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DELL Trinitron M992

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Is it junk? I got one from a customer. Its in excellent condition. It doesnt seem as good as Sony FW900 but would it be a great gaming monitor or should I trash it? I have Eizo Foris FG2421 VA doing 120Hz at 1080p. This Dell can only do 1600x1200@75Hz or 1280x1024@85Hz. Trash it?
 
it should do 120 hz at lower resolutions, lie 800x600, so might be worth keeping if you are interested in fast paced shooters (not to mention the virtually 0 ms input lag). Why not give it a try and see how you like it?
 
Great idea. Im about to bring my PC to work bc I live so close.
 
Where are you located? I can take it off your hands if you don't like it. :D

Edit - are you sure it's a Trinitron? I had a P991 that was a Trinitron and an M991 that was a Phillips. Seems to me the M992 and P992 should be the black versions of both respective monitors? I'm fairly certain the P991 that I had could do better than 1600x1200, 75hz - that sounds like the limit of my M991, which was a Phillips screen. Either way, it was a good monitor.
 
Im not interested in 800x600. I want only 1600x1200. If it flickers @ 75Hz then I trash it.
 
It's a upgrade from the Dell P991 which I had for 10 years just gave it away recently.
I had the M992 also but the eyestrain was so bad I couldn't use it for some reason I mean bad eyestrain to the point where my eyes were pulled in different directions and strained at the same time.
 
Comixbooks said:
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I had the M992 also but the eyestrain was so bad I couldn't use it for some reason I mean bad eyestrain to the point where my eyes were pulled in different directions and strained at the same time.
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what refresh were you running at?
 
Well, this monitor made games look fluid even @ 75Hz. Response rate and input lag were of course @ supreme levels. What sucked was brightness and black levels. In fact, there were no black levels, only gray ones! I have no idea why people say that CRT's had high contrast ratio, but this sucker made it impossible to play dark games. I set it to 6500K, but at the moment I have no means to fully calibrate it, which I'd love to do as CRT display calibration is supposed to be a real challenge. I couldn't push it past 78Hz @ 1600x1200. 1280x1024 is way too low for me.

I have no idea what to do with it. I can either trash it or I can keep it, but if it can't produce those nice blacks that my Eizo Foris FG2421 can, then I don't see why I should keep it.

The outer glass is flat, but inside the actual picture is curved, so I don't know if its true Trinitron, other than it says M992 on the back.

The image is of course blurry when compared to LCD. In all honesty, a TN screen I set next to DELL CRT performed better than DELL monitor in terms of brightness, clarity, and even picture quality, but this DELL outperformed that TN in response times and input lag.

Is there a way to improve contrast and make those blacks real black? When this DELL is turned off, the screen is gray, real crappy.
 
What is awesome is that I made a PC recycling man, who told me he constantly has people asking him to find things. He most certainly came across Sony Trinitron FW900 before and at times in seriously large quanitities! Sooner or later I will get my hands on one!!!
 
MonarchX said:
Well, this monitor made games look fluid even @ 75Hz. Response rate and input lag were of course @ supreme levels.
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Just for the sake of the experience, you should try gaming at 120hz on a CRT, even if it means you need to run at a lower resolution.

MonarchX said:
What sucked was brightness and black levels. In fact, there were no black levels, only gray ones! I have no idea why people say that CRT's had high contrast ratio, but this sucker made it impossible to play dark games. I set it to 6500K, but at the moment I have no means to fully calibrate it, which I'd love to do as CRT display calibration is supposed to be a real challenge.
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You can restore inky blacks fairly easily if you have a WinDAS cable. If you want to go full monty, follow my guide here. If you just want a quick fix (you still need WinDAS cable), follow instructions here.


The outer glass is flat, but inside the actual picture is curved, so I don't know if its true Trinitron, other than it says M992 on the back.
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When I go through the model list in WinDAS, only Dell P992 is listed. However, according to this, the M992 is simply a rebranded Sony CPD G420S, which most certainly is supported in WinDAS.
 
spacediver said:
Just for the sake of the experience, you should try gaming at 120hz on a CRT, even if it means you need to run at a lower resolution.



You can restore inky blacks fairly easily if you have a WinDAS cable. If you want to go full monty, follow my guide here. If you just want a quick fix (you still need WinDAS cable), follow instructions here.




When I go through the model list in WinDAS, only Dell P992 is listed. However, according to this, the M992 is simply a rebranded Sony CPD G420S, which most certainly is supported in WinDAS.
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If that was the case, then wouldn't be 100% flat in addition to being able to run 1600x1200 @ 85Hz? This set surely doesn't, BUT I only a single DVI to VGA conntactor available... Could DVI-D (dual) connector improve the refresh rate OC? Also WinDAS needs Virtual Machine or WindowsXP, which is something I'm not familiar with, but AFAIK its not hard to setup.
 
MonarchX said:
If that was the case, then wouldn't be 100% flat in addition to being able to run 1600x1200 @ 85Hz? This set surely doesn't, BUT I only a single DVI to VGA conntactor available... Could DVI-D (dual) connector improve the refresh rate OC? Also WinDAS needs Virtual Machine or WindowsXP, which is something I'm not familiar with, but AFAIK its not hard to setup.
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You're probably hitting the limit of the monitor. Seriously - where are you located (you can pm me)? If you're close enough, I may swing by and pick it up. I have an old IBM PS/2 that I would love to use that monitor on. As for your comments regarding Trinitrons and not being flat - the FW900 itself isn't flat either. Only the later generations were actually truly flat monitors. And in my opinion that's not a bad thing. Flat monitors have more geometry distortion than curved monitors because of the elliptical nature of the deflection yoke (it's a lot easier for a round deflection yoke to produce a "straight" image on a round tube than a flat tube).

Trinitrons are Sony-branded aperture grille monitors. They use vertical strips in their phosphor mask, as opposed to round dots. This allows them to produce images that are bright and crisp. Aperture grille has nothing to do with whether or not the monitor is flat. Its competition - the Shadow Mask, like I said earlier, uses dots. Whether or not you like one or the other is your taste. Shadow Masks appear to be thought of as better at text than Aperture Grille's (I can confirm - all of my AG tubes are "softer" than my SM tubes - with the exception of the F520). But then again, the AG tubes are thought of as better for photos (for what it's worth - Unkle Vito's monitors come with a paper saying that the monitor is a graphic monitor and not a text monitor - perhaps this is what he's referring to?).

Spacediver, thanks for confirming the monitor. No thanks to Dell (P991 is the Trinitron - M991 is the Philips, and yet for the 992 it looks to be bit... backward?).

Monarch - you can get some good blacks on that screen. Like spacediver said, it's in need of some calibrating.
 
spacediver said:
When I go through the model list in WinDAS, only Dell P992 is listed. However, according to this, the M992 is simply a rebranded Sony CPD G420S, which most certainly is supported in WinDAS.
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I didn't get that from the forum link. I got that the P992 is the Trinitron. MonarchX - can you take a picture of the monitor in the OSD. That should clear it up REAL fast as to whether or not it's a Sony.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
I didn't get that from the forum link. I got that the P992 is the Trinitron. MonarchX - can you take a picture of the monitor in the OSD. That should clear it up REAL fast as to whether or not it's a Sony.
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you're correct, I must be dyslexic or something :p
 
if you play old DOS games or emulators of old consoles and computer then you might want to keep it for that as CRT have superior performance in those. For new games such small and only 4:3 isn't going to cut it imho, especially that you already have strobed 120Hz monitor...
 
how different is the M993s from the M992?

it would be nice to know if the P992 is the black version of the P991 because i need to flash mine with Windas but, it's throwing up connection errors (can't connect to to CRT)
 
FWIW...both the F520 and FW900 look flat to me, whereas the inner aspect of a late model flat screen NEC/Mitsubishi CRT to me actually looked curved...
 
Cream of the crop is the HA202DT by iiyama it's a 22" 75 monolith that I personally owned for 10 years before I went to 4 30" monitors. It had 0 input lag and did 110hz stock and could be O/C to 144hz. If you can find one of those don't hesitate.

Too bad they cant get LCD's to be as good as those monitors.
 
OLED or rather AMOLED and SAMOLED are close as far as image quality but, unlike the CRT the OLDE needs each pixel to be calculated vs anaglouge so that means higher latency, also OLED variants are of LOW yield at this point in time so it's amazing we are just now seeing tablet sized OLED variants.
 
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