Demand for G80 Weak

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I read the article posted on the front page about demand for the G80 being weak.

My first thought was, "No, demand is strong. The price is just too damn high." I'd love to have a Geforce 8800, but I just can't see paying over $450 for a GTS, much less close to 700 for a GTX. It is an especially unappetizing thought since the thrill of owning the top hardware just doesn't last very long, especially with video cards.

Anyone else think the same thing?
 
I bought one and I still agree with you :)
Had my 7900GT not been a total POS I would've waited.
It's a pretty hefty price, but at the same time it'll run essentially anything you throw at it maxed out. The problem is that we're in that weird middle period with DX10/Vista/Games for Windows not really kicking in for a few months. I think there are a lot of people waiting for the time being as a result. Most last-gen video cards run WoW, FEAR, etc. just fine.
 
The price seem perfect for the performance it gives. A 8800 gtx faster than 2 7900 gtx's or X1950 XTX's in sli/crossfire in some games but 2 of those cards would cost $800+ so yeah. >.>
 
Well, the high price tag is definitely a deterent, however I don't think that alone would not be enough to keep most hardware fanatics away. Part of the reason may be that previous gen cards are still quite good. There wasn't and still isn't, a game that my old X1800XT couldn't man-handle with ease. In fact, even my old X800XT PE still rocks with all the games that I normally run.

If it wasn't for the fact that I'm a bit anal-retentive when it comes to my hardware, there really wasn't any reason for me to upgrade to my 8800 GTX.
 
The only reason the price is so high is because ATI does not offer anything that can currently match the 8800.
 
Demand is so weak, they are hard to find in stock from your favorite builder....
 
I think price and lack of DX10 games are both are part of the somewhat low demand.....although I'm on the hunt for a 8800GTX now :cool:
 
KingPing said:
I think price and lack of DX10 games are both are part of the somewhat low demand.....although I'm on the hunt for a 8800GTX now :cool:
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You're probably right about the direct 3D 10 part. Most people seem to be under the assumption that the G80's are useless till vista and D3D10 games come out. That is true if you have a good card already and a low res monitor but if you play at high resolutions and want max settings you're dead wrong.
 
LostInRehab said:
You're probably right about the direct 3D 10 part. Most people seem to be under the assumption that the G80's are useless till vista and D3D10 games come out. That is true if you have a good card already and a low res monitor but if you play at high resolutions and want max settings you're dead wrong.
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No one said it was useless... I would like one of these but it's just too much money and not to mention most of us have video cards that run all are games in settings we want anyway...
 
I wasn't sure what demand/availability was going to be like, so I took a page out of the console gamer's playbook and showed up at opening time at Microcenter for launch day to get one. Luckily nobody else had the same idea and I had no issue getting one. In fact they offered me a 2nd one I I wanted :p
 
i agree with some of the comments before.... my 7800gtx play BF2 on my 19" WS at 1440x900 with AA x8 and AFx16 no problem... i never go below 30fps.

if i had a 20.1 or bigger than maybe id need to get e G80 but with everything i have and i only play BF2 i have no reason to upgrade. and it was only 9 months ago that i got my 7800gtx for $250. I can milk that a little while longer.. :)

when i go with a new video card is when i also go DD2 ... either c2d or amd which ever has a better price/performace ratio and OC ability in about a year to a year and a half...
 
Caffeinated said:
I read the article posted on the front page about demand for the G80 being weak.

My first thought was, "No, demand is strong. The price is just too damn high." I'd love to have a Geforce 8800, but I just can't see paying over $450 for a GTS, much less close to 700 for a GTX. It is an especially unappetizing thought since the thrill of owning the top hardware just doesn't last very long, especially with video cards.

Anyone else think the same thing?
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Newegg currently has 6 models of 8800GTX in stock and 5 models of 8800GTS in stock. The story is about the same at other retailers, at least the ones that I regularly shop at. Like you said, I certainly wouldn't mind upgrading to an 8800GTS, although my current 7900GT has no problems playing at max resolution for my monitor(1600x1200) and max in game settings (at least it did until a week ago... RIP :( ), and so a $450-$500 upgrade is just a little hard to justify, even if things would look prettier.
 
Adidas4275 said:
i agree with some of the comments before.... my 7800gtx play BF2 on my 19" WS at 1440x900 with AA x8 and AFx16 no problem... i never go below 30fps.

if i had a 20.1 or bigger than maybe id need to get e G80 but with everything i have and i only play BF2 i have no reason to upgrade. and it was only 9 months ago that i got my 7800gtx for $250. I can milk that a little while longer.. :)

when i go with a new video card is when i also go DD2 ... either c2d or amd which ever has a better price/performace ratio and OC ability in about a year to a year and a half...
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Actually I use a 7800gtx @ 1680x1050, I don't get to use AA and AF in all games but it sure runs everything I throw at it butter smooth. I couldn't see paying $650 so I could play everything with AA and AF.
 
Killa_2327 said:
Actually I use a 7800gtx @ 1680x1050, I don't get to use AA and AF in all games but it sure runs everything I throw at it butter smooth. I couldn't see paying $650 so I could play everything with AA and AF.
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Coming from a 7800GT, in 1680 x 1050... Being able to play Oblivion with everything maxxed (HDR + 4x AA, 16x anisotropy) and still get in the 40's for an average frame rate...

The 550$ CAD I spent on the GTS was very worth it.
 
Arcygenical said:
Coming from a 7800GT, in 1680 x 1050... Being able to play Oblivion with everything maxxed (HDR + 4x AA, 16x anisotropy) and still get in the 40's for an average frame rate...

The 550$ CAD I spent on the GTS was very worth it.
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Weren't you getting a GTX ?? :confused:
 
I was about to jump on on the G80 bandwagon, but i left my guitar at home. In other words, the X1950XTX was a better choice the 3 days before the G80 came out...I can see paying the money for a 8800GTS since its faster than the X1950XTX, but not the GTX where the performance benefit doesn't outweigh the price.
 
I think there are a couple of items at play. First, history, well at least recent history, is not working for NVIDIA or ATI (ahem, AMD) in a positive manner. For one, they released refresh products too often on the 7x00/1x00 series. Already, I have seen people commenting on the refresh product next year before they make their move. If the purchase was going to be the best offered for a decent amount of time, people would opt in more often.

Second, the prices have historically dropped, so if there is no pressing need for this card, then the high prices are hard to justify. Even the CEO of NVIDIA's biggest fear was not ATI/AMD, Intel, or any competitor. Instead, he was most afraid of consumer complacency. Looks like that may have occured a little sooner, than later. And, it does not help that there is no DX10 support and the "killer" game that would draw people to the card. Look what Gears of War did for the XBox 360.

Personally, the gains in current game play are significant. No shimmering (AF is fixed), improved IQ, and the best AA performance curve NVIDIA has ever offered. Keepers for me.
 
Most gamers aren't hardcore with their wallets. Just look at the Valve reports whenever they publish the statistics they gather up from their user database. No, it doesn't report all gamers on the planet, but quick glance will show you that most gamers are not, umm, made of money. Although I spent $400 on my 6800GT two years ago, and I consider that a worthwhile investment, I refuse to spend any more than $300 on a video card now.

Point being, demand for G80 is low because $450 and $650 dollars, respectively, is a crapload of money! This is coupled with the $150 power supplies we're forced to buy, along with $200 motherboards, and $300 RAM. Yes, I'm exaggerating a bit, but if you want to upgrade to a Core2 Duo system with a killer graphics card these days, you're gonna have to pay an arm and a leg for it. I personally think Asus's new $500 motherboard is the biggest joke I've ever seen.

I remember the good ole days when TNT2 Ultras sold for $250 and Voodoo3 3000's went for $179, and those were top of the line cards for the day.
 
Ranari said:
Most gamers aren't hardcore with their wallets. Just look at the Valve reports whenever they publish the statistics they gather up from their user database. No, it doesn't report all gamers on the planet, but quick glance will show you that most gamers are not, umm, made of money. Although I spent $400 on my 6800GT two years ago, and I consider that a worthwhile investment, I refuse to spend any more than $300 on a video card now.

Point being, demand for G80 is low because $450 and $650 dollars, respectively, is a crapload of money!
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Bingo. Demand for G80 is weak cause theres only two cards out in the price neighborhood of $450+ and $600+ which not everybody can afford nor wants too have. Once NV releases mid and low range G80 based cards then watch demand soar.
 
What's their definition of "weak?" Do they mean it's not selling as well as a $150 graphics card? Duh.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Nvidia is making the kind of profit they expected on this high-end only launch. Besides, being this far ahead of ATI they don't have to be in a hells fire hurry, they can let the market share grow at a natural pace. I'll admit I'm an Nvidia !!!!!! (note: I can say whore but not f-a-n-b-o-y?), but I'm as interested as everyone else to see what kind of war breaks out with AMD backing ATI on the next launch. It's fun seeing a situation like this sometimes. Two titans square off, and ATI's launch could be as big as a cannon or as small as a pop gun. Who knows...
 
Well, historically, these cards are less expensive today than the same amount a few years ago. Inflation is not your friend. In 1996, you could opt for a Diamond Viper 8 MB card for $800, if you wanted. Today, tin 2006 dollars, that is $1,028.
And, more recently, a $400 purchase in 2004 for a 6800GT is about $430 today, in 2004 dollars. Prices are creeping up since the evolution of the GPU is moving faster than the rest of the PC.
 
If you're an Oblivion frantic, and want to enjoy it at its best, use at least an 8800 (or a 7900GTX in SLi)!

If you are not focused on the very latest games, more specificially FEAR, Oblivion, etc.. games, a single 7900GTX or a single X1900XT should be enough even for a 24" LCD monitor with 99+% of all the games out there.

Right now, I have dual 7900GT 512MB's in SLI, overclocked to 7900GTX speeds basically, for online gaming with my 24" Sony CRT monitor. In my other computer (my wife's), I have an X1900XTX, which is a must for her 24" Dell LCD monitor at 1920x1200 native.
 
the hardcore gamers who drool over games and want the latest stuff are the young ones i'd estimate ages 15-21. They are the ones that want it, but cant afford it. Its a lot harder to convince mommy& daddy to buy $600 card for christmas than it is $250 duh. Now the ones that have that kinda dough are the OG gamers 25+. They are out of college, grew up with games etc. But now they dont game as much cus they have families/jobs etc. So why spend $600 on something you when you play games only 2-3 hrs a week.

Bottom line: Its too much for an impulse CC swipe for the old timers, and too much for parent with a screaming kid.
 
strikeout said:
the hardcore gamers who drool over games and want the latest stuff are the young ones i'd estimate ages 15-21. They are the ones that want it, but cant afford it. Its a lot harder to convince mommy& daddy to buy $600 card for christmas than it is $250 duh. Now the ones that have that kinda dough are the OG gamers 25+. They are out of college, grew up with games etc. But now they dont game as much cus they have families/jobs etc. So why spend $600 on something you when you play games only 2-3 hrs a week.

Bottom line: Its too much for an impulse CC swipe for the old timers, and too much for parent with a screaming kid.
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Then again, old gamers with money may want to get the most out of their 2-3hour/wk gaming experience as they can. $450-$600 is nothing compared to what many people spend on their weekend hobbies (think cars/hifi audio/golf/etc)

I don't have the exact numbers to back it up, but it seems like the performance jump from 7 series to 8 series is very similar to what it was from 6 series to 7 series, although it seems like the price jump is a lot higher. That is, I don't recall the first 7 series cards costing that much more than the 6 series cards at the time. I think part of the problem is that the DirectX10 capabilities of the 8 series cards are not visible although they are still reflected in the price. Just my $0.015, feel free to correct me.
 
I think it breaks down to price and resolution used. I've noticed a lot of polls on hardware sites asking about the most common monitor size and/or resolution used and the most common monitors are 19" LCD's or CRT's in most polls. Mostly running 1280x1024 or something similar. At that resolution, a ~$200 7900GT runs most games just fine. Yeah, you don't get Oblivion "at it's absolute best", but I played around 200 hours of the game with my 7900GT and enjoyed it just fine. I honestly decided a couple of years ago that over $500 was too much to spend on a video card. I'm an older gamer with plenty of money, but enough is enough. The range I like is around $250 - $350. That said, I'll be waiting until the cards enter that price range before I jump. Now, if I had a larger monitor then my 19" LCD, then I would have to seriously think about getting at least a GTS, but I'd hope to be able to wait until it at least dipped below $400. Just MHO... ;)
 
Domingo said:
I bought one and I still agree with you :)
Had my 7900GT not been a total POS I would've waited.
It's a pretty hefty price, but at the same time it'll run essentially anything you throw at it maxed out. The problem is that we're in that weird middle period with DX10/Vista/Games for Windows not really kicking in for a few months. I think there are a lot of people waiting for the time being as a result. Most last-gen video cards run WoW, FEAR, etc. just fine.
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That is almost exactly what I thought, though I volt modded my 7900GT to700/800 and it ran like a champ and now I am stunned by the difference in the way games look w/EVERYTHING MAXED OUT! 16tsaa 16af HQ
 
Since when has brand new released, top of the line PC hardware, ever had large demand?

When the price drops to somethign more affordable and the part gets some games to run it can really take advantage of, then we'll see demand rise.
 
Frosteh said:
Since when has brand new released, top of the line PC hardware, ever had large demand?

When the price drops to somethign more affordable and the part gets some games to run it can really take advantage of, then we'll see demand rise.
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The geforce3, geforce4, geforce 6800GT and geforce 7900gt sold like hotcakes since they first appeared.

I'm not sure there is a low demand for the G80, but if there is, hopefully it will drive prices down, so its a win win situation for consumers.
 
The demand for top of the line video cards is typically very low all year round, the major demand is in the mid range and low range video card product lines. There's just not that many enthusiasts willing to fork over that amount of cash.
 
Frosteh said:
The demand for top of the line video cards is typically very low all year round, the major demand is in the mid range and low range video card product lines. There's just not that many enthusiasts willing to fork over that amount of cash.
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well said - when I first started playing computer games the only reason I got a 6800GT was that I could get the card for dirt cheap - 10% under wholesale! - when the card was about $400. now that I am a hardcore gamer and have money to burn (no obligations ie: kids, mortgage, high rent, etc.) and because I do a little independent contract work on the side just to make money to upgrade the rig I have I can justify to myself the money I have spent. And more importantly I can justify the expense to my mom (overbearing when it comes to what I buy even though I'm 23 (LOL - I'm sure people can relate) because I sell my old parts and make some money back (yea for FS/FT forum here and eBay!). But yeah I get the mid range idea and now the cards aren't so mid range - ie: X1950 Pro, 7900GT (dropping prices) ultimately you get great performance for your money. Those are the card I recommend to friends and family as now mid-range cards are giving so much bang for your buck!

Sorry for the rant
 
Sorry but not everyone has rich parents that can buy just about anything for their spoiled kids, some of us actually have to pay bills and save our money :rolleyes:
 
I think the 8800s are awesome cards, but i will not spend over $500 CND on a video card, so they aren't going to be getting my business till they fix the pricing just a little.

That & for the few games i do play, my X1900 XT is more than fine.
 
Ionium said:
Sorry but not everyone has rich parents that can buy just about anything for their spoiled kids, some of us actually have to pay bills and save our money :rolleyes:
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Was that towards me? I work and do sales for the family business on the side to make spending money, I pay my own bills, save money, and I was just saying that I have no financial obligations FOR NOW that cut into my spending money. The reference to the overbearing mother of mine is that she'll yell at me for buying anything and that a good way to justify a new card is that you can sell your old card to make some of the money back. As of now I almost have made back what I spent on the GTS by selling my old memory, 6800gt, mobo, and after the 7900gt sells I will have actually come out ahead! I think if I am not using it someone sure can!

Coolmanluke said:
Maybe nationwide. I was just at my local Compusa last night and they had a whole boat load of BFG 8800's in the display case marked at $679.99. Starting talking to a sales rep and he said everyone seems to be waiting for Xmas because they've been there a while.
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GTX or GTS that sounds like the GTX - CompUSA had to call me back to come get one of two GTSs they had on release day- because they couldn't find it because it was such a huge box - stupid huh?
 
Of EVGA Cooler :) plus by then all problems will be worked out with faulty resister. I hope its coming out in 2-3 weeks because no one will give a definite answer.
 
My current hedge is waiting for a 680i MB. I'm not sure the eVGA board is fully cooked yet, and I want the features of the board......third PCI-e slot at 8x,rockem sockem overclocks, and the C2D.......so I'm waiting for the ASUS P5N32-E to come out in full volume...........then I'm gonna jump in with both feet! (there aint one to be found anywhere, ETA is 4 December) :eek:
 
Ionium said:
Sorry but not everyone has rich parents that can buy just about anything for their spoiled kids, some of us actually have to pay bills and save our money :rolleyes:
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...and some of us work and choose to spend our money on what we want. That's a hell of a generalization for this board. I think you'll find VERY few people getting the G80's (especially here) are kids that have their parents buy them whatever they want. This is an enthusiast card, not a Wii or PS3.
 
Domingo said:
...and some of us work and choose to spend our money on what we want. That's a hell of a generalization for this board. I think you'll find VERY few people getting the G80's (especially here) are kids that have their parents buy them whatever they want. This is an enthusiast card, not a Wii or PS3.
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Exactly. I'm 33, live alone (GF visits often ;) ), don't have much debt, and can afford to spend a couple thousand a year on computer equipment if I so choose. Sometimes I do... sometimes I don't. I usually go for the good deals just because I like to get a lot for my money, but I'm in the que to Step-up one of my 7900GTOs to a 8800GTX, and I don't feel like I'm getting ripped off. I just wanted to be top-of-the-line for once, so that's really all there is too it.

To be honest, you guys should be happy there's extra 8800s available. That just means there is little to no price gouging from retailers, and that retail prices will start to drop sooner rather than later. Although, honestly, I wouldn't expect much of a price drop until after ATI releases their DX10 card and Nvidia retaliates with a price reduction. Pretty standard fare.
 
Domingo said:
...and some of us work and choose to spend our money on what we want. That's a hell of a generalization for this board. I think you'll find VERY few people getting the G80's (especially here) are kids that have their parents buy them whatever they want. This is an enthusiast card, not a Wii or PS3.
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I agree, BUT I actually would like a PS3 (at retail) for the big one and only fact - that it is the cheapest Blu-Ray player available - I hate that fact because I would rather have the $1K Panasonic Blu-Ray player than the PS3. Back on topic (sorry) there is no way my mom or dad would buy me a 8800 series card at these prices. My parents have gotten me stuff but nothing outrageous like a $660 single component. Like Domingo said G80s are enthusiast cards,
 
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