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Dashpuppy's New Virtual Server

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dashpuppy

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Well, its been a few months / weeks since i started gathering goodies.

Today my Norto RPC-470 case arrived, few weeks ago my Intel server motherboard arrived with 8 gigs of DDR3 memory. Now just to order a nice 1000watt psu My Xeon LGA1156 3430 and a few hard drives ( im thinking 6 2 tb drives in raid5 )

The server is going to house a vew vm's for the house and one or two for playing with.

After this box is done and built i will be saving $$ for the norco 20bay hotswap case and then goodies to fill it.

Will post some more pics, as the progress goes on.

Case :

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Board & Ram
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Dash, question.

Why the 4U case? Was it the number of bays or air flow? And why the need for 1000w PSU?

I'm looking to build two ESXi hosts soon. I'd prefer a 1U to 2U.
 
spiderjericho said:
Dash, question.

Why the 4U case? Was it the number of bays or air flow? And why the need for 1000w PSU?

I'm looking to build two ESXi hosts soon. I'd prefer a 1U to 2U.
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4u case allows more air flow quieter fans, this case can take up to 11 hard drives, I'm not sure ill put that many inside it, but most likly 6 drives.

2U is nice, but its louder. This case takes a standard power supply, i might go 800watt, ill see tho, no need to put in a under powered power supply to have it over work and create a'lot more heat because it's working harder.

I was thinking about esxi, but i am liking 2008r2 with hyperv.

Air flow is key for me, i'm putting it into a rack and want to keep the air flowing through and keeping everything cool.

Just installed the motherboard and 8 gigs of ram. Now to order the cpu and some drives.

For now, I'm using my other hyper v box till this one is up, then ill learn how to move that server to this one :)

J'
 
Looks good.

I've been looking at the Norco 470 and 450 cases for an iSCSI box. Not sure if you looked at both, but if so what made you pick the 470 with the 80mm fan board over the 450 with 2 120mm fans for the hard drive cages? I think I'm leaning more towards the 450 because of that, plus the 450 is generally a little cheaper (though only like $10 or something).
 
farscapesg1 said:
Looks good.

I've been looking at the Norco 470 and 450 cases for an iSCSI box. Not sure if you looked at both, but if so what made you pick the 470 with the 80mm fan board over the 450 with 2 120mm fans for the hard drive cages? I think I'm leaning more towards the 450 because of that, plus the 450 is generally a little cheaper (though only like $10 or something).
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the 470 was cheaper for me, i paid 89$ for it, i got it at cost :)

THe 470 has 5 3" fans inside pulling air through the chassis, and 2 3" fans at the rear helping pull the air OUT of the chassis, at the front where the hard drives slide in, there are 2 4-5" cant remember the exact size of the fans that blow air right directly over the hard drive's. This is perfect to keep the raided hard drives cool, that are going to make LOTS of heat.

WIth the 470, i plan on moding the Fans to better quieter ones, and will build a voltage regulator to change the voltage a little so the fans are not running at full rpm unless its getting to warm.

I have a Norco 2u case under my desk running my Untangle firewall, its warm with only 1 hard drive the board 2 nic's and a power supply, because of the limited room from board to top of case the heat doesn't really move around or through the unit to good, i need to get a better cpu heat sink and have the air pass through the sink, instead of the stock lga775 intel heat sink. All the stock one does is blow air around, if i change that to a different low profile kind it would be much better.
 
dashpuppy said:
4u case allows more air flow quieter fans, this case can take up to 11 hard drives, I'm not sure ill put that many inside it, but most likly 6 drives.

This case takes a standard power supply, i might go 800watt, ill see tho, no need to put in a under powered power supply to have it over work and create a'lot more heat because it's working harder.

I was thinking about esxi, but i am liking 2008r2 with hyperv.

Air flow is key for me, i'm putting it into a rack and want to keep the air flowing through and keeping everything cool.
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Yeah, I was looking at the same case for the reasons you cited (an ATX powersupply and the airflow/case fans). I plan on using one for a GNS3 host whenever Sandybridge drops (it's supposed to have 25 percent better performance, so hopefully it allows me to use Windows with GNS instead of using Linux, which I know diddly about).

Has anyone used Hyperv vs. ESXi? My org is using ESX but I have a technet account. It would be awesome if you can get them to talk.

I look forward to seeing the final pictures.
 
spiderjericho said:
Yeah, I was looking at the same case for the reasons you cited (an ATX powersupply and the airflow/case fans). I plan on using one for a GNS3 host whenever Sandybridge drops (it's supposed to have 25 percent better performance, so hopefully it allows me to use Windows with GNS instead of using Linux, which I know diddly about).

Has anyone used Hyperv vs. ESXi? My org is using ESX but I have a technet account. It would be awesome if you can get them to talk.

I look forward to seeing the final pictures.
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I haven't used ESXi, but i really like the Hyperv i have a technet account also, since my work uses hyper v alot with stuff, i thought about learning it, i have the tools the resources and equipment so i might as well use it and learn it. I'm more valuable to the company if i know and use the stuff they use.

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That's a good mentality to have. What impresses me the most is the use of your own money to build a server and get a technet account (or use one). Hopefully, it's a tax write off.

Hmm...I wonder if you can setup a Hyper-V in a ESX? I know you can do ESX inside of ESX.
 
spiderjericho said:
That's a good mentality to have. What impresses me the most is the use of your own money to build a server and get a technet account (or use one). Hopefully, it's a tax write off.

Hmm...I wonder if you can setup a Hyper-V in a ESX? I know you can do ESX inside of ESX.
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Thank you :) just made my day.

I'm self employed, so i use my resources to live off of, and learn with and feed my family. If I can find used equipment to use and learn with then I do!
 
I've used both and I like esxi MUCH better, much more mature product and a little more advanced configuration.

I run both esxi and hyper-v at home as well as at work. I like the linux support that vmware just does with no fucking around. I like how light on resources the host is vs win2k8r2.

I also have esxi running from a uisb thumb drive on my box at the house which is nice.
 
sc0tty8 said:
I've used both and I like esxi MUCH better, much more mature product and a little more advanced configuration.

I run both esxi and hyper-v at home as well as at work. I like the linux support that vmware just does with no fucking around. I like how light on resources the host is vs win2k8r2.

I also have esxi running from a uisb thumb drive on my box at the house which is nice.
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Well my new server box has a USB header for esxi / memory stick i might try it, just not sure yet.
 
dashpuppy said:
Well my new server box has a USB header for esxi / memory stick i might try it, just not sure yet.
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all the esx hosts in our datacenter run off 8g usb keys that are plugged in internally. pretty sweet little setup IMO. as far as which to use esx vs hyperv i'd have to go with esx just for maturity. microsoft is and will continue to throw asinine amounts of money on hyperv to get a competing product. but for now i'd personally stick with vmware.
 
B1zz said:
all the esx hosts in our datacenter run off 8g usb keys that are plugged in internally. pretty sweet little setup IMO. as far as which to use esx vs hyperv i'd have to go with esx just for maturity. microsoft is and will continue to throw asinine amounts of money on hyperv to get a competing product. but for now i'd personally stick with vmware.
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I've never seen a computer with an internal USB port. And most of the articles I've heard say the same thing about VMware vs. Hyper-V. I'd like to give them both a shot. I asked this earlier but can you hypervisor within hypervisor (Hyper-V in ESX)?

And Dashpuppy, what's up with the final product (or did you post it in another thread)?
 
spiderjericho said:
I've never seen a computer with an internal USB port. And most of the articles I've heard say the same thing about VMware vs. Hyper-V. I'd like to give them both a shot. I asked this earlier but can you hypervisor within hypervisor (Hyper-V in ESX)?

And Dashpuppy, what's up with the final product (or did you post it in another thread)?
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I thought I read somewhere that you could with vmware workstation, not sure about esxi. Maybe if I get bored today I'll try it:)
 
spiderjericho said:
I've never seen a computer with an internal USB port. And most of the articles I've heard say the same thing about VMware vs. Hyper-V. I'd like to give them both a shot. I asked this earlier but can you hypervisor within hypervisor (Hyper-V in ESX)?

And Dashpuppy, what's up with the final product (or did you post it in another thread)?
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i suppose you could in theory......networking and performance issues would be abundant methinks, but if all you want is a sandbox to play in, i don't see why not.
 
ESXi in ESX(i) or on VMware Workstation and Fusino is supported. Hyper-V isn't. Might work..probably won't. Take a good speed hit. I do it for lab demos but that's it.
 
ok, guys, the only 2 reasons why i'm still running hyper-V is because :

A) i need to learn LOTS about it so i can support it at work with the company i work with.

B) it allows me to REMOTE in from anywhere and create a new virtual machine wirh RDP off any computer i own mac pc linux.

Having strong knowledge about hyper-v will help me at work TONS i can be a supporter and someone onsite that i can help the other members with when trouble shooting.
 
Sweet system Dash!!! I really, really like the U4 cases as they offer much more air flow and a ton of storage space. :)
 
stinger608 said:
Sweet system Dash!!! I really, really like the U4 cases as they offer much more air flow and a ton of storage space. :)
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Thanks dude ! yes 10 Hard drives will make this case warm up, BUT having the fans blow air over them will keep them cool, less chance of them failing if they are kept cooler.

I am not allowed to buy anything till after xmas :) thats what the wife told me just in case i get some stuff for xmas LOL

Sure hope it's a ipad tho :)
 
GOt my server running, lots of tweeks to do in the INTEL bios.

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5 drives, 3 raided main drives for the host, & 2 raided for the storage for the VM's.

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Configuring the new server,
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Looks good.

What VM's do you run ( or planning to run) on it?

Any of them in a production environment? or is this all 1 big Sandbox for you?
 
If you were running ESXi and had a box managing it running VCenter then you could remote into it and create VM's from any machine too. ESXi is just far more efficient at managing RAM and CPU then Hyper V. You can actually over subscribe with ESXi and the system can manage it, something Hyper V can't quite do yet; in other words you could create and run VM's on ESXi with ram that adds up to more then the 16GB you have, and the system would manage it, performance would not be great but it could run, Hyper V could not.
 
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