Current Build VS Waiting?

[Zef Pomp]

CPU: Intel i7 2600k
PSU: Corsair AX850
GPU: EVGA GTX 570 Classified
Case: Corsair 650D
OS: Not required

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

Western Digital still #1?

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 DDR3 1600 (8-8-8-24)

I really would some Dominator instead? ..With same specs, as above

SSD: (ALL 120GB MODELS)
Corsair GT
VS
OCZ Vortex 3
VS
Patriot WildFire
VS
Others?

MOBO: (P67, I will never use SSD Cache/Onboard GPU!)
Asus Sabertooth
VS
MSI P67A-GD65
VS
Others?

Monitor:
Dell U2711 (Any better ~27in monitors?)
VS
Maybe a 32in TV

Those are my current questions..
I also would like peoples views on waiting for Keplar & Ivy Bridge

1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
Gaming, Movies, Web, Multi-tasking
2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
I have my parts picked out for the most part, do not worry about a budget. Pick out the BEST part. ..But if you want a figure $1.5K
3) Which country do you live in? If the U.S, please tell us the state and city if possible.
State = PA
4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. The word "Everything" is not a valid answer. Please list out all the parts you'll need.
Parts listed above
6) Will you be overclocking?
Yes, in the future
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? USB 3.0? SATA 6Gb/s? etc.
4x SATA 6Gb/s
5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
None, buying all new parts..listed above
8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
Now, unless I choose to wait for Keplar or Ivy Bridge

 

[MacLeod]

I wouldnt wait. Something newer and shinier will always be coming out right around the corner. Buy what you want/need, when you want/need it.

As for your build, I vote Sabertooth for the motherboard because its freaking indestructible and you can feed enough voltage thru it that you could weld an axle together and that means stellar overclock potential. Id pick the Dell over a 32" TV. Thats one of the best monitors on the market right now and a 27" is a very nice bit of screen real estate. As for RAM, doesnt matter much. I have a rule to stick to Corsair for as much as I can cause their stuff is always excellent.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

Please answer the questions in this thread.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1349433

 

[zack_a]

try intel 320 or cruical m4 for ssd.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

Intel 320 isn't recommended as an SSD. The Intel 510 series are, but they are a bit pricey so most of the time the Cruical M4s are recommended.

 

[tiraides]

To clarify further, the Intel 320 SSDs are SATA 3Gb/s drives whereas the Intel 510 SSDs (and the Crucial m4 SSDs) are SATA 6Gb/s drives. All of the Sandforce-based SSDs have some issues that prevent us forum regulars from recommending them.

You seem like you're ready to build a new system now... but please answer the sticky questions first. Off the bat, there are several parts you're considering that I would swap out, so I like to know where you're going with this build before I make any further recommendations.

 

[Zef Pomp]

Sorry, answered questions which needed to be answered, check main post


The m4 and the intel 510 seem to have alot lower write speeds, ect than the one I have picked out atm...but thats not the case?

 

[tiraides]

Please answer ALL of the sticky questions. I don't know which of the parts in the OP you've bought already.

The SandForce-based SSDs all have various issues that make them bad choices. The Intel 510 and Crucial m4 are good SSDs regardless; you'll see a noticeable performance boost compared to a traditional 7200RPM HDD.

 

[rive22]

If you're not going to wait, what exactly are you planning to upgrade to?

 

[tonytnnt]

Do you live by a Microcenter in PA? Also, consider a Samsung F3 over a Caviar Black. If you get a SSD though you could use 5400 RPM bulk storage drives, like a Samsung F4 instead.

Also, by not answering the other questions we have no idea what parts you have and which ones you don't.

 

[Zef Pomp]

I answered more questions

If you're not going to wait, what exactly are you planning to upgrade to?

You mean if I do wait?
If I do wait ill upgrade to ivy bridge 6C & 12 Threads or 8C & 16 Threads? maybe
Then better GPU
Maybe cheaper RAM at that time also

Do you live by a Microcenter in PA? Also, consider a Samsung F3 over a Caviar Black. If you get a SSD though you could use 5400 RPM bulk storage drives, like a Samsung F4 instead.

Also, by not answering the other questions we have no idea what parts you have and which ones you don't.

Is sumsung better than WD? I would rather not have a really slow 5400 drive

I can have a firend buy mmy parts at a microcenter if the price is worth it

 

[tiraides]

The Samsung HD103SJ is a 7200RPM drive and performs just as well as the Caviar Black. We recommend it over the Caviar Black because it's cheaper.

Yeah, it's worth buying as many parts from Micro Center as possible. Right now, MC has better in-store combo deals with the K series processors than NewEgg. Plus (depending on the store, so call ahead), you could price-match NewEgg or obtain a discount from buying all of your parts there.

Again, please answer the rest of the sticky questions. They're relevant to your case.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

CPU: Intel i7 2600k

It's not worth the extra ~$100 for an 2600K when the most you'll be doing is gaming. The cheaper 2500k preforms just as good, if not better than the 2600k in a gaming environment.

PSU: Corsair AX850

I recommend this cheaper, but equally as reliable Seasonic x750 - $159.99

GPU: EVGA GTX 570 Classified

Since you aren't doing any thing that will require NVIDIA based technology, then I'd recommend getting an AMDs 6970 card from a reputable manufacturer since it preforms faster in most games than the 570 GTX, also games will most likely be using more VRAM in the future, so the 6970 will most likely last longer.

Case: Corsair 650D

Good choice on this case.

OS: Not required

I take it you already have a Windows 7 64 bit license.

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

Western Digital still #1?

I recommend this cheaper but equally as fast SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ - $59.99

WD isn't bad by any means, but other manufacturers have stepped their game up such as Samsung.

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 DDR3 1600 (8-8-8-24)

I really would some Dominator instead? ..With same specs, as above

You will see little to no real world performance increase with DDR3 1600 RAM over cheaper DDR3 1333 RAM. I'd recommend picking out a 8GB (2 x 4GB) kit of DDR3 1333 for under $50. Remember, you do not overclock the RAM when you're overclocking Sandy Bridge CPUs.

SSD: (ALL 120GB MODELS)
Corsair GT
VS
OCZ Vortex 3
VS
Patriot WildFire
VS
Others?

As I mentioned earlier, go with either the Crucial M4 or Intel 510 series SSDs. Since SandForce-based SSDs all have various issues as well as OCZ having poor customer support.

MOBO: (P67, I will never use SSD Cache/Onboard GPU!)
Asus Sabertooth
VS
MSI P67A-GD65
VS
Others?

I recommend the MSI P67A-GD5 or the GIGABYTE GA-P67X-UD3-B3 motherboards.

Monitor:
Dell U2711 (Any better ~27in monitors?)
VS
Maybe a 32in TV

I would recommend a 27" monitor over a "TV" of any size if you plan on gaming as the computer monitor will perform better in regards to gaming.

Those are my current questions..
I also would like peoples views on waiting for Keplar & Ivy Bridge

If you are willing to wait for them to come out then I recommend waiting on Ivy Bridge, but it's still a good ways off.

1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
Gaming, Movies, Web, Multi-tasking

Based on this I suggested the 2500k and an AMD 6970.

3) Which country do you live in? If the U.S, please tell us the state and city if possible.
State = PA

If you can get your friend to pick up some parts, I highly recommend getting a combo deal with the 2500k, you'll save money over buying it from Newegg.

6) Will you be overclocking?
Yes, in the future

If you are planning to go with air cooling and do not currently have a good HSF setup to go with the Sandy Bridge, I highly recommend getting this $30 HSF.

Next time I recommend you to please answer all the questions in the manner in which they are asked as it will help us to better recommend parts for you.

 

[Zef Pomp]

The WD has:
64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

VS the Samsung's
32MD Cache & SATA 3.0Gb/s

That means nothing?

Ill stick with the Corsair AX850 vs the seasonic, I just have to wait for a MIR...I just missed the last one

Ill look into the AMD vs the gtx 570

as for the motherboard im still stuck between:
Asus Sabertooth
VS
MSI P67A-GD65

MSI is cheaper...

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 88227]

The WD has:
64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

VS the Samsung's
32MD Cache & SATA 3.0Gb/s

That means nothing?

No it doesn't. Look up benchmarks and real world tests. You'll see the Samsung is just as fast, if not faster in most cases then most any hard drive other than SSDs.

Ill stick with the Corsair AX850 vs the seasonic, I just have to wait for a MIR...I just missed the last one

You do realize the Corsair is a Seasonic unit with a different brand, right?

as for the motherboard im still stuck between:
Asus Sabertooth
VS
MSI P67A-GD65

MSI is cheaper...

Thanks

Between those two choices, I'd go with the MSI as the MSI can meet your requirements just fine.

 

[tiraides]

Various reviews and benchmarks have shown the Samsung HD103SJ performs on par with both the SATA 3Gb/s and SATA 6Gb/s models of the 1TB Caviar Black HDD. Plus, no HDD on its own fully utilizes the available SATA 3Gb/s bandwidth. So again, get the Samsung.

If you're sticking with one video card, you don't need the Corsair AX850 or the Seasonic X750 (even though, IIRC, they're both based on the same PSU platform). Are you looking at these power supplies because they're modular or you noticed their 80 Plus Gold rating?

As for the motherboard, get the MSI P67A-GD65. If all you need in a motherboard is four SATA 6Gb/s ports (and you don't really need that if you're only connecting one SSD to your system), then you don't need to spend the extra money on the Asus Sabertooth.

 

[Zef Pomp]

If you're sticking with one video card, you don't need the Corsair AX850 or the Seasonic X750 (even though, IIRC, they're both based on the same PSU platform). Are you looking at these power supplies because they're modular or you noticed their 80 Plus Gold rating?

Yes

I love the fact that they are fully modular and gold rated(even if the rating doesnt mean much)

I did not know they were the same platform, so thanks for that info

and I will go with the Samsung HDD for sure

EDIT: Also I guess I only do need 6.0 ports for just the SSD

 

[Deleted member 88227]

Then I still recommend getting the Seasonic x750, still over kill but it'll save you some money. If you must stick with Corsair, then get the ax750 version as it's still over kill but it will save money over the ax850..

 

[Zef Pomp]

thanks guys, now I just gotta decide if I want to buy now or wait?

Can someone tell me what the deal with LGA 1155 and LGA 2011 will be with the new sandy bridge E and ivy?

 

[Deleted member 88227]

thanks guys, now I just gotta decide if I want to buy now or wait?

Can someone tell me what the deal with LGA 1155 and LGA 2011 will be with the new sandy bridge E and ivy?

LGA 2011 is supposed to replace the LGA 1366 platform, where as LGA 1155 is the enthusiasts platform that replaced the LGA 1156.

What exactly do you want to know?

 

[Zef Pomp]

LGA 2011 is supposed to replace the LGA 1366 platform, where as LGA 1155 is the enthusiasts platform that replaced the LGA 1156.

What exactly do you want to know?

When sandy bridge E comes out it will be on LGA2011 ONLY, and when Ivy comes it will be on both 1155 & 2011?

 

[Deleted member 88227]

When sandy bridge E comes out it will be on LGA2011 ONLY, and when Ivy comes it will be on both 1155 & 2011?

Sandy Bridge is a 32nm die shrink.
Ivy Bridge is a 22nm die shrink.

Ive Bridge will be backwards compatible with Sandy Bridge.

I do believe Sandy Bridge E are what they new 2011 CPUs are being called, so yes they will be 2011 only.

 

[Zef Pomp]

So Ivy bridge is 2011 but works on 1155?

 

[Insula Gilliganis]

My philosophy has been, if a fairly new technology is more than 6 months from being released, to just buy what currently is available.. but if closer than 6 months, then wait. Seems like some fairly new technology is headed our way in just a few months.. AMD finally releasing a new CPU design (supposedly later this month) & Ivy Bridge CPUs and LGA Socket 2011 with the X79 chipset in November.

The top AMD Bulldozer is a rumored.. "eight-core FX Black Edition Processor will cost around $320". Plus it will come in a neat tin box!!

Since it is around the same price as the 2600K, you might want to wait to see how each stacks up with one another.

Socket 2011 will seem to bring higher end performance than what Socket 1155 will be able to offer.. 40 PCI-E 3.0 lanes instead of 20 PCI-E 2.0 lanes; 3 of the 4 scheduled CPUs will be 6 core/12 threads (the lone 4 core/8 thread CPU costing around the same as a 2600K); and quad-channel DDR3.

Ivy Bridge will supposedly have a "20% increase in CPU performance" over Sandy Bridge.

I found this fairly easy explanation of Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011...

Ivy Bridge is the name given to upcoming Intel processors that utilize a 22nm fabrication process. The present-day Sandy Bridge processors use a 32nm process, so, a decrease in die size will allow Intel to pack more computing power inside each processor. Luckily, consumer-level Ivy Bridge processors will use the same LGA 1155 socket used by current generation Sandy Bridge processors as reported by Fudzilla. Regarding its debut, Tom’s Hardware is reporting that Intel may be showcasing Ivy Bridge CPUs in mid-2011 at Computex in Taipei.

LGA 2011 is an upcoming Intel socket that will act as a replacement for the current generation and high-end socket, LGA 1366. It is expected that LGA 2011-compatible processors will feature quad-channel DDR3, PCI Express 3.0 and up to 8 cores with 16 threads. It is likely that LGA 2011 will be using a new breed of Sandy Bridge processors specifically designed for LGA 2011, but will not be compatible with LGA 1155 Sandy Bridge CPUs.

In summary, Ivy Bridge will essentially be an updated Sandy Bridge processor that uses the same LGA 1155 socket whereas LGA 2011 is a new socket meant for the enthusiast and server market that will be supporting future Intel processors.

I am in the same boat as you.. been waiting since May to ungrade my teenage son's 3 year old desktop.. kept hoping AMD would pull the trigger on Bulldozer. But now I will also have to consider the new Intel parts. Just seems like good sense to wait a few more months to see how all these new items will shake out, although now after I originally wrote my comments, I have found articles that state that Ivy Bridge might not be available until March 2012 although Socket 2011 still seems to be poised for a late 2011 Q4 release.

If nothing else am sure most of the parts you are currently eyeing will be cheaper. Good luck with your build!

 

[Deleted member 88227]

So Ivy bridge is 2011 but works on 1155?

A 2011 CPU will not work in a 1155 Motherboard.

Ivy Bridge is just the process naming, as in Sandy Bridge is a 32nm die shrink and the newer CPUs (Code named Ivy Bridge) will be 22nm die shrink.

If it's a 2011 22nm, Sandy Bridge CPU it will NOT work in a 1155 motherboard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge

 

[Zef Pomp]

Insula Gilliganis...badass explanation, thanks!

Ill wait for Q4 of 2011 then see AMD & new intel CPUs

 

[Deleted member 88227]

Then I recommend waiting until then and starting a new topic with your new requirements. Just please be sure to answer all the questions in the sticky this time. Thanks.