Dell G series with LED

Yeah I am not sure what to think of these. But LG also announced a LED 24 incher, and I think I like the look of that one better (LG W2486L).
 
LED = Good... everything else = bad
unfortunately it's just gonna be another 1080p TN panel :(
 
I like the looks of the Dell. The stand looks a bit weak though (cosmetic, not structural)
 
Ladic said:
So? :rolleyes:
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In case you haven't heard, TN is the worst type of panel on the market. Its only benefits are low lag and price.

  • Poor vertical viewing angle (especially from below)
  • Poor screen uniformity and stability (white can look "dirty"), which can reduce perceived contrast
  • Lateral viewing angle is not great (darker/lighter details can appear and disappear depending on the angle)
  • Lack of true 8-bit DAC causes color tinting, fringing, and burning in gradients and poor reproduction of darker tones
  • Economical, but more prone to backlight bleeding and QC (quality control) problems than other panel types

source: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y

HB
 
Poor vertical viewing angle (especially from below)
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is a non issue for most if used as monitor as most people tend to sit in front of it, the bad situation would be if it was part of a multi monitor set up and sat angled to where you are.


LED should fix backlight bleeding for the most part so at least it is one less problem, and one most complained about.
 
HenryBravo said:
In case you haven't heard, TN is the worst type of panel on the market. Its only benefits are low lag and price.

  • Poor vertical viewing angle (especially from below)
  • Poor screen uniformity and stability (white can look "dirty"), which can reduce perceived contrast
  • Lateral viewing angle is not great (darker/lighter details can appear and disappear depending on the angle)
  • Lack of true 8-bit DAC causes color tinting, fringing, and burning in gradients and poor reproduction of darker tones
  • Economical, but more prone to backlight bleeding and QC (quality control) problems than other panel types

source: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y

HB
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yeah? I am primarily a gamer, I use a TN panel have no problems with it.

Good luck finding a non TN panel for under $500.
 
TN are not the worst panel, PVA and to a lesser extent MVA are the worst due to input lag making them 100% useless for PC use unless you're 90 years old and can barely work a mouse in the first place.
 
R0achTheWarHero said:
TN are not the worst panel, PVA and to a lesser extent MVA are the worst due to input lag making them 100% useless for PC use unless you're 90 years old and can barely work a mouse in the first place.
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Especially if you're a 90 year old hardcore FPS gamer who swears by CS:S ... in which case you're probably using a CRT @ 800x600 :p

But seriously, PVA/MVA are fine for folks who aren't competitive FPS gamers (CRT/TN) and don't do photo/video editing (S-IPS).
 
Ladic said:
yeah? I am primarily a gamer, I use a TN panel have no problems with it.

Good luck finding a non TN panel for under $500.
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If FPS gaming is not an issue, and you're fine with refurbs, you can get the older S-IPS NEC models for around $150-200 (there's one in my sig). I don't game with that one (have it in portrait mode next to my Dell for website reading/word processing) and it works just fine.
 
The ultra-low power draw on these monitors would make them an ideal candidate for an extra "sidebar" monitor. With LED backlighting I wont feel guilty leaving a monitor on just to display my torrent progress...
 
Ladic said:
$359 is a good price
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I disagree. LED backlighting does nothing for picture quality or color reproduction (bit-tech's review of the Viewsonic VLED221wm confirms this). The only benefit it gives is power savings and longevity, and LCD panels sip power to begin with and CCFL lasts pretty damn long as it is, so these are not benefits you'll notice.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/2008/11/14/viewsonic-vled221wm-22-widescreen-monitor/3

At $279 the G2210 is too expensive for a 1680 x 1050 resolution, especially since there are a number of 1920 x 1080 22-inch monitors out now for $299 or less (ASUS' newest releases and the Viewsonic VX2260WM for $263.99 being two examples). On top of that, the G2210 offers an anemic input suite, only providing 1 x DVI and 1 x VGA. The 22-inch 1080p monitors I just mentioned typically offer 2 digital connections (usually a DVI and HDMI) and 1 analog input.

So for $20 extra you get a higher native resolution and more inputs. Screw LED backlighting.

The G2410 is even worse at $359. That flies completely over the boundary of what one should be expected to pay for a TN panel with only 2 inputs. The Soyo P-MVA I bought cost less than that. A true 8-bit, non-TN monitor with a higher resolution, no perceivable input lag, and the same number of inputs cost less than the G2410. That doesn't make any sense, especially since the selling points for TN monitors are 'fast and cheap'. If the G2410 offered more inputs, such as 2 digital and 2 analog (VGA and component for example), then the price could ALMOST be justified.

Here, let's do a comparison. The BenQ V2400W is widely regarded as one of the best, if not the best, TN panel monitors you can buy. It costs $359 from BenQ's store using a promo code.

The V2400W, compared to the G2410, offers higher resolution, more inputs, little to no input lag (though the G2410 hasn't been measured yet), and 1:1 pixel mapping. That last feature being a very rare and highly sought after feature that goes a long way to justifying the V2400W's price.

The G2410 is pathetic by comparison. It has lower resolution, fewer inputs, lacks 1:1 pixel mapping (we know it doesn't because Dell doesn't advertise that feature, and they certainly would if it did), and at best its response time + input lag will likely only match the V2400W.

LED backlighting does not justify its premium. It is a marketing gimmick with no practical advantage.
 
HenryBravo said:
In case you haven't heard, TN is the worst type of panel on the market. Its only benefits are low lag and price.

  • Poor vertical viewing angle (especially from below)
  • Poor screen uniformity and stability (white can look "dirty"), which can reduce perceived contrast
  • Lateral viewing angle is not great (darker/lighter details can appear and disappear depending on the angle)
  • Lack of true 8-bit DAC causes color tinting, fringing, and burning in gradients and poor reproduction of darker tones
  • Economical, but more prone to backlight bleeding and QC (quality control) problems than other panel types

source: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y

HB
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nice presentatation for the anti-tn crusade

TN is also affordable, has the best text clarity, nobody looks at their computer monitor from a fucking angle, has the best response times, doesn't have the saturation problems of VA or the wide gamut bullshit of IPS.

all LCD tech has major problems.
 
nobody looks at their computer monitor from a fucking angle,
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Wrong. The sides of a wide monitor are seen from angle and it can be really annoying if the monitor does not feature good viewing angles.
Furthermore, all the TN based LCD that I have seen (after and before calibrations) display dull colors in comparison of higher end models.
IMO, the only advantage of TN monitors is the price and maybe respond time and input lag (but I think it is fine with most PVA and S-IPS models).
 
shiznit said:
nice presentatation for the anti-tn crusade

TN is also affordable, has the best text clarity, nobody looks at their computer monitor from a fucking angle, has the best response times, doesn't have the saturation problems of VA or the wide gamut bullshit of IPS.

all LCD tech has major problems.
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Not to mention LED's fixing 2 of those bullet points (panel uniformity and backlight bleeding).
 
shiznit said:
nice presentatation for the anti-tn crusade

TN is also affordable, Yes
has the best text clarity, Wrong, there is no reason for that
nobody looks at their computer monitor from a fucking angle, Wrong, from any point of view you see different parts of the screen from different angles - the picture "floats" on TN
has the best response times, Not all of them. 10-12 ms response time and 16ms input lag on a TN monitor is not surprising
doesn't have the saturation problems of VA Absurd
or the wide gamut bullshit of IPS. Another absurd. Saturation and wide gamut issues are not related to panel technology

all LCD tech has major problems. Wrong. TN has major problem - it's technically not possible to get a stable image on TN while the best IPS-based monitors surpassed CRT long ago.
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Sorry...
 
brentsg said:
You just posted a link that is talking about locally dimming LED backlight mechanisms in HDTV's... vs. this debate about much smaller non-locally dimming LED backlights in computer displays.
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I think the point he was trying to make is that because they are non-locally dimming they don't really fix what they are meant to fix.
 
shiznit said:
nice presentatation for the anti-tn crusade

TN is also affordable
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I agree, which is what makes these Dell G-series monitors a waste of time.

If you're going to spend $279 for a 22-inch, get one of the many 1920 x 1080 monitors that are available now for equal or less money and more inputs.

If you're going to spend $359 for a 24-inch, get a nice BenQ V2400W. These Dell monitors simply can't compete with other monitors at their price point.

If they knock the G2210 to $199 and the G2410 to maybe $299, then they'd be worth buying.

Frankly, even $359 is too much really. Ideally, no TN panel monitor should cost much more than $299.
 
shiznit said:
nice presentatation for the anti-tn crusade

TN is also affordable, has the best text clarity, nobody looks at their computer monitor from a fucking angle, has the best response times, doesn't have the saturation problems of VA or the wide gamut bullshit of IPS.

all LCD tech has major problems.
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TNs aren't wide gamut? Where have you been? And what do you think LED is for in the minds of the marketers? Enjoy 115+% NTSC gamuts on 6-bit panels, coming soon to a sheep trough near you.
 
I never said I would buy a TN, buy you guys make it sound like the alternatives are good.

And no most TNs arent wide gamut, unlike IPS.
 
shiznit said:
I never said I would buy a TN, buy you guys make it sound like the alternatives are good.

And no most TNs arent wide gamut, unlike IPS.
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Not dell's. Their E248WFP, their most recent 19x12 monitor (now discontinued), was wide gamut. Their SP2309W is wide gamut, and also "does not fully overlap NTSC Value." (!) And of course they are the most notorious pushers of wide gamut in their more expensive monitors. I shudder to think of what they will do with LEDs.
 
shiznit said:
I never said I would buy a TN, buy you guys make it sound like the alternatives are good.
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Yes, LCD tech is severely lacking but there are decent alternatives to TN....Just need to spend more than $600. =/


shiznit said:
And no most TNs arent wide gamut, unlike IPS.
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Unfortunately, just about every 'new' LCD released these days is wide gamut...TN's included. It's not isolated to IPS.
 
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