranbrook, British Columbia, Supreme Court Judge Thomas Melnick agreed with a defense motion to examine the computer activities of Brendon Bishop, who says he is too fatigued to work after a July 2005 car accident.
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He's claiming that he's too fatigued to work... hence if he's on FB then obviously he's not too fatigued to sit in front of a computer or lay down or stand up.
 
No. Going to Facebook only disables him further. They can't send him payments forever.
 
Wshmaster0 said:
He's claiming that he's too fatigued to work... hence if he's on FB then obviously he's not too fatigued to sit in front of a computer or lay down or stand up.
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So what should he do at home? watch porn and play games all day long? oh wait i bet a lot of people are doing it already :D
 
Wshmaster0 said:
He's claiming that he's too fatigued to work... hence if he's on FB then obviously he's not too fatigued to sit in front of a computer or lay down or stand up.
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I'm sure he'd love to work from his bed, if he could find a job willing to provide that right.

Fact is, if you're too tired to spend 8 hours at work, and 1-2 hours in a car every day, you can still rack up 8 hours of mindless surfing on a laptop, in bed, 10 steps away from your bathroom and 2m from the kitchen.

Case in point: when I had mono. Working in a kitchen was nigh impossible, but I could easily have sat in bed designing menus all day. Was I allowed to do that? No. So, I worked it through, knowing it was a 1-2 month thing. If that fatigue was a life-long condition... Well, fuck that. I've never felt to shitty in my entire life.
 
This case is a farce.
How much time he spends on Facebook is more likely to indicate that he cant do much else.
If he spends a small amount of time on Facebook, it indicates nothing relevant.
If he is genuine in his claim, I would return the compliment by suing for malicious prosecution.
 
The Canadian law that allows this equals FAIL. Government in it's finest, bloated form...I guess they never heard of Secure Erase! :rolleyes:
 
damnt ricky

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I wonder how many hours he has to spend on Facebook each day to lose disability payments... I imagine they have to pull up all the scientific research to show how many hours the typical disabled person can spend on Facebook. OH WAIT THERE IS NONE.

A lawyer with half a brain would have this shit thrown out the window in an hour.
 
Depending what disability he filed for, this checkup might have been in order. Plenty of people claim they can't do jack and then go about their regular lives, leeching off the system.

Then there are those who really are disabled and are spending their time on Facebook and such losing their money because they spent a few minutes keeping in touch with the world they are unable to reach.

Over here he'd get a few physical exams, a mental one and then they'd see if he was a leech or not.
 
If this guy is someone that does physical labor, then checking his facebook usage probably has zero merit.

If this guy is someone who sits at a desk all day, then checking his facebook usage may or may not have merit. I guess the argument is if he can sit at his computer at home all day and surf internet, then he can sit at his work desk all day and do work.

I have a feeling there's a piece of information missing from this article. Specifically, WHY WOULD THE DEFENSE SPECIFICALLY TARGET THIS MAN'S FACEBOOK USAGE, AND NOT GENERAL INTERNET OR COMPUTER USAGE? I think there's a safe bet that something led the defense to go after this particular info. Maybe his employer has caught him surfing net or using facebook at work when the company policy does not allow him too?

All I'm saying is this article is short, and is possibly leaving out key info that could make it a sensationalistic headline...
 
Nenu said:
This case is a farce.
How much time he spends on Facebook is more likely to indicate that he cant do much else.
If he spends a small amount of time on Facebook, it indicates nothing relevant.
If he is genuine in his claim, I would return the compliment by suing for malicious prosecution.
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Actually that isn't true. If he is claiming that he can't do anything then surfing the internet is something. Spending a lot of time online doesn't mean that you can't do anything else, it meanst that you don't WANT to do anything else. There is a difference.

We don't know all the facts so it is hard to so for sure one way or another. But I can see this being valid arguement on their end. There are many people that try to pull stuff like that after an accident. Claim pain is worse than it really is, or claim problems they don't have, just to get "free money".

If he is too fatigued to do ANY type of work period then he should be too fatigued to go online or do anything.

When it comes to disability from chronic fatigue syndrome the insurance company is going to make sure they are fully satisfied that you truely are disabled and not just saying it. Hell anyone could claim they are too fatigued to work every again. They have test that they use to see if you truely are suffering as you say. Being tired doesn't count, you have to be in physical pain (in your joints and muscles) from simple activies, you have to get headaches, you have to not be able to concentrate or have trouble remembing stuff, amoung other things. Your also going to more than likely have fibromyalgia also.
 
The amount of time he spends on Facebook would only solidify the claim that he's disabled in some way, wouldn't it?
 
I guess it might be relevant if his job had something to do with working on the computer. Unfortunately it's yet another article that doesn't provide enough information to comment on it one way or another.

Not sure about Canadian laws.. Just glad I don't have Social Security trying to toss me off the rolls for spending too much time on [H]. :D
 
UrielDagda said:
I guess it might be relevant if his job had something to do with working on the computer. Unfortunately it's yet another article that doesn't provide enough information to comment on it one way or another.

Not sure about Canadian laws.. Just glad I don't have Social Security trying to toss me off the rolls for spending too much time on [H]. :D
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You can get a job in another field. If you get laid off from one place do you instantly say that you can never work again because of it? Problem is that he isn't claiming he couldn't do his job. He is claiming he is suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and can't do any job. They are just trying to valid his claim.

This would be no different than him claiming that he couldn't walk and them wanting medical proof that he couldn't stand. Not just him saying that he couldn't. If while trying to get medical proof they catch you in running a race, well they kinda have the proof they need that you can infact walk.
 
You pretty have much have to lie and deceive to get workmans comp, disability, etc, even if you're entirely legit. They WILL find some little excuse to deny you unless you cover all your bases.

As far as this guy goes. This is pretty much BS. Sitting on Facebook isn't exactly a demanding task. You could log into Facebook, then spend the rest of your day passed out, unable to close your browser.
 
Exavior said:
You can get a job in another field. If you get laid off from one place do you instantly say that you can never work again because of it? Problem is that he isn't claiming he couldn't do his job. He is claiming he is suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and can't do any job. They are just trying to valid his claim.

This would be no different than him claiming that he couldn't walk and them wanting medical proof that he couldn't stand. Not just him saying that he couldn't. If while trying to get medical proof they catch you in running a race, well they kinda have the proof they need that you can infact walk.
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Yeah, the article really doesn't say much. Depends on if his former job was something like construction, or a desk job doing data entry.

Of course the article might be misleading, he could have been using Facebook to arrange tons of recreational activities outside of his home that he was caught doing, and the logs would just be the nail in his coffin. :D

Really, though, the whole thing sounds kinda odd. I'm not sure why getting into a car accident would make you tired for the rest of your life. That probably throws up a lot of red flags right there.
 
Because disabled people should do nothing all day, everyday, until they are not disabled anymore.
 
Well, I mean - tell me if you think I'm wrong for this - but what the hell else is a disabled person gonna do? A disabled guy sitting at home on Facebook is a little bit better than, say, a disabled guy going with the guys to play football or something.

What are they thinking? It doesn't take a lot of effort to sit on your ass and type. Or, if he's on a laptop - to LAY there and type.
 
The workman's compensation board in BC will do anything to not pay you money.
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From what I gather from the article it's not WorkSafeBC.but I.C.B.C that's trying to stop this ridiculous claim. Too many people try to take advantage of I.C.B.C. with bogus claims like this causing our insurance rates to rise, nails his balls to the wall.
 
UrielDagda said:
Yeah, the article really doesn't say much. Depends on if his former job was something like construction, or a desk job doing data entry.

Of course the article might be misleading, he could have been using Facebook to arrange tons of recreational activities outside of his home that he was caught doing, and the logs would just be the nail in his coffin. :D

Really, though, the whole thing sounds kinda odd. I'm not sure why getting into a car accident would make you tired for the rest of your life. That probably throws up a lot of red flags right there.
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The thing is though that being tired doesn't qualify you for disablity. Being tired and being fatiqued are two different things. Go run 2 miles, depending on what shape you are in, you might feel pain in your muscles, feel wiped out, but you aren't going to be feeling like you need to go to sleep. You feel fatigued after the run not tired. That is what most people post here seem to be overlooking. This guy isn't claiming he is tired and wants to sleep. He is claiming he has a condition where if real would cause walking from the living room to the kitchen to make you feel like your just ran 8 miles. Where doing something as simple as typing on the computer for 30 minutes could make you feel like you have been swinging a 10 lb sledge hammer for 10 hours straight. Typing would cause his hands and arms to hurt, his mucles to ache horribly. He wouldn't be able to do it more than a short period of time before the pain would consume him. That is why they are checking this. If he can be online for 4 or 5 hours straight then he can't be in too much pain from using his hands and arms.

SixtyWattMan said:
Because disabled people should do nothing all day, everyday, until they are not disabled anymore.
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stop!theradio said:
Well, I mean - tell me if you think I'm wrong for this - but what the hell else is a disabled person gonna do? A disabled guy sitting at home on Facebook is a little bit better than, say, a disabled guy going with the guys to play football or something.

What are they thinking? It doesn't take a lot of effort to sit on your ass and type. Or, if he's on a laptop - to LAY there and type.
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my reply to UrielDagda answers both of you guys also. He is claiming he as a condition that he had would prevent him from typeing or using the computer for more than a short period before being in a lot of pain and make it hard for him to use his arms.



Don't get me wrong from my replies in this thread. I think if somebody is injuried they should be given something for it. However I think that before every person that claims to have a problem is just handed money that they should first check to see if the person actually has that condition. It just so happens that in this case his online surfing habbits can help show if she shows signs of having the problem he claims to have or not. I think too many people are overlooking his claim of what TYPE of disability he is claiming and just assuming they are looking at his surfing habbits to screw him over because a person with any disablity shouldn't be online. I could be wrong, but I am assuming it is only because of the type of disability he is claiming that they are looking at his surfing habbits and I am assuming they have a valid reason for wanting to look into it. Most likely he is spending what they feel might be a little (or a lot) more that a person which is issues should be able to withstand.
 
Before somebody calls me on my exmaples. Let me add that my above example are way off, so don't take them at face value but as an explation that what should be a simple thing such as walking a short distance or doing a little bit of typeing would wear them out in the same manor as doing something that should be far more strenuous.
 
Exavior said:
The thing is though that being tired doesn't qualify you for disablity. Being tired and being fatiqued are two different things. Go run 2 miles, depending on what shape you are in, you might feel pain in your muscles, feel wiped out, but you aren't going to be feeling like you need to go to sleep. You feel fatigued after the run not tired. That is what most people post here seem to be overlooking. This guy isn't claiming he is tired and wants to sleep. He is claiming he has a condition where if real would cause walking from the living room to the kitchen to make you feel like your just ran 8 miles. Where doing something as simple as typing on the computer for 30 minutes could make you feel like you have been swinging a 10 lb sledge hammer for 10 hours straight. Typing would cause his hands and arms to hurt, his mucles to ache horribly. He wouldn't be able to do it more than a short period of time before the pain would consume him. That is why they are checking this. If he can be online for 4 or 5 hours straight then he can't be in too much pain from using his hands and arms.





my reply to UrielDagda answers both of you guys also. He is claiming he as a condition that he had would prevent him from typeing or using the computer for more than a short period before being in a lot of pain and make it hard for him to use his arms.



Don't get me wrong from my replies in this thread. I think if somebody is injuried they should be given something for it. However I think that before every person that claims to have a problem is just handed money that they should first check to see if the person actually has that condition. It just so happens that in this case his online surfing habbits can help show if she shows signs of having the problem he claims to have or not. I think too many people are overlooking his claim of what TYPE of disability he is claiming and just assuming they are looking at his surfing habbits to screw him over because a person with any disablity shouldn't be online. I could be wrong, but I am assuming it is only because of the type of disability he is claiming that they are looking at his surfing habbits and I am assuming they have a valid reason for wanting to look into it. Most likely he is spending what they feel might be a little (or a lot) more that a person which is issues should be able to withstand

Before somebody calls me on my exmaples. Let me add that my above example are way off, so don't take them at face value but as an explation that what should be a simple thing such as walking a short distance or doing a little bit of typeing would wear them out in the same manor as doing something that should be far more strenuous.
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I'm glad to see that someone here has a clue about fatigue.

It sure seems like the majority of people have no idea what it's like to live with chronic fatigue or worse yet, fibromyalgia. They think fatigue = just being tired, yeah, tired like you've just run a marathon...all the time. My girl has fibro, some days she can barely get out of bed, it's also very painful, and for the most part it's a constant thing, but it's not "recognized" as a disability in the US (though it is in some countries), even though no company will keep someone who can't function for more than a few hours at a time, and then not on a regular schedule.:mad: There are good & bad days & .
Those who know nothing about the condition like to talk like it's nothing serious, but you can be sure that if they developed it, they'd be screaming for disability.

Sure, this guy could be a faker, but that article is so vague you can't even tell why he's fatigued, or if he's been diagnosed with an ailment or anything. I realize you were explaining the severity of the claimed condition by, "He is claiming he as a condition that he had would prevent him from typeing or using the computer for more than a short period before being in a lot of pain and make it hard for him to use his arms.", but defining what "a short amount of time" is different for each person. My girl spends a fair amount of time online, but it's not constant, and often even that is too much for her to tolerate, but it's one of the few things she can do that doesn't take a huge amount of energy. Does the fact that she can do stuff online (which obviously takes less energy than most jobs mean she's not disabled? She says she wouldn't wish the condtion on her worst enemy. Typing on the internet doesn't tend to be constant like typing up documents at work, you can stop whenever you need. I wonder just how accurate their "study" will be, it's highly unlikely that he'd be typing constantly the entire time he's logged in, but we all know how they like to skew reality to their advantage. Men make up a small % of people with the condition, but I just met one of those few yesterday.

Also, the article doesn't says if he suffered a brain injury in the auto accident, I know first hand that a TBI can cause fatigue, it's been over 6 years & I still have days when it literally takes too much energy to roll over and go back to sleep, and other days are fine, it's the same with CFS & FM, it robs you of energy to do things that you're otherwise physically able to do.

I believe that SixtyWattMan was being sarcastic and just forgot the rolleyes, but the point made was right on the mark.

About you're examples, most don't sound all that exaggerated, but I don't agree with the part about "If he can be online for 4 or 5 hours straight then he can't be in too much pain from using his hands and arms", because it can vary each day, and it may not be constant typing. I'm glad to see you have a pretty good grasp of the subject.

People need to do a little research on subjects before blindly throwing out comments & making total asses of themselves.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fibromyalgia/DS00079/METHOD=print

Read the "introduction" section of this study:
http://www.ptjournal.org/cgi/content/full/86/11/1479

A study of pain in people with FM:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073056.htm

There's a lot more info to be found if you look.
 
Exavior said:
The thing is though that being tired doesn't qualify you for disablity. Being tired and being fatiqued are two different things. Go run 2 miles, depending on what shape you are in, you might feel pain in your muscles, feel wiped out, but you aren't going to be feeling like you need to go to sleep. You feel fatigued after the run not tired. That is what most people post here seem to be overlooking. This guy isn't claiming he is tired and wants to sleep. He is claiming he has a condition where if real would cause walking from the living room to the kitchen to make you feel like your just ran 8 miles. Where doing something as simple as typing on the computer for 30 minutes could make you feel like you have been swinging a 10 lb sledge hammer for 10 hours straight. Typing would cause his hands and arms to hurt, his mucles to ache horribly. He wouldn't be able to do it more than a short period of time before the pain would consume him. That is why they are checking this. If he can be online for 4 or 5 hours straight then he can't be in too much pain from using his hands and arms.





my reply to UrielDagda answers both of you guys also. He is claiming he as a condition that he had would prevent him from typeing or using the computer for more than a short period before being in a lot of pain and make it hard for him to use his arms.



Don't get me wrong from my replies in this thread. I think if somebody is injuried they should be given something for it. However I think that before every person that claims to have a problem is just handed money that they should first check to see if the person actually has that condition. It just so happens that in this case his online surfing habbits can help show if she shows signs of having the problem he claims to have or not. I think too many people are overlooking his claim of what TYPE of disability he is claiming and just assuming they are looking at his surfing habbits to screw him over because a person with any disablity shouldn't be online. I could be wrong, but I am assuming it is only because of the type of disability he is claiming that they are looking at his surfing habbits and I am assuming they have a valid reason for wanting to look into it. Most likely he is spending what they feel might be a little (or a lot) more that a person which is issues should be able to withstand.
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mynamehere said:
I'm glad to see that someone here has a clue about fatigue.

It sure seems like the majority of people have no idea what it's like to live with chronic fatigue or worse yet, fibromyalgia. They think fatigue = just being tired, yeah, tired like you've just run a marathon...all the time. My girl has fibro, some days she can barely get out of bed, it's also very painful, and for the most part it's a constant thing, but it's not "recognized" as a disability in the US (though it is in some countries), even though no company will keep someone who can't function for more than a few hours at a time, and then not on a regular schedule.:mad: There are good & bad days & .
Those who know nothing about the condition like to talk like it's nothing serious, but you can be sure that if they developed it, they'd be screaming for disability.

Sure, this guy could be a faker, but that article is so vague you can't even tell why he's fatigued, or if he's been diagnosed with an ailment or anything. I realize you were explaining the severity of the claimed condition by, "He is claiming he as a condition that he had would prevent him from typeing or using the computer for more than a short period before being in a lot of pain and make it hard for him to use his arms.", but defining what "a short amount of time" is different for each person. My girl spends a fair amount of time online, but it's not constant, and often even that is too much for her to tolerate, but it's one of the few things she can do that doesn't take a huge amount of energy. Does the fact that she can do stuff online (which obviously takes less energy than most jobs mean she's not disabled? She says she wouldn't wish the condtion on her worst enemy. Typing on the internet doesn't tend to be constant like typing up documents at work, you can stop whenever you need. I wonder just how accurate their "study" will be, it's highly unlikely that he'd be typing constantly the entire time he's logged in, but we all know how they like to skew reality to their advantage. Men make up a small % of people with the condition, but I just met one of those few yesterday.

Also, the article doesn't says if he suffered a brain injury in the auto accident, I know first hand that a TBI can cause fatigue, it's been over 6 years & I still have days when it literally takes too much energy to roll over and go back to sleep, and other days are fine, it's the same with CFS & FM, it robs you of energy to do things that you're otherwise physically able to do.

I believe that SixtyWattMan was being sarcastic and just forgot the rolleyes, but the point made was right on the mark.

About you're examples, most don't sound all that exaggerated, but I don't agree with the part about "If he can be online for 4 or 5 hours straight then he can't be in too much pain from using his hands and arms", because it can vary each day, and it may not be constant typing. I'm glad to see you have a pretty good grasp of the subject.

People need to do a little research on subjects before blindly throwing out comments & making total asses of themselves.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fibromyalgia/DS00079/METHOD=print

Read the "introduction" section of this study:
http://www.ptjournal.org/cgi/content/full/86/11/1479

A study of pain in people with FM:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073056.htm

There's a lot more info to be found if you look.
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Fibromyalgia = people being sold on their ailments via advertisements... Oh I have all kinds of pain and fatigue, I just saw this commercial that told me to tell my doctor. Couldn't be my lack of sleep, or my sitting in front of a tv watching advertisements 30-40% of my time...

Made up, period. So many things can cause chronic fatigue, or general malaise. I am in no way a doctor, but I am in nursing school right now (I know I barely know anything). I always enjoy reading stuff about FM (using the abbreviation from above).
 
SixtyWattMan said:
Because disabled people should do nothing all day, everyday, until they are not disabled anymore.
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morkboy_wonder said:
Well said, sir, well said.
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I hope my sarcasm meter is off. I hope neither one of you two experience an life changing event that puts you on disability. There are so many wrong things in those statements. How about the simple fact is if they don't do anything then they can't rehabilitate but I am nothing to say anything more cause my rant will go on for pages.
 
SpeedSlayer said:
I hope my sarcasm meter is off. I hope neither one of you two experience an life changing event that puts you on disability. There are so many wrong things in those statements. How about the simple fact is if they don't do anything then they can't rehabilitate but I am nothing to say anything more cause my rant will go on for pages.
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Yep the problem there is your sarcasm meter.
 
Kazzanova said:
Fibromyalgia = people being sold on their ailments via advertisements... Oh I have all kinds of pain and fatigue, I just saw this commercial that told me to tell my doctor. Couldn't be my lack of sleep, or my sitting in front of a tv watching advertisements 30-40% of my time...

Made up, period...I am in no way a doctor...(I know I barely know anything).
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Wow. Just wow. I put in bold print the highlights of your last paragraph.

Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS) is NOT made up. You're right, you are in no way a doctor because you would know that FMS is real and backed by research done from the American College of Rheumatology as well as NUMEROUS other sources.

It's not only characterized by chronic fatigue but widespread pain in muscles, ligaments and tendons, but is not associated with joint deformities or inflammation. I am an exercise physiologist and I can tell you that it is one of the most difficult populations to work with because pain can radiate through the body at any particular time without warning.
 
Kazzanova said:
Fibromyalgia = people being sold on their ailments via advertisements... Oh I have all kinds of pain and fatigue, I just saw this commercial that told me to tell my doctor. Couldn't be my lack of sleep, or my sitting in front of a tv watching advertisements 30-40% of my time...

Made up, period. So many things can cause chronic fatigue, or general malaise. I am in no way a doctor, but I am in nursing school right now (I know I barely know anything). I always enjoy reading stuff about FM (using the abbreviation from above).
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I think you need a new major.

I really, really do.
 
Good. There are far too many scamming EI and Disability. I know I'm sick of paying for them.
 
mynamehere said:
I'm glad to see that someone here has a clue about fatigue.

It sure seems like the majority of people have no idea what it's like to live with chronic fatigue or worse yet, fibromyalgia. They think fatigue = just being tired, yeah, tired like you've just run a marathon...all the time. My girl has fibro, some days she can barely get out of bed, it's also very painful, and for the most part it's a constant thing, but it's not "recognized" as a disability in the US (though it is in some countries), even though no company will keep someone who can't function for more than a few hours at a time, and then not on a regular schedule.:mad: There are good & bad days & .
Those who know nothing about the condition like to talk like it's nothing serious, but you can be sure that if they developed it, they'd be screaming for disability.

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There's a lot more info to be found if you look.
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Thank you for posting your personal experience and for pointing out where my posting where flawed. I won't claim for a minute to have any real understand or knowledge about the topic. I just know that fatigue and sleepy aren't the same thing (something that I have felt many here didn't) so I did a quick look for fatigue disablity and found a page about CFS and formed the best understanding that I could from that page. I do understand that it would be better some day and worse on other and that every person would have a different limit. Although you did seem to understand that I was just try to explain the condition as opposed to saying if you have the condition you can't perform X for more than Y amount of time.


Kazzanova said:
Fibromyalgia = people being sold on their ailments via advertisements... Oh I have all kinds of pain and fatigue, I just saw this commercial that told me to tell my doctor. Couldn't be my lack of sleep, or my sitting in front of a tv watching advertisements 30-40% of my time...

Made up, period. So many things can cause chronic fatigue, or general malaise. I am in no way a doctor, but I am in nursing school right now (I know I barely know anything). I always enjoy reading stuff about FM (using the abbreviation from above).
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Yet another person to help prove my point about nurses. It is my personal opinion that 95% of nurses are dumb asses that should never be listen too. They feel that being a nurse is close enough to being a doctor and that they know everything about the medical field. More likely than not if you knew anything close to what a doctor knows, or where smart enough to learn what a doctor knows, you would be one.

Last nurse I delt with tried to tell me it is physically impossible to absorb metal, chemicals or any other substance through the skin. I guess she missed the introduction of all the great medical products like various types of patches that go on the skin as at least one example of how wrong she was.

Your seem to be about the same if you think a lack of sleep would cause you to feel worn out physically instead of sleepy. You also seem to be overlooking a lot of actual medical research that tells the opposite of what you believe.

Congrates on appearing partly retarded, I think you will make a great nurse.
 
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