Delay playing on HDTV's?

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So I haven't really noticed it myself, but my friends swear than when playing Guitar Hero 2 on my HDTV that it’s off by a little, compared to a SDTV. Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any solutions?

Personally I don't think it’s my TV, I think it’s their crappy ass burnt game with some stupid ass custom songs. But they beg to differ.

Not intending for this to degrade into "burnt games or the morality of it", just want to know about HDTV's and are there any signs of a slight delay when displaying games on them.
 
I havent noticed anything. Although i did do the Guitar Hero 2 calibration on my hdtv.
 
Baker said:
Maybe thats what we didn't try. Was it a calibration on the TV itself or an in-game setting?
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There is an in game setting to calibrate it.

Runs you through a test with the guitar to set up the ms response time for your tv.
 
All HDTV's have input lag. It's just a question of how bad it is (or if you got used to it).
 
4saken said:
There is an in game setting to calibrate it.

Runs you through a test with the guitar to set up the ms response time for your tv.
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Ah ok, I'll have to give that a try. Guitar Hero really was the only game that came to mind with this issue, haven't tried any kinda dance dance rev or nothen.

I have a Sharp AQUIS LCD 1080P bought brand new, didn't realize that delays were going to be an issue with HDTV's. :(
 
Baker said:
Ah ok, I'll have to give that a try. Guitar Hero really was the only game that came to mind with this issue, haven't tried any kinda dance dance rev or nothen.

I have a Sharp AQUIS LCD 1080P bought brand new, didn't realize that delays were going to be an issue with HDTV's. :(
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I believe it's dependent on the type of connection you're using. I'm using components through my xbox 360 and experience no delay. When my brother used composite cables for his ps2 for gh2, he had lag issues. Upon upgrading to component cables, he now runs it lag free.
 
Just another reason why HDTV screens are mostly a packaging upgrade over old CRTs. :(
 
It also depends on the TV. Notably, many of the older DLP's had a processing delay somewhere in the range of >1 second or so.
 
I've never had any delay issues before. I know there were posts on the Tekken Zaibatsu boards mentioning that the 720p version of Tekken: DR had delays, but if you were in 1080i or 1080p there weren't. I've never noticed any before on my Sony projection or Samsung DLP...although I'm using HDMI for both.
 
If you have a crt hd tv then you in reality have not much lag at all. But since its lcd or plasma you will have a millisecond delay since the technology is now based on how fast they can go from black to white and back. Thats why theres lag in the picture compared to older tvs. With Electron beams we never needed to worry about lag lol. Some people liked the lcds more so they phased out practically almost all the crts.
 
lcd's are better picture quality and easier on the eyes, BUT, nothing beats a quality crt for quake imo.
 
Well I only had the PS2 hooked up with composite cables so I'm not sure if that was the problem.

I'm wondering how well Guitar Hero 2 will work (if at all) on the PS3 with the PS2 cable adapter. I wonder if it does work, would there still be a delay from the 1080p upscaling over HDMI.
 
coolxboxgamer said:
lcd's are better picture quality and easier on the eyes, BUT, nothing beats a quality crt for quake imo.
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Actually I think a CRT's better at almost everything except carrying around :)
If they made a 16:9 CRT that was over 60" I'd be all over it...but it would weigh like 500 lbs.
Newer LCDs/Plasmas/Projections don't blur badly any longer, but compared to a CRT it's still night and day.
 
Domingo said:
Actually I think a CRT's better at almost everything except carrying around :)
If they made a 16:9 CRT that was over 60" I'd be all over it...but it would weigh like 500 lbs.
Newer LCDs/Plasmas/Projections don't blur badly any longer, but compared to a CRT it's still night and day.
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I have to agree, but I think you would probably get a huge amount of cancer sitting in front of a CRT that big. Not to mention your eyes falling out from eye strain.
 
Psychotext said:
Just another reason why HDTV screens are mostly a packaging upgrade over old CRTs. :(
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If that makes u feel better about still having a CRT, feel free to believe that.

my 60" XBR2 SXRD/LCOS set would definitely argue with that reasoning.
 
Domingo said:
Actually I think a CRT's better at almost everything except carrying around :)
If they made a 16:9 CRT that was over 60" I'd be all over it...but it would weigh like 500 lbs.
Newer LCDs/Plasmas/Projections don't blur badly any longer, but compared to a CRT it's still night and day.
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Definitely. I still use two 19" CRTs for my computer, and gaming. They have gotten lighter over the years, but I still hate carrying them around ;P
 
Domingo said:
Actually I think a CRT's better at almost everything except carrying around :)
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Yeah, the only thing CRTs used to really suffer with is needing a lot of maintenance to keep the picture perfect. There still aren't LCDs or Plasmas that can touch the overall quality of the best CRTs. SED was going to be the best replacement... but that looks like it's dead before it arrives.

End of the day, LCD and Plasma didn't win because they were better... they won because they're smaller, prettier and don't cost retailers and manufacturers a sh*tload of cash to move around.
 
CRTs are still the number 1 technology. I've seen some nice HDTV sets, but CRTs are the tried and true method for TVs still. The technology is pretty much perfected.

I considered buying a CRT HD, but decided to wait until this current technology gets better. I don't want a huge TV anymore, LCD, Plasmas, and hopefully SED soon are just so much better because they are small.

You can not play any of the Guitar Hero games with lag, it really sucks IMHO.

CRT > All others for quality
 
DaRat said:
CRTs are still the number 1 technology. I've seen some nice HDTV sets, but CRTs are the tried and true method for TVs still. The technology is pretty much perfected.

I considered buying a CRT HD, but decided to wait until this current technology gets better. I don't want a huge TV anymore, LCD, Plasmas, and hopefully SED soon are just so much better because they are small.

You can not play any of the Guitar Hero games with lag, it really sucks IMHO.

CRT > All others for quality
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You should play with a high end LCOS set. I think you would be convinced otherwise.

http://www.displaymate.com/LCoS_ShootOut_Part_D.htm

Interesting article on LCoS vs other displays including CRTs.
 
CRT technology i think has been perfected to a point where its going to take awhile until lcds and plasmas can catch up. I still use a crt for my gaming rig. I also heard if you play the wii, a crt hdtv is the best for the system since it doesn't distort the picture when in SD. Best of both worlds practically.

Crt monitors and tvs last longer to lol. Still have a 70s crt tv that works like a charm. Only time one blew up was because of over usage. Old taxan monitor with the touch screen ripped out cuz my dad brought it from work and screen was literally burned into the touch screen. It lasted until like last year. Made in 94 i think around that. :)

Probably in a few years lcds will catch up most likely though.
 
Yeah, I know my GC looked a lot better on my old 40" Sony Triniton. 480p is pretty much made for that TV, although it was just 4:3.
I'm on a 1080p TV (DLP) right now and the Wii looks pretty rough.
 
Domingo said:
Yeah, I know my GC looked a lot better on my old 40" Sony Triniton. 480p is pretty much made for that TV, although it was just 4:3.
I'm on a 1080p TV (DLP) right now and the Wii looks pretty rough.
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I got me a hold of some component cables for my GC. I'll take some pics of games on my HDTV using the GC. StarFox Assault, Zelda TP, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime all look really good using component cables... I was quite surprised.
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned yet that a good number of recent hdtvs have a 'game' mode that you can turn on to help with lag issues.

You might want to hunt around in your TV's menu to look for that.
 
Baker said:
So I haven't really noticed it myself, but my friends swear than when playing Guitar Hero 2 on my HDTV that it’s off by a little, compared to a SDTV. Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any solutions?

Personally I don't think it’s my TV, I think it’s their crappy ass burnt game with some stupid ass custom songs. But they beg to differ.

Not intending for this to degrade into "burnt games or the morality of it", just want to know about HDTV's and are there any signs of a slight delay when displaying games on them.
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The solution is to buy 300 dollar diamond encrusted monster cables.
 
definately try component cables, with composite it has to convert ananlog to digital for the picture and will cause lag on most HD sets.

The new 8th gen pioneer plasma's are pretty awesome, they have a game mode that will bypass most of the video processing and reduce lag, although picture suffers just a touch, also the elite version has a home media gallery which you can hook up to your home network and watch videos/movies! It also has better blacks, even over the 7th gen pioneers and other manufacturers plasma's.
 
Something I notice afew people missing is that most of your lag is coming from the TV's scalers. I can play GH2 on my 65" DLP with zero lag, but that's because my TV receives it as a 1080P signal, already scaled by the X360. My PS2 is nearly unplayable on GH2 due to the scalar being used on the TV. That causes lag and it is downright funky. There is no lag if you use the PS3 to play GH2, but there are no decent adapters to make the controller work (we tried it with teh standard PS3 controller- no lag, but a bitch to play like that).
 
Kil4Thril said:
Something I notice afew people missing is that most of your lag is coming from the TV's scalers. I can play GH2 on my 65" DLP with zero lag, but that's because my TV receives it as a 1080P signal, already scaled by the X360. My PS2 is nearly unplayable on GH2 due to the scalar being used on the TV. That causes lag and it is downright funky. There is no lag if you use the PS3 to play GH2, but there are no decent adapters to make the controller work (we tried it with teh standard PS3 controller- no lag, but a bitch to play like that).
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So you can't buy that PS2 controller adapter for the PS3 and plug the Guitar into it?
 
kumquat said:
BS.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that the OP has a Samsung DLP.
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I've already stated the TV I have, but I don't have a Samsung, I have a 46' Sharp AQUIS LCD 1080p

Again also, the copy of GH2 that my friends were playing was a burnt copy with a few extra "custom" songs. Which I think is the source of the problem, but next time they bring their PS2 over I'll try the calibration within GH2.
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I've got a new 2007 DLP (HLT6176S) and I'm not noticing any input lag. I'm a fighting game fanatic and if I'm not getting any - so there can't be too much. It's all about the "game" mode, although I didn't notice any in movie mode either.
 
kumquat said:
BS.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that the OP has a Samsung DLP.
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I could have bet dollars to donuts that this guy would come in here bashing Samsung DLP's ... aren't you the one with the magic plasma that you claim has no input lag whatsoever? I've said it before and I'll say it again ... EVERY SINGLE HDTV right now is going to have some input lag at this point. It's just the nature of the beast. IF you claim your TV doesn't have it, it's b/c you don't notice it. No offense, but do some research, these are FACTS. Even a TV with a 2 ms response time has 2 milliseconds of lag. That's what it means. I have a Samsung DLP and I have no problems at ALL playing anything. I have a PS3 and an Xbox 360, and I've played countless hours of Guitar Hero 2 on it, and I assure you, there's no problem.

The only things you can do are making sure you are using either Component or HDMI cables to connect your consoles, and make sure if you're playing a game like Guitar Hero 2, you calibrate it in-game to compensate for the lag. Another thing I've noticed some people doing is outputting their TV to a receiver using the Red/White analog connections ... you're creating a little bit of lag right there by doing that. Try to use a Digital out to your receiver to overcome this problem (Coax, Optical, HDMI).
 
icetrey47 said:
I could have bet dollars to donuts that this guy would come in here bashing Samsung DLP's ... aren't you the one with the magic plasma that you claim has no input lag whatsoever? I've said it before and I'll say it again ... EVERY SINGLE HDTV right now is going to have some input lag at this point. It's just the nature of the beast. IF you claim your TV doesn't have it, it's b/c you don't notice it. No offense, but do some research, these are FACTS. Even a TV with a 2 ms response time has 2 milliseconds of lag. That's what it means. I have a Samsung DLP and I have no problems at ALL playing anything. I have a PS3 and an Xbox 360, and I've played countless hours of Guitar Hero 2 on it, and I assure you, there's no problem.

The only things you can do are making sure you are using either Component or HDMI cables to connect your consoles, and make sure if you're playing a game like Guitar Hero 2, you calibrate it in-game to compensate for the lag. Another thing I've noticed some people doing is outputting their TV to a receiver using the Red/White analog connections ... you're creating a little bit of lag right there by doing that. Try to use a Digital out to your receiver to overcome this problem (Coax, Optical, HDMI).
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You're full of shit. Older (R and previous) Samsung DLPs are notorious for their input lag due to built-in image enhancement. They are far more popular than the other HDTVs that are known to have significant input lag.

There is nothing whatsoever that forces an HDTV to have perceptible input lag. Some, like older Samsung DLPs, do. It's a function of the TV itself, not the fact that it's an HDTV.

BTW, 2ms does not count as "input lag." Input lag is perceptible.
 
kumquat said:
You're full of shit. Older (R and previous) Samsung DLPs are notorious for their input lag due to built-in image enhancement. They are far more popular than the other HDTVs that are known to have significant input lag.

There is nothing whatsoever that forces an HDTV to have perceptible input lag. Some, like older Samsung DLPs, do. It's a function of the TV itself, not the fact that it's an HDTV.

BTW, 2ms does not count as "input lag." Input lag is perceptible.
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Yeah I'm full of shit eh? That's what a child says when he can't think of something intelligent to say. Just b/c you can't perceive 2 ms doesn't mean it's not there ... you do know what response time means right?

I don't have a problem with you claiming your set has no noticeable input lag. What I do have a problem with is you generalizing not only all Samsung DLP's, but constantly claiming it's BS when people talk about input lag on HDTVs. You seriously do not know what you're talking about.

I have a Samsung HLS series and I assure you not a single person that has played a game on it has "noticed any lag" ... I'm not about to say it's not there though, it just takes certain games to bring it out. You are correct about the some of the older Samsung models, but please stop generalizing them all into one category of being pieces of shit.
 
icetrey47 said:
Yeah I'm full of shit eh? That's what a child says when he can't think of something intelligent to say. Just b/c you can't perceive 2 ms doesn't mean it's not there ... you do know what response time means right?

I don't have a problem with you claiming your set has no noticeable input lag. What I do have a problem with is you generalizing not only all Samsung DLP's, but constantly claiming it's BS when people talk about input lag on HDTVs. You seriously do not know what you're talking about.

I have a Samsung HLS series and I assure you not a single person that has played a game on it has "noticed any lag" ... I'm not about to say it's not there though, it just takes certain games to bring it out. You are correct about the some of the older Samsung models, but please stop generalizing them all into one category of being pieces of shit.
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Again, you're full of shit.

I have never said all Samsung DLPs have input lag. I've said older R and previous DLPs have input lag. The S and newer series have game modes that eliminate input lag. This is common knowledge.

I also never claimed it's BS when people talk about input lag on HDTVs. Lots of HDTVs have input lag. This is also common knowledge.

What *is* BS is when people claim that an HDTV has input lag because it's an HDTV. Many HDTVs do not have input lag.

Did you even read my first post in this thread? It was calling BS on the guy who said "All HDTV's have input lag."

You and I appear to be arguing the same point, but you have some huge problem with me doing it.
 
Find me an HDTV with a 0 ms response time and some information to back it up and I'll reconsider my stance. Like I said before, just b/c you don't personally notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

Anyone casually reading this post would assume you were making a huge generalization about the entire Samsung DLP product line once they came across your "dollars to donuts" comment. :)
 
icetrey47 said:
Anyone casually reading this post would assume you were making a huge generalization about the entire Samsung DLP product line once they came across your "dollars to donuts" comment. :)
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It's not a huge generalization. It's a simple fact. Every DLP that Samsung put out for 2 (or 3?) years (there were a lot of them) had unavoidable significant input lag.

They fixed it in newer versions, but the vast majority of the time I see people complaining about input lag, they are using an HLR or HLP Samsung DLP.

You have an HLS.

Get over it already.
 
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