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Der8auer dismantles embarrassing Nvidia interview claims

Wow, nvidia rep lying through his teeth like there is no tomorrow.

  1. First he says cards are not available in store because people are pre ordering them.
  2. Then that lie comes crumbing down when he is asked how can people pre-order. Turns out he doesn't know, meaning he made it up.
  3. Tries to defend his ignorance by stating that he didn't have to buy a GPU in a very long time (implying it is a benefit of his position)
  4. Then he forgets he said that and later claims he has to buy his GPUs like everyone else because there is no employee program for getting them cheaper.

What a complete shemozzle.
 
I wish this was a sane world, and NVidia would just take the L, and admit the new connector is garbage.
Design a new connector with bigger pins/wires, that isn't operating on the razors edge with no safety margin. There's no excuse for the richest company to continue pushing it at this point.
 
zerogg said:
I wish this was a sane world, and NVidia would just take the L, and admit the new connector is garbage.
Design a new connector with bigger pins/wires, that isn't operating on the razors edge with no safety margin. There's no excuse for the richest company to continue pushing it at this point.
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why fix what is not broken? This fatally flawed connector is a replacement for the robust 8pin pcie connector yes it takes more of them for todays high end gpus but so damn what? my mi50 uses 2 of them side by side and they are easy to manage and they would be even if it took 4 or 5 or even 6. Most of the melting issues would not be a thing if the damn gpu was not trying to draw all of its power over 1 single pair of 16 gauge wires that are only rated for i think it is 10 or 15 amps id have to look it up. But to deliver the power it is pulling over 2 pins would require 10 gauge wire or even 8 gauge a wire nearly 3x as thick! Nvidia screwed up in big ways the card does not regulate power and tries to pull as much as it can over a pair of wires it is a fatal design flaw that can not be fixed with just drivers. Power regulation to only deliver power equally over all the pins can be done with a special board that will always divide the power equally over the pins no matter what the gpu tries to do it would have to pull from the other pins or it would not get enough power. The thing is who knows how the gpu would react to that likely it would simply refuse to run under any sort of load. I have no personal desire to make such a board to test as i have ZERO intentions of going near these fire hazards i would not risk my motherboard and other hardware even if someone gave me one for free to try and come up with a solution to the problem.
These cards are a lost cause period
 
It's very evident now why Evga just threw in the towel (swapping to AMD at the time was never an option as their marketshare was too small). Nvidia never wants to accept the blame for any of its failures and treats their partners like dirt. Steve Jobs unofficially banning Apple from doing business with them back in the day makes total sense.

The representative should not have done that interview. He was throwing his partners and customers under the bus at every opportunity.
 
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zehoo said:
It's very evident now why Evga just threw in the towel (swapping to AMD at the time was never an option as their marketshare was too small). Nvidia never wants to accept the blame for any of its failures and treats their partners like dirt. Steve Jobs unofficially banning Apple from doing business with them back in the day makes total sense.

The representative should not have done that interview.
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He is literal nvidia alumni. He’s not some lowly rep. He’s a well versed company man with a long history at nvidia, who apparently thinks pc gamers are dumb.
 
Dreamerbydesign said:
He is literal nvidia alumni. He’s not some lowly rep. He’s a well versed company man with a long history at nvidia, who apparently thinks pc gamers are dumb.
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Nvidia has had that attitude for a couple decades now while all gpu companies were accused of cheating at the time gamers and reviewers did not just have evidence that nvidia was cheating they had solid proof as far as amd ati at the time goes evidence was limited. With nvidia it was quite obvious. I remember i had a nvidia gpu and a high end cad high res high refresh rate crt that told you when ever the resolution changed on screen. I ran some bench mark or another and the resolution changed to about 2 steps down i mean seriously who were they trying to fool with that bs?
 
Dreamerbydesign said:
He’s a well versed company man with a long history at nvidia, who apparently thinks pc gamers are dumb.
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Unfortunately the pandemic brought a lot of new PC gamers into the mix with little to no knowledge of how hardware works. This is why I believe you see an uptick in failures, not only with video cards, but with CPU's, PSU's, etc. Some people watch a few videos and think they're experts which is the new generation pretty much summed up in general.
 
Niner said:
Unfortunately the pandemic brought a lot of new PC gamers into the mix with little to no knowledge of how hardware works. This is why I believe you see an uptick in failures, not only with video cards, but with CPU's, PSU's, etc. Some people watch a few videos and think they're experts which is the new generation pretty much summed up in general.
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I agree with that.

I also think it’s the bad habits of people buying these junk cards. If more people would vote with their wallet nvidia would listen. They listen to money.
 
zehoo said:
Quite a lot of them are sadly, which is why the defence of "you plugged it in wrong" or "you bought cheap cables" is still hanging around. :dead:
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"cheap cables...." and "plugged it in wrong...." Seriously how dumb is that? You can not plug in modern pc power connectors wrong they click in to place and only fit in 1 way. Pre atx days sure you could plug in at cables backwards reversing the leads was um bad to say the least. But all atx style cables which the new standard is only go in 1 way and making contact should be enough to not you know melt cables. also this whole the bend is to tight is bs as well. Putting zip ties around them to bundle them should not cause issues we are not dealing with several 100 volts at 10s of amps here we are talking 12 volts at a max of 1k watts over all pins at least it should be spread over all pins. If lets say for a moment that some pins were not making connection at all then if the gpu was made properly the gpu should not function it should refuse to function not draw 50 amps over 2 wires that are only made to handle 15 amps. Yes i know technically it is over only the positive wire but that is just splitting hairs as you need a + - pair. The point is this if the gpu does not have access to power from all wire pairs it should fail to run. Or if nvidia was nice they would have the gpu fire up in a safe mode where it was only pulling enough power via the slot to boot the system and post a message that the gpu was not receiving power from the psu.
A gpu can run just on pcie power just not very well there is no real technical reason why even the 5090 can not run in a ultra low power post only mode running from the pcie slot. Even then they should not let the card boot to windows and just display a post message only.
I am shocked no gpus actually do this i have had bad pcie power cables before on non modular psus not my personal machines but customers who brought their non booting pc in for work i have a known good but evga with dead sata power cables the cables them selves were damaged. I use it to test pcs with similar problems. The psu is perfectly fine otherwise. It was bought by another customer in a amazon auction pallet of pc and other misc parts and rats had chewed through the sata power cables i just clean up the broken cables capped em off with heat shrink and use it for diag purposes.
 
Nividia's main job is to build a connector that is as dummy proof as you can make it to connect with out error.

Playing the blame game is 100% BS.
 
zerogg said:
I wish this was a sane world, and NVidia would just take the L, and admit the new connector is garbage.
Design a new connector with bigger pins/wires, that isn't operating on the razors edge with no safety margin. There's no excuse for the richest company to continue pushing it at this point.
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I don't think the connector is garbage, what's garbage is that they don't implement a way card level to control the current from being overloaded on a single pin.
 
M76 said:
Tries to defend his ignorance by stating that he didn't have to buy a GPU in a very long time (implying it is a benefit of his position)
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Reminds me of the whole "If you don't want always online Xboxs, buy an Xbox 360" debacle when Microsoft was debuting the Xbox One. Generally companies want to sell their products, and implying the customer doesn't need to buy them is some of the worst marketing you can come up with.
 
Dreamerbydesign said:
I also think it’s the bad habits of people buying these junk cards. If more people would vote with their wallet nvidia would listen. They listen to money.
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I was on board with that thought process for a while, and then I had the ability to buy a 5090 and I did. Bought a new PSU to go with it even though my old PSU was only 3 years old and more than capable of handling the new card, but didn't want an outlier to be there. I remember when I bought the 4090 cards and the amount of "issues" that popped up with the same connector, and I had had three different cards with no issues. I have a feeling this time will be the same. Maybe I'll be wrong or just maybe I will be just fine like I mentioned, but time will tell.
 
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He brings up a point I brought up a while ago when Nvidia claimed that DLSS and/or RT was enabled by a vast majority of gamers: it's enabled by default. Most users don't sit there and tweak settings. They just fire up the game and play. That's not to say DLSS is bad (it's gotten pretty good, and is a lot more useful than frame gen is to me), but the claim is blatantly disingenuous.

This entire GPU generation, arguably from both sides (though moreso Nvidia) can basically be called "the generation of disingenuity". Nothing but bullshit that tries to have some air of "legitimacy" by twisting numbers and facts while hoping viewers simply remain oblivious to the context. It's effectively like saying "we cured their athlete's foot [by cutting off their leg] with 100% success rate.".


Dreamerbydesign said:
I agree with that.

I also think it’s the bad habits of people buying these junk cards. If more people would vote with their wallet nvidia would listen. They listen to money.
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I think we might be beyond that. I don't know if they actually give a shit anymore. Nvidia is probably only in still in this space because they got to jack up the prices so high over time that it just made sense to stay in it. Their datacenter side is making so much money hand over fist that we are an accessory at best. Otherwise yeah I agree and I've said that before.

But this gen made their focus horrendously clear. They spent all of their development on AI and datacenter and then gamers essentially got the moldy leftover scraps.

"The 5070 gets 4090 levels of performance [If you don't mind that all of it comes from this framegen crap and it still can't handle high resolutions because of its shit VRAM even with DLSS on, also we have like no stock of anything else], crazy uplift right? Great generation!"

It's hard to not be pissed.
 
1_rick said:
My local Microcenter had 14 5070s in stock this morning, and still has 4, according to the website.
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Wow. Hmm either people didn't know about them or people are getting tired of the nonsense.
 
pioruns said:
Nvidia is a psychopath corporation. That's why I will try to never be their customer again, they don't deserve my money.
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You just described every large and megacorp. :ROFLMAO:
It seems like once a corporation moves into the net worth of billions it loses whatever humanity that it had with those running it, and when it moves into the trillions all hope is lost for any level of sanity beyond "number go up". :borg:
 
mullet said:
Nividia's main job is to build a connector that is as dummy proof as you can make it to connect with out error.

Playing the blame game is 100% BS.
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I don't believe NVidia makes the connector, its just a standard that they adopted hard core and invested into for their cards several generations ago.
It is however their poor power design on the card that could have averted this. From a video I saw it looked like it was due to them trying to make the card so small for the pass through fans.
Works for cooling but leads to the card using the power cables poorly.
 
the previous gen was melting the cables ... and they heaped load on like nothing was wrong lol, have tons of headroom.. yeah it's a big bummer to have to redesign the whole power delivery system mid cycle.. but the 4090 was the warning call.. lol. the 5090 is kinda the new fx 5800 ultra. It's more than just loud this time!

edit: all jokes I don't know how prevalent this melting is ... I hope it's very infrequent.. obv dep on power circuitry.
 
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I will happily jump ship as soon as someone other than Nvidia produces the top performing card. I absolutely agree with the criticism, not so much on price (determined by the market and nature of fiduciary responsibility to shareholders), but of the reckless power delivery and flimsy connectors.

I am not loyal to corporations. They are not my friends, it is not a team sport. I buy the top card every cycle and then sell it to offset the cost of the next generation. Been doing it for two-plus decades. I can and do gripe about Nvidia and their shady practices, but if they make the fastest gaming GPU that's what I'm going to buy. So please AMD and Intel, come take my money! Hell, bring back Crossfire and I'll even buy two of 'em. ;)
 
Flogger23m said:
Reminds me of the whole "If you don't want always online Xboxs, buy an Xbox 360" debacle when Microsoft was debuting the Xbox One. Generally companies want to sell their products, and implying the customer doesn't need to buy them is some of the worst marketing you can come up with.
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He is not saying you shouldn't buy them, just that he doesn't know how to buy one since he doesn't have to buy GPUs.
 
1_rick said:
My local Microcenter had 14 5070s in stock this morning, and still has 4, according to the website.
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I’m struggling to understand how 14 in store only cards in a single location somehow alleviate the ability of the rest of planet earth to get one?
 
M76 said:
He is not saying you shouldn't buy them, just that he doesn't know how to buy one since he doesn't have to buy GPUs.
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He also implied he hadn't bought a GPU in a while, but then contradicted himself if I recall. My point is, it could be interrupted as a kind of a "you don't really need it". Just an odd thing to say, and a lot of other nonsense. Either case, its hard to get the GPUs and the prices are very high, among other shortcomings. He more or less dodged the questions which was lame.
 
Flogger23m said:
He also implied he hadn't bought a GPU in a while, but then contradicted himself if I recall. My point is, it could be interrupted as a kind of a "you don't really need it". Just an odd thing to say, and a lot of other nonsense. Either case, its hard to get the GPUs and the prices are very high, among other shortcomings. He more or less dodged the questions which was lame.
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I think his statement should be interpreted as he hadn't bought a GPU in a while since he gets the newest one automatically being a sales rep for nvidia. Which makes total sense, how do you promote a product you haven't even tried? His slip up comes later when he says there is no employee program for getting GPUs. Meaning he is either lying about not getting GPUs, or lying about not having to buy GPUs.
 
kac77 said:
Wow. Hmm either people didn't know about them or people are getting tired of the nonsense.
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More so all the YouTubers out there telling people not to buy the 5070 even though the market is scarce right now.
 
Red Falcon said:
You just described every large and megacorp. :ROFLMAO:
It seems like once a corporation moves into the net worth of billions it loses whatever humanity that it had with those running it, and when it moves into the trillions all hope is lost for any level of sanity beyond "number go up". :borg:
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Yup, money and power corrupts and twists people, always has. Politicians, CEOs, or companies as whole, it's always the same story.
 
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