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Denon AVR-589 Receiver Question

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I am looking to get a receiver for my home setup. Eventually it will run 5.1 surround setup, but right now it will mainly transfer video and audio through HDMI. I found the Denon AVR-589 a while back, and it looks like I can get a refurbed one for about $150. Would this be a good buy, or would you recommend I look elsewhere? I'm not wanting to spend too much over $200 on one shipping included.
 
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I have a Denon 1610 receiver and so far I love it. The 589 looks like a good buy for the money in my opinion.
 
I just noticed on the specs page that this says the HDMI inputs are video switching only. I'm assuming that means it will not pass through audio, am I correct?

I just got in my Radeon 5850 which has up to 7.1 audio output, which I would like to transfer to a receiver, and then go component into the TV. My TV is a little old (no HDMI input) but still has great picture so I'm not looking to replace that. I'd like to add a 5.1 setup to the mix soon, so a receiver that can handle audio pass through through HDMI is necessary.
 
The more I think about it the more I think think this belongs in Home Theater PC section. Sorry about that.... could I get this moved?
 
So the ones that are switches only WILL pass audio, but that's all they'll do: pass it. What a switch means is that the HDMI on it is just a real simple "inputs get switched to output" deal like this internally. Useful for routing video (or audio) but nothing more. The reciever doesn't actually process the signal.

What you need is one with a repeater. That means that the receiver actually nabs the signal, has a look at ti, then repeats it out the output. The lowest end Denon I know that does that is the AVR-590. So that'd be what you should go after, if HDMI Audio is what you are interested in.
 
Keep in mind that most receivers will not route the HDMI input to the component video output. However for the time being if your 5850 comes with a DVI breakout adapter you could run component into the receiver and a seperate digital coax/fiber optic cable for audio depending on your MB/Soundcard setup.
 
Oh, that sucks. I was hoping I could do HDMI in and then tell the component connection to route that input out to the TV. My computer isn't right next to my TV. It's going to be about a 20-30 ft cable run, so I was hoping to run HDMI out of the video card and let that handle audio and video to the TV. Is there any way I could do that with a receiver, or will most (if all) not route the HDMI through like I'm hoping it would?
 
Well, every receiver I have ever worked with has never downgraded connections...(basically analog->Digital conversion)... Plus you are really reaching the threshold of HDMI with a 20-30 foot run. I have used HDMI cables that long...but not when running 1080P or Full uncompressed audio (7.1/DTS-MA/Dolby TrueHD). Anything over 15ft, I normally use an HDMI/Cat5 Extender....

Also keep in mind that there is a new version of HDMI supposedly coming out that will add control capabilities to connected equipment.

If you are just planning on running 5.1 eventually then the receiver is good at that price....use it as a stepping stone until you are ready for the newest formats. You will just have to use the component video breakout cables and seperate audio for now.
 
motioneso: Not that I'm aware of. While good receivers will upconvert composite, s-video and component to HDMI I have never seen one, not even the $5000+ high end ones, that downconvert HDMI. My guess is that it probably breaks the rules of HDCP copy protection.

NmCRooK: You can do 1080P over a long run, just get a good cable. Bluejeans has cables that are Cat-1 certified to 45 feet and they claim they'll do 1080P over 100 (and I believe them).

As for equipment control, that's already out. All the new Denon receivers have CEC support.
 
One final possibility. I'm not ready to let this die yet!

The Denon AVR-590 (one step up) DOES do audio and video input through HDMI. My TV does have a DVI "HDMI" input as it calls it. So if I use the HDMI out of the 5890 into the receiver, then use a HDMI to DVI cable into the TV for the video, would I be able to route the audio from the HDMI in (on the receiver) to an analog out, or is that not possible either?

I guess an alternative would be to run a HDMI to DVI from the computer, and then run a 1/4" output from my Presonus Firebox to RCA input for audio on the TV. I know the TV accepts RCA audio input while displaying DVI, so this may be the way to go for now.

Thoughts?
 
That would work fine. DVI and HDMI are electrically compatible, except that DVI can carry a VGA signal if it needs to (HDMI can't) and HDMI can carry audio (DVI can't).

So what would happen in that situation is your receiver would play the audio for you, and the video would be sent on to the TV.

Now please note that with that particular receiver, you'll need to have it powering the speakers directly. It does not have a "pre out" so it can't send an analogue signal to other devices like a different power amp or powered speakers. That is something you can get, you just have to get a much higher end receiver to get the feature.

However you can have it play the audio coming from HDMI, no problem.
 
Sycraft said:
motioneso: Not that I'm aware of. While good receivers will upconvert composite, s-video and component to HDMI I have never seen one, not even the $5000+ high end ones, that downconvert HDMI. My guess is that it probably breaks the rules of HDCP copy protection.

NmCRooK: You can do 1080P over a long run, just get a good cable. Bluejeans has cables that are Cat-1 certified to 45 feet and they claim they'll do 1080P over 100 (and I believe them).

As for equipment control, that's already out. All the new Denon receivers have CEC support.
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I am not talking about Power On/Off HDMI control. I am talking about full rs-232 control thru HDMI...It is still in the works but you would need a new receiver capable of it.....But that is besides the point of this thread.....

Anyway...if you arent running 1080P...(and you aren't if you are just running component video)...then you can just rund your HDMI to the receiver for video/audio....then use an HDMI->DVI adapter on the HDMI output of the receiver to your tv.
 
CEC is full control over HDMI. That's the whole point, and it is a standard set of commands so that all devices implement the same command set (if they choose to be controllable). It's present in new Denon receivers.
 
CEC is still limited. Your only options are what is prebuilt into the equipment you are using.
HDMI 1.4 will be capable of full custom controls/macros/2-way communication/ethernet.

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/index.aspx

Sorry for the off topic discussion op...Off to argue on another thread now.....
 
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