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Tell him what you paid for it, and that you would be happy to return the CPU for one of equal value, or straight-up cash. I know I would. :D
 
JohnAddisonUK said:
It's not a recent CPU, and I’ve already told him that I purchased it a while back, But most importantly I’ve told him there’s no way in hell I’ll be giving him my CPU. So why is this guy so pissed over a semi old CPU???
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Because the guy that "sold" it to you didn't "own" it. ES samples are not sold to anyone, rather sampled to developers and as such, legally remain Intel's property. Their concern is over who "leaked" the part or perhaps stole it from a developer.

On the one hand, it would be cool if they'd "de-classify" old ES samples and make them available.....but they don't. You shouldn't be too surprised that Intel is basically enforcing the agreement they made with whoever got the part originally.

Now that it's pretty clear that you've got Intel's attention, wouldn't it be cheaper, long term, to send it back rather than see how far Intel is willing to go?

My $00.02 - B.B.S.
 
just tell them that there is no way in hell that you will be giving you cpu to them. tell then that you will trade for a dual core see if you can get something out of this.
 
Just ask them to give you the same cpu thats not an engineering sample.. Asking them for a Dual core proc wouldnt happen. But I see a trade for the same exact cpu being possible... :)
 
In all honesty, you can understand why Intel would be pissed seeing one of there ES's up for auction on Ebay right?

I doubt they would go to the extreme of suing a consumer over this. But, who knows? They do have a shitload of money. And it is U that is on the wrong side of the law on this issue.

At the very least this should be an example for selling these things if you have one. ebay is the worst place. Stick to enthusiast forums and the like.
 
I got my current CPU off eBay as well as the vast majority of the ES chips in my collection without a hitch. Intel does have the ultimate right to take it back though. If your current auction goes through then no big deal but if it continues to escalate then either just sell it through a forum, or tell intel you threw it away.
 
mattsmall said:
just tell them that there is no way in hell that you will be giving you cpu to them. tell then that you will trade for a dual core see if you can get something out of this.
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I concur, don't let this die down man. Those bastards have more than enough money to cover a measly Dual Core CPU. They have no right to ask you for your CPU without giving an equivalent back, seeing as you clearly are the victim here and not the thief (or whatever you want to call it). :mad:
 
1c3d0g said:
I concur, don't let this die down man. Those bastards have more than enough money to cover a measly Dual Core CPU. They have no right to ask you for your CPU without giving an equivalent back, seeing as you clearly are the victim here and not the thief (or whatever you want to call it). :mad:
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They have every right to demand it back... it's an engineering sample in the first place. Why they're actually putting any effort into this is really beyond me. I mean, cut your losses, the chip is a few years old now. Or maybe there's something super special about it :eek:

If I were you, I'd probably refuse to send the chip back but let them know where it came from. At least if you volunteer that they might be more forthcoming in reaching an agreement.
 
They have no right to even ask it back, let alone force the owner to return it, without an equivalent CPU in return. The CPU was BOUGHT LEGALLY, so he wasn't the one that took it off Intel's hands. He is simply the victim here, not the damn thief! :mad:
 
1c3d0g said:
They have no right to even ask it back, let alone force the owner to return it, without an equivalent CPU in return. The CPU was BOUGHT LEGALLY, so he wasn't the one that took it off Intel's hands. He is simply the victim here, not the damn thief! :mad:
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Not true.

If you buy stolen goods, sorry but you're out of luck. The CPU could be considered evidence, and as such, can legally be confiscated.

If I were you, I would play dumb, say you bought the CPU not knowing it was an ES, and ask if you could trade for a legit one. As others have said, they can easily afford to give you a replacement, and if they have any P.R. sense, they should be forthcoming.
 
O.K.... as long as it pleases you to return every single item to the manufacturers that you bought... :rolleyes:
 
Josh_B said:
Not true.

If you buy stolen goods, sorry but you're out of luck. The CPU could be considered evidence, and as such, can legally be confiscated.
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QFT.
 
why don't you tell them where you got it, and ask for a 840 extreme edition for trade? ;)
 
JohnAddisonUK said:
I'd be quite willing to be reasonable btw, I just don't respond to "give us the CPU" crap. Won't wash with me, i'll destroy it before giving it to them.
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Well fucking said. They can keep their damn cease-and-desist letters to themselves. :mad:
 
Jasonx82 said:
Just ask them to give you the same cpu thats not an engineering sample.. Asking them for a Dual core proc wouldnt happen. But I see a trade for the same exact cpu being possible... :)
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This actually seems like the most realistic option..
 
I'm just curious how some of you plan to fight Intel in court. You guys must have some rich uncles or something, because it's going to take a hell of a lawyer to get you through this. Then again, this is the Internet, where anyone can talk like they are The Man.

By the way, 1c3d0g, are you a lawyer? What makes you think that Intel has no right to ask for the item back? The thread starter purchased proprietary materiel, which is different than the run-of-the-mill P4 that you can buy in stores.
 
You need to proceed with caution. They do legally own the CPU. There is absolutely no legal doubt about it. And they don't own you any money for it.

This is dangerous terrain. While they have no ground to have you punished by law, they cannot only demand the CPU back, they can also ask you to pay their legal expenses, especially when you resist the initial letters from them. That can be expensive.

As for a replacement, I would expect that if at all they will give you a replacement if you cooperate more than just giving it back, which means deliver the person who sold it to you.

If you demand a replacement that can be interpreted as blackmail, as holding their property "hostage" to gain a price and might further escalate their threats of having you pay for their -then much higher- legal efforts.

The fact that ebay allows you to re-list it means nothing, probably just that ebay told Intel to stuff their ES games where they belong - between them and the seller. Or it could be an outright trap on Intels part - Intel might have told ebay to allow the auction so that some Intel lawyer buys the CPU from you which gives them perfect proof you had an ES and were willing to sell it, money trace and all.

It would be best if you just lost the CPU. Must have dropped into your paper basket and got thrown out. Now the trashdump outside the city computes real fast. Such a pity.

Personally I think it's a Sauerei that you need the ESes in first place. Why not do it like AMD - sell the unlocked CPU at a higher price? The black market that developed around Intel ESes serves nobody.
 
Why not just hawk it off quick? I know some [H]'ers here that would be ecstatic to get an ES Northwood.
 
This is somewhat disturbing. Back when I had an ES processor and sold it, I e-mailed and asked Kyle about it, and he basically said what are they ("Intel Security") going to do about it?

Now if I could just find that e-mail. I'll find it eventually. :p
 
JohnAddisonUK said:
I think i'm going to have to get rid of it, I have offered them the chance to purchase it from me. If they want to purchase it then Intel can have it, if not i'll loose it on the forums.
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Nothing wrong with that, an ES Northwood will fetch a pretty penny in a community like this. Those Northwoods overclock like beasts, and the fact that it's an ES chip only adds to that.
 
Maybe Intel will start coming after us since AMD is about to eat their lunch in court.
 
1c3d0g said:
They have no right to even ask it back, let alone force the owner to return it, without an equivalent CPU in return. The CPU was BOUGHT LEGALLY, so he wasn't the one that took it off Intel's hands. He is simply the victim here, not the damn thief! :mad:
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Take a deep breath and think about what's being said. Intel loans ES parts out to reviewers / hardware designers, etc. This part was not "bought legally" as it was never offered for sale. Ever seen the NDA (non-disclosure agreement) that you have to sign to get one of these parts? Read the part where it says something like "....Intel reserves ownership of said engineering sample and retains the right to ask for its return at any time...." ....so,

Think about it - If I steal a car and sell it to you, it's a legal car? Nope....same situation here. "Buyer Beware" applies in this case.

Intel has no interest in ripping anyone off, but they do have an interest in keeping their ES parts secure. Trust me, if they think there's value in making an example of someone with an ES part....they have that capability.
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Just ask them to give you the same cpu thats not an engineering sample.. Asking them for a Dual core proc wouldnt happen. But I see a trade for the same exact cpu being possible... :)
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...if you treat them decent, you may find them quite willing to do this so they can track down exactly where this part came from. Their interest is not one part, it's the security of their ES parts.

I'd personally chalk it up as a learning experience and send it back with a nice request for a replacement as you "didn't know" it was their property. You may be surprised.....

FWIW - B.B.S.
 
This is why you should IGNORE all email and intrusions like this. Just never respond and your auction will end ontime and unaffected.
 
Definitely be reasonable, Intel has the power to do whatever in the hell they please. Also, if the OP destroys it, couldn't it be considered destruction of property? If you destroy something of someone elses, you can be tried and penalized for it. So, if they ask for it back and you don't give it to them, you could get in deep, if youdestroy it, you could get in deep. Make a few offers, and of course you have some options as you didn't actually steal it, you paid for it. Be smart about it, man.
 
ask for something like a dual core for trade, if they refuse just give it back. just try your luck a bit though. if they refuse the dual core trade then lower your offer :p

whatever you do give it back to them whatever happens (like if they refuse everything) because they'll just sue you.
 
This same thing happened to me on the forums here when i was gonna sell my xbox dev kit.
 
I looked at the auction and asked a friend at Intel and he said the lot number was
from the never released Northwood QE "Quantum Edition" Processor. It contains
special quantum transitors. If you can get it up to 5GHz the quantum transitors kick in
and time inside the chip reverses. You can tell when this happens because if you
try and OC it faster than 5GHz it will run slower the more you overclock it,
actually turning back into a PIII, PII, all the way back to a 108KHz 4004 at which
point it will go "poof" and vanish:)
 
vchip said:
I looked at the auction and asked a friend at Intel and he said the lot number was
from the never released Northwood QE "Quantum Edition" Processor. It contains
special quantum transitors. If you can get it up to 5GHz the quantum transitors kick in
and time inside the chip reverses. You can tell when this happens because if you
try and OC it faster than 5GHz it will run slower the more you overclock it,
actually turning back into a PIII, PII, all the way back to a 108KHz 4004 at which
point it will go "poof" and vanish:)
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Overclock that beast! :eek:
 
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