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Dell 2407 WFP, anyone?
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mpegripper
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the 25% off if off the normal price of 879, not the 15% discount of 747
so it will not be that cheap
so it will not be that cheap
falconman515
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Still totally worth it bro....i frigin love mine despite what people are whining about. trust me its worth the money!!!
wait for version A03
http://forums.us.dell.com/supportfo...essage.id=64176&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
http://forums.us.dell.com/supportfo...essage.id=64176&view=by_date_ascending&page=1
Definitely DO NOT buy this monitor, no matter how cheap. This monitor suffers from severe banding problems, and also leaves a strange greenish trail behind dark objects on light backgrounds. How do I know? I have sent back TWO of these horrible things in the last week, only to receive a THIRD monitor today with the same problems! I will be returning it ASAP and demanding a refund. Tested all three monitors (using DVI) on two Macs, and one PC. All monitors were revision A02, mfg dates were: July 06 / may 06 / may 06. Yes, they sent me two monitors older than the original monitor I received.
Also, the third monitor I received was poorly packaged. The first two monitors were wrapped in a thick foam bag, with a foam sheet taped across the front of the screen. This third monitor came in a very thin clear plastic bag, with no foam sheet. Looks like they sent me a monitor that had already been sent back by someone else!
Compared to my 20' ACD, this monitor is a complete joke. I honestly can't believe so many of you consider this monitor acceptable. And this is Dells third revision of the 2407wfp!! (A00, A01, A02) Completely unacceptable.
Worth it?....never.
Click here for pics.
Also, the third monitor I received was poorly packaged. The first two monitors were wrapped in a thick foam bag, with a foam sheet taped across the front of the screen. This third monitor came in a very thin clear plastic bag, with no foam sheet. Looks like they sent me a monitor that had already been sent back by someone else!
Compared to my 20' ACD, this monitor is a complete joke. I honestly can't believe so many of you consider this monitor acceptable. And this is Dells third revision of the 2407wfp!! (A00, A01, A02) Completely unacceptable.
Worth it?....never.
Click here for pics.
Nope got mine new directly from Dell yesterday, A02. I'm assuming that's why they haven't announced anything because they are trying to get rid of their A02 stock first.Shocky said:Apparently some suppliers already have A03 and dell should only be shipping A03 at this point... But phone them first to make sure they are A03...
thenixhex311
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is there any word whether or not the Component hookup is fixed on the A03?
the 2407 HAS HDCP, right? (unlike the 2007fpw)
the 2407 HAS HDCP, right? (unlike the 2007fpw)
The 2407's banding problems will not affect most people in normal every day use no matter what the bashers claim. At $560 it's a freakin' steal...24" widescreen for that price?
grimey06, if you had done any research you could've found that the greenish trail thing is fixed by lowering brightness down to 28 or lower. The monitor is too bright above that point anyway. Calling the banding problems "severe" isn't really accurate either, unless you spend all your time in Photoshop working with color gradients. I keep saying it: for normal every day use the banding isn't noticeable! I have challenged the bashers time and again to produce a picture of a game or movie where banding is blatantly obvious.
grimey06, if you had done any research you could've found that the greenish trail thing is fixed by lowering brightness down to 28 or lower. The monitor is too bright above that point anyway. Calling the banding problems "severe" isn't really accurate either, unless you spend all your time in Photoshop working with color gradients. I keep saying it: for normal every day use the banding isn't noticeable! I have challenged the bashers time and again to produce a picture of a game or movie where banding is blatantly obvious.
WHo the hell is buying a 24" monitor to browse the internet?
The banding problem is an issue in everyday use. Even in desktop mode the gradient banding is horrible. Don't misconstrue the facts to justify your own purchase, or maybe you are just that loyal to Dell?
The banding problem is an issue in everyday use. Even in desktop mode the gradient banding is horrible. Don't misconstrue the facts to justify your own purchase, or maybe you are just that loyal to Dell?
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I refer you to www.widescreengamingforum.com where we have a thread and reviews about this. There are enough issues most people prefer the 2405 still...
kmrivers said:
I've been over this before with other bashers. The 2407 is the only Dell product I own and I fully admit it isn't perfect...but it's DAMN good for its price. I and many others don't notice the banding problem in every day use, so calling it "horrible" as if it's a fact and not your opinion is very misguided! Every day use for me is gaming (PC w/ DVI, and XBOX 360 via VGA cable), DVDs, and general day to day computing tasks. And the banding just isn't a factor for me while doing ANY of those things.
Daggah said:
MIsguided? Are you not giving your opinion? You say it is good for you, and you even admit to seeing the banding! I think it is horrible. I need a quality picture for my work. I took a gamble on the Dell because of its price and it failed.
The fact that you are using the 360 via the VGA instead of component shows that you are bending yourself because the Dell sucks. There is no reason you shouldnt be using the component.
Regardless of what you deem acceptable, the banding is NOT fixed in the A02 versions of this monitor. And it should not be downplayed or swept under the carpet. Dell isnt going to fix it if everyone just buys it and says "oh well, at least it is cheap". That it taking it up the ass, I am not about to take it up the ass for a low price.
The Dell is a nice monitor with nice features, however Dell hasn't done a good job with this display. It is your duty as an owner to report the facts, as well as it is mine.
I am not trying to battle, but I am entitled to give my opinion just as you are. And I am no basher.
kmrivers said:
Where did I admit to seeing the banding? That's the point of my whole freakin' comment about the banding in the first place: I DON'T SEE IT! Do I go looking for it by loading up gradients that don't represent every day use? No. But in normal use I do NOT see any banding.
You mean, of course, other than because VGA > component and also because it frees up the component inputs for other devices?
It's also not as bad as you make it out to be and is not actually noticeable to most people. Have I ever denied that it's there? No. All I'm saying is that you're blowing it way out of proportion. The fact remains that there's no competition for the Dell at the price it's being sold at!
You are entitled to your opinion, just stop trying to portray it as if it were fact when it isn't!
heftysmurf
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I tend to blame the xbox itself for the poor component connection myself. My Scientific Atlanta 8100 HD box looks great over component.
Daggah said:
Mmmkay. You are telling me it is fact that most people dont notice it. How the heck would you know that? You seem to be good at bashing my comments and downplaying them with little evidence that I am wrong.
Here are a couple facts for you: There is banding on this monitor. And Dell has not fixed it, even though they said they did. Please I would like you to tell me this isnt fact. Also, this is what I have said throughout this conversation, which is indeed fact.
Regardless of your ability to see and/or ignore the banding it is there. Saying that you can't see it, does not imply that it is a fact that most can't see.
I am not going to argue because I really dont care. All I am saying is that for what I, and I emphasize I do the banding is a huge problem. I am simply saying that if you are doing any graphic work you should rethink getting this display.
There is plenty of competition for the Dell, considering it doesnt work properly informed people can spend a little more, or just as much and get a display that actually works the way it should. Besides if there was no competition, wouldnt everyone own the Dell display?
Again, the dell is nice. It just doesnt cut it for any sort of graphic work. Which was my error.
Daggah you are *wrong*wrong*wrong*. Lowering brightness to 28 or lower does not remove the green trail. Why give false information? Adjusting the brightness up and down does change the greenish trail a little, but it does not remove it.
The banding may not be an issue in every day usage for most people, but it is an issue in everything else; gaming, dvds/videos, graphic design, you know, all those things you want to enjoy on a big screen....sigh. I could even see banding in my desktop background.
Calling the banding severe is 100% accurate (bother to see my photos?).
The banding may not be an issue in every day usage for most people, but it is an issue in everything else; gaming, dvds/videos, graphic design, you know, all those things you want to enjoy on a big screen....sigh. I could even see banding in my desktop background.
Calling the banding severe is 100% accurate (bother to see my photos?).
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Seriously, my 6-Bit TN panel in my BenQ FP93G X looks 100x better than that Dell banding issue. I wouldn't even use that monitor if it was free, I would sell it as soon as possible.grimey06 said:
grimey06 said:
It did for me...
I don't see it in gaming or DVDs/videos...I don't do graphics design and I concede that this monitor isn't good for that.
Oh, the pics of a transition from one color to another that wasn't A) a picture of normal every-day computer tasks, B) a picture of a movie playing, or C) a game being played? Yeah, I saw it. I don't stare at gradients like that all day though which was precisely my point...
Oh, just thought I would add a little side note...my friend has seen my display and actually just received HIS 2407 (A02 ) today...I've talked to him about the problems that people have claimed to have with this monitor. He just hooked his PC up via DVI and his 360 up via VGA (just like I have done) and I showed him a scenario where the banding might be a factor - the default greenish background on the 360's dashboard. I got up real close to the monitor and looked and I can see banding if I try and look for it...but when I explained what it was that I was looking for he looked closely too. When I said that that was what people have been complaining about he just laughed and said "fuck those guys." He's only had his monitor for a few minutes but he seems very happy with his purchase.
) today...I've talked to him about the problems that people have claimed to have with this monitor. He just hooked his PC up via DVI and his 360 up via VGA (just like I have done) and I showed him a scenario where the banding might be a factor - the default greenish background on the 360's dashboard. I got up real close to the monitor and looked and I can see banding if I try and look for it...but when I explained what it was that I was looking for he looked closely too. When I said that that was what people have been complaining about he just laughed and said "fuck those guys." He's only had his monitor for a few minutes but he seems very happy with his purchase.I do not believe you.daggah said:
Ok daggah we get it, you like your monitor, great, doesn't change the fact that this monitor is broken.
The big gradient across the screen is the best way to illustrate how budget-quality this monitor is. The point I was trying to make is that you are not getting what you paid for, regardless of discount. Anyone considering purchasing this monitor would be better off either spending a little more for a quality screen (that can actually display colours properly!), or spending a lot less for some budget-brand screen that will give you the same quality as the dell 2407wfp.
grimey06 said:
In other words, you're not interested in any kind of actual discussion. What kind of discussion can be had when you are going to accuse people who disagree with you of lying? I've seen the greenish trail thing with my own eyes and turning the brightness down lower than 28 which is what others have suggested and done fixed it for me just as it fixed it for others!
Broken? Funny...mine turns on when I hit the power button, displays a video signal when I give it one on the appropriate input, etc...you can criticize the picture quality all you want but saying it's "broken" is hyperbole, plain and simple.
Ok grimey, we get it, you're a basher, doesn't change the fact that many of us 2407 owners are happy with our purchase.
It's also not normal use. ZOMG you mean that most of us don't stare at full screen gradients all day? WTF?
Earth to grimey. Color stepping is a fairly common problem with LCD technology, period. You can spout off your hyperbole all you want, doesn't change the fact that you, like other bashers, just won't admit that for many people, the color banding doesn't effect normal every-day use.
You find me a "budget-brand" screen that's 24" widescreen, 1920x1200, with HDCP, DVI, VGA, component, s-video, and composite that's cheaper. Kinda hard when the 2407 is the cheapest 24" out there!
So please, grimey, spare me the hyperbole.
A poster on Dell's customer support forums had something to say that might help explain a little more about why many of us (myself included) keep saying that we don't see banding while so many others are practically screaming over it:
Could be that Dell's quality control is a lot more lax than other LCD sellers (that I can definitely believe...)
Could be that Dell's quality control is a lot more lax than other LCD sellers (that I can definitely believe...)