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DDC with Aqua Computer controller

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This may be old news for some and they don't appear to be in local stock here in the states as yet, but now Laing DDC users and their variants can utilize Aqua Computer controllers with their fantastic Aquasuite software!

The basics:

  • Adjustable start burst
  • Measure the maximum speed
  • Adjustable deaeration - program
  • Adjustable voltage to pump
  • Adjustable rotation value
  • Send the RPM signal to the mainboard or produce an "ok signal" in the controller
  • Speed monitor with renewed burst if the pump stops
  • Connects to any USB port

Besides all these features you are able to configure the controller parameters including a max. and min. rotation speed which is important for other pumps.

The controller has programmable jumpers which can be used with presets.

Little bonus: you can connect a flow meter to the controller.

The Poweradjust controller is available as standard (with 3.5" mount and as LT version (No mount). Price starts at 29.90 Euro including cable and the Aquasuite software.

The standard version (30W) is air-cooled and it is possible to water cool it with a voltage regulator block for Abit boards (see third picture).

The circuit board:

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Water cooled AC controller???

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Controller with 3.5" hardware or mount it anywhere with an LT version (no mounting hardware):

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Controller and DDC:

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Controller software (Sorry for it being in German. If I can find the English screen I will post it here later)

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You won't find any english screenshots in the AC forum ;)

But I have them :p

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poweradjust_4.png
 
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Thanks Shoggy! I think I will visit Sharka today and order one just for fun on my work computer. I like the look of the plexi tops on the DDC and an Aquasuite enabled piece of hardware makes it all so more lovely.
 
Just went over to Sharka today and ordered one of the Poweradjust controllers. Once it gets here I will get a Laing DDC of one type or another with the Alphacool plexi top. I think I can mount the Poweradjust directly to the Alphacool top or maybe even the Laing body. All that extra wiring needs to be shortened up a bit. :)
 
Not to shabby, for something that even lots of non AC users could enjoy. The price isn't too bad either for what it is.....still something I personally wouldn't use in most cases.
 
Top Nurse said:
Yeah I know as it takes a certain amount of sophistication to use this kind of product. :p
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You mean like the type of sophistication to actually make that device? (Because that is the type of sophistication I (almost, CpE student) have right now)
 
I see this is using 509 impulses per liter. Did this come from Laing? I am interested in this product after messing around with the bigNG stuff by mcubed. They used 509 impulses/minute and did not match my flow from the rpm cable. I read that the DDC gives 2 impulse per RPM. My pump does 4500 rpm.

How is this calcualting flow? Or is it looking at flow?

Thanks,
 
Hmm, is that the same pump that everybody says is the best pump around?
 
What's the top do?

Also, there's a DDC and a DDC+, right? Does this one work with the DDC+?
 
Halk said:
What's the top do?

Also, there's a DDC and a DDC+, right? Does this one work with the DDC+?
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I believe the DDC+ is 18w, so it should... I also thought the pump in the picture above was the DDC+, hard to tell from that specific angle... May not be though, as the pump barbs appear to be threaded?

The real way to tell is by the colour of the impeller, by reading the sticker or the circuit board.

The top it's self increases the head pressure available to the pump.
 
So can I take it as read that it will produce more flow and pressure than the AquaStream I'm currently using?
 
Halk said:
So can I take it as read that it will produce more flow and pressure than the AquaStream I'm currently using?
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Not sure, I've never tested an aquastream myself. The internet seems to think so.

It's a cross between the eheim 1046 and 1048 from what I recall.
 
can this link up directly to Aquaero, so that I can use Aquaero's hardware-based monitoring feature to monitor the health of my pump, and shut my pc down if it die?
 
Halk said:
What's the top do?

Also, there's a DDC and a DDC+, right? Does this one work with the DDC+?
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Not sure yet, but I believe it works with any DDC pump.

For those who are interested there are 20 of these Poweradjust units are coming into the states in June. I already ordered 2 of them and I think a few others have already been sold as well. If your interested you can call Wes at Sharka for particulars.
 
Top Nurse said:
Not sure yet, but I believe it works with any DDC pump.

For those who are interested there are 20 of these Poweradjust units are coming into the states in June. I already ordered 2 of them and I think a few others have already been sold as well. If your interested you can call Wes at Sharka for particulars.
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Well, if I do order one I'm going to try ordering direct from Germany. I'm in the UK, so it shouldn't be too bad.

You're someone that's going to know the answer though. Will it out perform an AquaStream, and if it does, will it outperform it by much?
 
Snyxxx said:
I see this is using 509 impulses per liter. Did this come from Laing? I am interested in this product after messing around with the bigNG stuff by mcubed. They used 509 impulses/minute and did not match my flow from the rpm cable. I read that the DDC gives 2 impulse per RPM. My pump does 4500 rpm.

How is this calcualting flow? Or is it looking at flow?

Thanks,
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Not sure, but I think the alarm settings are essentially to determine whether the pump is working or not. The reason you see a flow graph is that I assume that the Poweradjust controller can utilize a flow meter.
 
Halk said:
You're someone that's going to know the answer though. Will it out perform an AquaStream, and if it does, will it outperform it by much?
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I don't think she's ever used the DDC+ though, so it's pretty much a stalemate here in terms of actual knowledge :D
 
Arcygenical said:
I don't think she's ever used the DDC+ though, so it's pretty much a stalemate here in terms of actual knowledge :D
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Top Nurse, your mission should you choose to accept it, is to get hold of the DDC and test it against an Aquastream!
 
Halk said:
Well, if I do order one I'm going to try ordering direct from Germany. I'm in the UK, so it shouldn't be too bad.

You're someone that's going to know the answer though. Will it out perform an AquaStream, and if it does, will it outperform it by much?
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If your in the UK you should order from Aqua-PC's.
 
I plagiarized this off the Aqua-PC's site: :eek:

The new USB controller poweradjust for Laing pumps is available. With the help of this smart unit you are able to control ypur Laing pump or other stuff with a max. power of 30W. The controller uses a programmable DC voltage (no PWM).

For the Laing pump it will offer you the following features:

- parameterizable start burst
- measurement of the maximum speed
- parameterizable deaeration-program
- adjustable voltage
- adjustable rotation value
- passing the tachosignal to the mainboard or
- production of a "ok signal" in the controller
- speed monitor with renewed burst if the pump stops

Besides all these features you are able to configure the controlling rules including a max. and min. rotation speed which is important for other pumps.

The controller has programmable jumpers which can be used with presets. You can also connect a flow meter to the controller.

The standard version (30W) is air-cooled while it is possible to watercool it with a voltage regulator block for Abit boards
 
Generally I buy my stuff from http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/ Graeme there is very helpful.

But I'd like to see how ordering direct from Germany goes. They previously did not accept Credit Card payments, but now they do. In addition, I don't mind paying the extra to UK retailers when I'm ordering one or two things. But since I (might) be ordering an Aquaero, PowerAdjust, Radiator and might even upgrade my Cuplex Pro to a double impact XT then I think I might get a decent saving from Germany.
 
FatboyHK said:
can this link up directly to Aquaero, so that I can use Aquaero's hardware-based monitoring feature to monitor the health of my pump, and shut my pc down if it die?
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It won't link to the Aquaero, but it will show up in the Aquasuite.
 
Halk said:
Generally I buy my stuff from http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/ Graeme there is very helpful.

But I'd like to see how ordering direct from Germany goes. They previously did not accept Credit Card payments, but now they do. In addition, I don't mind paying the extra to UK retailers when I'm ordering one or two things. But since I (might) be ordering an Aquaero, PowerAdjust, Radiator and might even upgrade my Cuplex Pro to a double impact XT then I think I might get a decent saving from Germany.
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Sorry, forgot about Kustom PC's. :eek:

I don't think you will see any difference in price.
 
Which brings me to another question that went unanswered on the AquaComputer forums.

Will I see any difference in core temps between a Cuplex Pro and a Cuplex XT DI.... Finally found somewhere I can ask about AC stuff and get a reply, might as well ask everything :)
 
Halk said:
Which brings me to another question that went unanswered on the AquaComputer forums.

Will I see any difference in core temps between a Cuplex Pro and a Cuplex XT DI.... Finally found somewhere I can ask about AC stuff and get a reply, might as well ask everything :)
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Just a guess, but I would say yes. AC rarely puts out stuff that doesn't work as it is engineered to do. They have made products that would have sold zillions, but never released it for one reason or another.

The Cuplex XT dropped a degree or two off the Cuplex Pro. I ordered a Cuplex XT DI just for the fun of it as I like the look and suspect it will work well.
 
Anyone have any input on my earlier post in regards to the impulse rate for the DDC and the poweradjust? None of the screenshots show the green flow line changinh, only power and rpm. Maybe it cannot calculate the flow from the pump?
 
Halk said:
So can I take it as read that it will produce more flow and pressure than the AquaStream I'm currently using?
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Yes, but it is reported to be much more noisy from those who have both. However, flow ain't everything it's cracked up to be. I recently ran a test with my Aquastream comparing the default speed and the OC speed that nets about double the flow. IIRC, it only changed about 1.5 C in the water temp.
 
Snyxxx said:
Anyone have any input on my earlier post in regards to the impulse rate for the DDC and the poweradjust? None of the screenshots show the green flow line changinh, only power and rpm. Maybe it cannot calculate the flow from the pump?
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As I said before I believe the flow chart is reflecting an actual flow meter (accessory) that has been inserted into the loop and attached to the Poweradjust controller. Perhaps Shoggy or Slame will drop by soon and help us all out. :)
 
Top Nurse said:
Yes, but it is reported to be much more noisy from those who have both. However, flow ain't everything it's cracked up to be. I recently ran a test with my Aquastream comparing the default speed and the OC speed that nets about double the flow. IIRC, it only changed about 1.5 C in the water temp.
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Did it make any real difference to the CPU temperature? Water temps are fine (once I get the fan speeds on the radiator sorted out), I'm just thinking that it might make an impact on how hot the CPU gets when it's overvolted, overclocked and under heavy load.
 
Halk said:
Did it make any real difference to the CPU temperature? Water temps are fine (once I get the fan speeds on the radiator sorted out), I'm just thinking that it might make an impact on how hot the CPU gets when it's overvolted, overclocked and under heavy load.
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Don't know and don't care. After watching both the CPU diode and the water temps for a while I found they closely correlated so I quit looking at the CPU. If your water cooling pay attention to the water temp assuming you have a good mounting of the CPU.
 
Top Nurse said:
I plagiarized this off the Aqua-PC's site: :eek:

The new USB controller poweradjust for Laing pumps is available. With the help of this smart unit you are able to control ypur Laing pump or other stuff with a max. power of 30W. The controller uses a programmable DC voltage (no PWM).

For the Laing pump it will offer you the following features:

- parameterizable start burst
- measurement of the maximum speed
- parameterizable deaeration-program
- adjustable voltage
- adjustable rotation value
- passing the tachosignal to the mainboard or
- production of a "ok signal" in the controller
- speed monitor with renewed burst if the pump stops

Besides all these features you are able to configure the controlling rules including a max. and min. rotation speed which is important for other pumps.

The controller has programmable jumpers which can be used with presets. You can also connect a flow meter to the controller.

The standard version (30W) is air-cooled while it is possible to watercool it with a voltage regulator block for Abit boards
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Also, this is from AquaComputers site. This is the full blurb.

The poweradjust USB controller was developed by aqua computer especially for the control of Laing DDC pumps. The controller distributes a programmable direct voltage (no PWM). For the Laing pumps the followings features are integrated:

- Parameterizable start burst.
- Measuring of the maximum speed
- Parameterizable deaeration program
- Firm output voltage or manually selected speed
- Characteristics for the speed are fully configurable
- Passing the rpm-signal of the pump to the mainboard, or generate an artificial rpm-signal which stops in case of errors
- Monitoring of rpm-signal with a renewed burst at standstill
- Programmable jumpers for different pre-defined output powers
- USB communication to the PC.
- Comfortable software for the configuration of the poweradjust USB
- Completely integrated into the software aquasuite

As a small extra the poweradjust USB has connectivity for a flow rate sensor including the possibility for fault detection.

Moreover, the poweradjust USB also has an alternative power output which can be used for other pumps or very efficient fans with rpm-signal. The maximum load capacity is 2.5A at 12V (30W total load capacity).

At heavy usage, primarily at a low output voltage, the circuit board layout allows the exchange of the passive cooling block with a water-cooled block (optional accessories).

The poweradjust USB is also available as a LT variant. This is suitable for the internal installation and has all functions, but it does not have a bay mount.
 
I usually get the bay mount type and if I don't use them I throw the mountings in the AC junk box. :D

Who but AC would ever think to water cool a water cooling controller? :eek:
 
Top Nurse said:
I usually get the bay mount type and if I don't use them I throw the mountings in the AC junk box. :D

Who but AC would ever think to water cool a water cooling controller? :eek:
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The important thing I picked up from the AC blurb as opposed to the one you cut and pasted is that the mosfets on the Aquaero get hotter at lower voltages. I'm thinking running them all at 7V might be enough to cause a bit of heat.

This is where I need someone to go ahead and test stuff for me.

If I do get it, the last thing I want to do is add another block to my loop if it isn't needed. Nor do I want to have to take the whole thing apart to incorporate a new block because it's overheating....
 
I think your confusing the Aquaero with the Poweradjust. The reason they put that water block on the controller was because they already make a product that would fit. Also because it can be used for other things besides a DDC and that may generate more heat than the DDC use.

The more voltage and current going through any solid state device will cause it to increase the heat. Except peltiers of course. :)
 
Talked with Wes at Sharka yesterday and he says my Poweradjust units will be here this month. That leaves only 18 left for you all. :D
 
Looks like it might be in August. :mad: I don't understand why AC takes three (3) months to fulfill a Sharka order and can ship to distributors elsewhere without any of these problems...
 
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