Current IPS gaming champion?

xeefus

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hello there, I'm getting incredibly tired of my BenQ XL2410T cause of it's terrible colors and details in dark areas. super happy with it other than that, but yeah... 3D just makes my head hurt and I don't play as much FPS as I used to.

so, I'm now looking to buy an IPS monitor as a replacement. the only requirements I have is it to be at least 1920x1080, black bezel and connect via DVI or DisplayPort. a big plus is if it actually can run 75Hz in low resolutions, say 960x540 which is what I use for my FPS games.

so.. yeah.. is there any that can compete with my XL2410T in terms of input lag?
I currently have a dell U2311H as secondary monitor which is fast but not fast enough I believe.

Thanks!
 

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hello there, I'm getting incredibly tired of my BenQ XL2410T cause of it's terrible colors and details in dark areas. super happy with it other than that, but yeah... 3D just makes my head hurt and I don't play as much FPS as I used to.

so, I'm now looking to buy an IPS monitor as a replacement. the only requirements I have is it to be at least 1920x1080, black bezel and connect via DVI or DisplayPort. a big plus is if it actually can run 75Hz in low resolutions, say 960x540 which is what I use for my FPS games.

so.. yeah.. is there any that can compete with my XL2410T in terms of input lag?
I currently have a dell U2311H as secondary monitor which is fast but not fast enough I believe.

Thanks!

Probably not, Dell U2311H is among the IPS displays with lowest input lag and it is pretty fast for an IPS as well. If you aint happy with U2311H for games you probably will not be happy with any IPS for games.

It would be E2370V in that case but we dont know much about it yet.
 
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Probably not, Dell U2311H is among the IPS displays with lowest input lag and it is pretty fast for an IPS as well. If you aint happy with U2311H for games you probably will not be happy with any IPS for games.

Agree.

Xeefus, Are you already running your Dell at 75Hz?
 

xeefus

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hmm well that's a little disappointing, it is like almost a year old. was hoping the technology would have gone further somewhat in that area.

why is it that there is little info on the E2370V? hasn't it been out for a month or so now?
it also seems to have the same Thru-Mode as their 120Hz monitor no? or is this something I've misunderstood? I think I read it's supposed to reduce the input lag.

and yeah I play in 2D all of the time actually, but that doesn't change the fact it has terrible color quality (and viewing angles) :p

thanks - hope someone has something to say about the E2370V!

Snowdog: yes I am, it runs 75Hz up to 1280x720 - so I have 960x540 with 75Hz on it. why so?
 

xeefus

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hmm no I honestly don't notice an increase in speed with 75Hz... still has a bit of input lag :(
so you don't actually think the E2370V with Thru-Mode will be faster than the Dell?

and would 120Hz really mean lower input lag?

thanks!
 

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Input lag is already so low it is difficult to measure.

60Hz has frames that last ~16ms, 120Hz has frames that last 8ms.

So essentially 120Hz can potentially react 8ms faster than a 60 Hz monitor. If you are ultra sensitive you man notice the difference.

I don't really notice 30ms of input lag...
 

xeefus

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well I think when using it, it's really easy to notice.. but then again I've played competitive FPS for a decade now, so I might be a bit demanding.

I'm not sure how much input lag the dell has actually, but it is noticable when comparing it to the BenQ - or even a CRT, which I used to have for too many years.

I'm going to have to look around and see if anyone tests the E2370V soon, doesn't look too sleek tbh but eh sometimes you have to sacrifice looks for performance. :p

is the U2311H the fastest of the dell bunch by the way? I read somewhere that the 22" model could possibly be faster?

thanks
 

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The Dell has no lag, so how can there be a noticeable difference? How can there be faster than no lag? What do you want, a monitor that predicts the future?

Are you sure lag is the problem? Maybe you're noticing a difference in refresh rates and response times, in which case, nothing will beat a 120 Hz TN except a CRT.

There are no 120 Hz IPS monitors right now. The most responsive IPS monitor I've seen is the Dell 2209WA at 76 Hz, and the highest refresh rate I've seen is 83 Hz on the NEC EA231WMi (but slower response times).
 

xeefus

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not sure how you're measuring but there is definitely input lag in games that run 125 FPS at least.

and no my old 75Hz had less input lag (Samsung 206BW) than my Dell, I can assure you it's not placebo since I compared them side by side a number of times.

numbers on that timer test shows the same but in games it's a different story it appears.

I'm quite sure some people will agree with me

thanks!
 

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When measured accurately the U2311H has no lag confirmed by PRAD. It is only possible to get a monitor with a faster response time (less ghosting).

When you run games above 75fps on 75hz you are bound to encounter screen tearing (doesn't create lag but is annoying) and FPS drops/unstable framerates (especially over 100fps) which is probablly the "lag," you are noticing.
 

xeefus

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very strange - is there more than one revision of it? I'm about as one can get that it has input lag. maybe I should get another one and try it out?

I am very aware of the tearing thing so that's not to worry about, I can live with it. :)

thanks!
 

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Not what this thread is about, but there are IPS monitors with a faster response time.


Average ghosting over ten frames
U2311
0,7 colored, 0,4 transparent
http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/88/8930/U2311H-reactivite.jpg
U2410
0,4 colored, 0,3 transparent
http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/88/6194/U2410_reactivite.jpg
2209WA
0,4 colored, 0,25? transparent
http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/produits/88/4605/Web-Alex(37).jpg


Most likely there are several revisions, pull out the slide? located by the USB ports to see what revision your's is and when it was manufactured.
 

xeefus

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Revision A01 it says, made in Czech Republic... I didn't find a slide though?
 

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xeefus

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I see... well hmm, then the U2410 is not really interesting I suppose.

too bad the 2209WA only has 1680x1050, it can be had for around 280 euros here in Sweden.

I'll have to revaluate this and maybe just not care too much about the really really really tiny input lag the U2311H has...
 

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Just get a colorimeter like the Eye One Display 2 and fix the colors on the BenQ.
 

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U2311H and NEC EA231wmi use the same panel. They are among the fastest IPS panels you can use when you enable gaming mode. The problem with these monitors as mentioned above is not input lag but ghosting when making sudden turns/strafing. Ghosting will result in afterimages which will create a blurring or sliding effect in my experience.

PS Another thing you have to watch out for with some IPS panels is the antiglare treatment. Some people don't like it, some people like me don't really notice it but this can cause 'grainy' looking effect. Still overall IPS has the best display quality in terms of color accuracy and viewing angles, so I'll live with the drawbacks.
 

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Isn't the U2311 a 6 bit IPS panel and not a true 8 bit panel?
 

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No what I mean is. Since its only 6 bit why not get a TN panel and save $100.
 

xeefus

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hmm? are any of the other mentioned gaming friendly IPS ones 8 bit panels?

I'm not sure if the real life difference is big but I do some hobby photography and the dell is really a lot nicer for the editing part. are details in dark areas just simply terrible on TN or is it my settings that make it terrible? cause I have my TN screen a bit brighter than the IPS...
which is one of the bigger issues I have with the monitor, that and the viewing angles + colors.

stop making me so confused :confused:

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8bit vs 6bit is vastly over-rated. It is pretty much impossible to tell the difference in normal usage.

This is not the reason to avoid TN panels. It is the terrible viewing angles on TN panels that are the main downside.
 

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8bit vs 6bit is vastly over-rated. It is pretty much impossible to tell the difference in normal usage.

This is not the reason to avoid TN panels. It is the terrible viewing angles on TN panels that are the main downside.

It's not the viewing angles, it's the lightbleed that is the main downside.
 

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Was wondering: do you play at native resolution or a lower one?
Because if you play on a lower resolution it's normal that it has some input lag, being that electronics have to scale the image.
 

xeefus

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Was wondering: do you play at native resolution or a lower one?
Because if you play on a lower resolution it's normal that it has some input lag, being that electronics have to scale the image.

oh is that so.. interesting! well that might be something to test then.

I'm starting to think I should perhaps get another U2311H now since it IS a nice monitor and it would look nice with two of them... :)

I suppose we could call this a thread from my part unless someone has something to add, thanks a lot
 

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Well it's a decent monitor and seeing how the almost similar LG IPS226/236 apparently both do 76khz in their native res you might try that to get a more responsive monitor and not get the input lag of lower resolutions.
 

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Well it's a decent monitor and seeing how the almost similar LG IPS226/236 apparently both do 76khz in their native res you might try that to get a more responsive monitor and not get the input lag of lower resolutions.

I've got both the 226 and 236 in front of me now. If you can handle the real estate loss the 226 is superior in every way. contrast ratio, response time, input lag, tinting, all better on the 226. The e2370v is basically a game oriented 236 and has Thru mode so it should at least improve the input lag, no idea on response time though and ofc the contrast ratio and tinting wouldn't be improved.
 

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It's not the viewing angles, it's the lightbleed that is the main downside.

IPS is just as bad as TN in this regard, if not worse because of the glow.

More bad advice

Best to stay away from the IPS236V/231p for gaming, they are both very slow for gaming (refer to links for Review info).

PRAD's IPS236V had a 700:1 contrast ratio which is terrible. Yuck more panel pottery garbage with tinting and widly varying contrast ratios (NEC EA232 suffers from this as well). At least the U2311H is consistent in terms of PQ and has a fast response time.
 
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IPS is just as bad as TN in this regard, if not worse because of the glow.

TN has off angle glow as well so it is a wash. The main issue with TN is the terrible viewing angles.
 

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well I just got a very big "duh" moment... now I have the U2311H as primary monitor, should I really bother with another one?

haha, I mean it WOULD look nice with another one but do I really need it, I only have my terminal, IRC, IM client and music playlist on that screen. nothing that needs good quality or so. but it would once again look very nice with two... do they have any 20" 4:3 that have the same bezel or so?
 

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When measured accurately the U2311H has no lag confirmed by PRAD. It is only possible to get a monitor with a faster response time (less ghosting).

When you run games above 75fps on 75hz you are bound to encounter screen tearing (doesn't create lag but is annoying) and FPS drops/unstable framerates (especially over 100fps) which is probablly the "lag," you are noticing.

I trust TFT Central more than Prad but to each their own. I also own the XL2410T and I use 120hz without 3d glasses for gaming and my projector for everything else. The insanely low input lag is a god-send for FPS titles. I too found input lag and ghosting on the Dell u2311 as well as every other IPS I've used.

EDIT: I'd sell your Dell U2311 and buy a Benq BL2400PT to go with your XL2410T... that way you have one monitor for Browsing, movies and photos and another for gaming. I'm not a huge IPS fan because Contrast ratio and black depth mean more to me than uber accuracy. Of the 6 different LCDs I've owned and tried the XL2410T is the best for gaming BY FAR.
 
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xeefus

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I'm fine with the Dell really, I can suffer the little input lag there is - image quality feels more important now, I watch more videos than I play games for example. so anyway I think I'll get another U2311H
 

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so, I'm now looking to buy an IPS monitor as a replacement. the only requirements I have is it to be at least 1920x1080, black bezel and connect via DVI or DisplayPort. a big plus is if it actually can run 75Hz in low resolutions, say 960x540 which is what I use for my FPS games.

The older Dell 2209WA is one of the best IPS monitors ever made for input lag. I don't know why people knock the 1680x1050 rez....it's perfect for text and your video card doesn't have to work as hard for games. It's also a 16:10 which is a bonus for vertical resolution.

If you want to run games at less than the native resolution, I'm not sure why 1920x1080 is a requirement.
 

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The older Dell 2209WA is one of the best IPS monitors ever made for input lag. I don't know why people knock the 1680x1050 rez....it's perfect for text and your video card doesn't have to work as hard for games. It's also a 16:10 which is a bonus for vertical resolution.

If you want to run games at less than the native resolution, I'm not sure why 1920x1080 is a requirement.

I guess most people want to be able to watch HD films without downscaling. That's the only reason (well, and the so-so blacks) why I didn't get the 2209WA. I'm also glad I got a monitor with a low dot pitch (1080p on 21.5") since I hate how a high dot pitch looks.
 
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IPS is just as bad as TN in this regard, if not worse because of the glow.

More bad advice

Best to stay away from the IPS236V/231p for gaming, they are both very slow for gaming (refer to links for Review info).

PRAD's IPS236V had a 700:1 contrast ratio which is terrible. Yuck more panel pottery garbage with tinting and widly varying contrast ratios (NEC EA232 suffers from this as well). At least the U2311H is consistent in terms of PQ and has a fast response time.
No that's not true, my dell 2209wa was like CRT regarding lightbleed, and IPS glow was eliminated perfectly by just looking from about 1 meter.

I've tried to get into 120Hz gaming with these tn panels, so far I have my 4th monitor going and still unacceptable light bleed. I dont know if they are cutting costs with these 120Hz panels or what, but TN is definitely worse. It's not just luck.
 

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What about an Apple Cinema Display 27" ? Has ~ 12ms of Input Lag which is very good for an IPS.
 

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I have the Apple 27" and the glow is really bad in the corners, I had to return one because it was very, very bad (maybe the 1st also had bad bleed). I guess I was expecting more from a monitor that cost 1k.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1504231&page=13

Look at the pics Liekomg posted in that thread. Gives good example of the glow I'm talking about
 
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