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Creative Windows 10 support

killroy67

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So I just read on the Creative site that they would not have Windows 10 drivers for the XFI Titanium HD until October 2015. But they will have drivers for the X-Fi Xtreme Audio, Audigy SE, Audigy 4 and 5 and others before that?? What a load of crap!!:rolleyes::mad:
 
Normal creative support for new OS. At least they claim to be making one available.
 
Xtreme Audio and Audigy SE are not hardware based solutions. They are just crappy onboard quality cards with a fancy software solution.

That being said, the windows 8.1 drivers work just fine for the X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion (same driver for all the hardware based PCIe X-Fi cards).

The only thing that doesn't seem to work for me is the auto detect of when the headphones are plugged into the front I/O panel. Guessing that will be fixed in the official Win 10 driver release from Creative.
 
Usually, Creatives new OS driver support solution is for you to buy their new line of graphics cards...
 
least you're getting drivers at some point...my Auzentech X-Fi Prelude 7.1 sound card will never work fully with Windows 10 and I have to switch to onboard sound
 
I just decided to get a new sounds card, which was the sound Blaster Z. Its really a nice sound card, and Im really liking the Mic. Plus it will have Windows 10 drivers in June 2015. Still I think its pretty shitty that all this time and Creative couldn't even manage to put together a beta driver for older XFI cards. Nvidia already has a WHQL driver ready to go, I heard Realtek already has one ready, what the hell is Creatives excuse?? I'll tell you what, there will be a lot of unhappy XFI users soon!!;)
 
kilroy67 said:
I just decided to get a new sounds card, which was the sound Blaster Z. Its really a nice sound card, and Im really liking the Mic. Plus it will have Windows 10 drivers in June 2015. Still I think its pretty shitty that all this time and Creative couldn't even manage to put together a beta driver for older XFI cards. Nvidia already has a WHQL driver ready to go, I heard Realtek already has one ready, what the hell is Creatives excuse?? I'll tell you what, there will be a lot of unhappy XFI users soon!!;)
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Hmmm.. Let's think about this for a minute.

What makes them money?

If you ran a company, would you be putting resources towards a product you no longer sell or would you be putting those resources to work on a product that currently makes you money?
 
Having good long term support can be a way to make money. You get customers that are loyal because they don't worry about their products becoming unusable. They'll keep using and recommending them.

RME does that. They support their old cards forever. Their current drivers and FPGA updates still work on their HDSP 9632, which was released in 2003. Doesn't contain all the features of their new cards, of course (they have more powerful chips in the new stuff) but has complete support for Windows 8.1 and all the features it can handle.

As a side effect, this means they also still can, and do, sell the card. So if someone has an older platform and needs a PCI card instead of a PCIe card, they can purchase one.

The idea that you have to make hardware obsolete to drive sales is pretty silly. That can drive sales... right in to a competitor's hands. When someone has to get a new product, yours is not automatically what they decide to get. However if they are buying a new product because they want one, and they are happy with what they have and it works, well then they are more likely to choose you again.
 
Creative Titanium HD drivers for Win 8.1 were crap, do you really expect them to support the card for Win 10?

I've switched to HDMI audio output via a video card - so much better in the end.
 
Sycraft said:
Having good long term support can be a way to make money. You get customers that are loyal because they don't worry about their products becoming unusable. They'll keep using and recommending them.

RME does that. They support their old cards forever. Their current drivers and FPGA updates still work on their HDSP 9632, which was released in 2003. Doesn't contain all the features of their new cards, of course (they have more powerful chips in the new stuff) but has complete support for Windows 8.1 and all the features it can handle.

As a side effect, this means they also still can, and do, sell the card. So if someone has an older platform and needs a PCI card instead of a PCIe card, they can purchase one.

The idea that you have to make hardware obsolete to drive sales is pretty silly. That can drive sales... right in to a competitor's hands. When someone has to get a new product, yours is not automatically what they decide to get. However if they are buying a new product because they want one, and they are happy with what they have and it works, well then they are more likely to choose you again.
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1. RME - professional grade audio hardware.
2. Creative - consumer grade hardware

Two totally different things and with different price ranges.

Creative caters to a totally different market than RME does.

If you want Creative to start supporting their older hardware the same way they do their newer hardware, then start expecting to start paying a whole lot more for their products.

The same goes for a lot of other hardware out there. You will absolutely not get support for products that are EOL for the most part.

Creative even having a timeline for driver support for that card in Windows 10 is a good thing.
 
My point is simply that the idea that it drives sales is not necessarily accurate. Particularly in consumer soundcards. There is no motherboard that I'm aware of these days which doesn't come with a soundcard on board and for many uses, they are perfectly fine. So if Creative decides to not be nice with updates to older cards, people may simply opt to use the Realtek chip their boards already have (which already has a Windows 10 driver) and forgo purchasing a new discrete solution.
 
cyclone3d said:
Hmmm.. Let's think about this for a minute.

What makes them money?

If you ran a company, would you be putting resources towards a product you no longer sell or would you be putting those resources to work on a product that currently makes you money?
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Sorry bud, just not buying into your theory. Nvidia has provided drivers for Windows 10 all the way through to the 400 series I believe, and they have a current WHQL driver ready to go. The 400 series goes back just about as long as the XFI Sound cards. Realtek had a Windows 7 driver for onboard sound for a socket 939 motherboard, and probably it is also supported under Windows 8. None of these companies need to make their products obsolete in order to boost sales.
I will agree that it is a great marketing gimmick to make people upgrade to a new product if they don't want to wait for driver support, I fall into that category. Which ever way you try to sugar coat it, bottom line its just shitty support.;):p
 
i find the win 8 driver for the creative z card works as good as it did for win 8...its one of the few things i have had very little issue with using win 10..if it worked shitty on win 8 you might get the same with 10:D even after the do relabel a driver for it
 
kilroy67 said:
Sorry bud, just not buying into your theory. Nvidia has provided drivers for Windows 10 all the way through to the 400 series I believe, and they have a current WHQL driver ready to go. The 400 series goes back just about as long as the XFI Sound cards. Realtek had a Windows 7 driver for onboard sound for a socket 939 motherboard, and probably it is also supported under Windows 8. None of these companies need to make their products obsolete in order to boost sales.
I will agree that it is a great marketing gimmick to make people upgrade to a new product if they don't want to wait for driver support, I fall into that category. Which ever way you try to sugar coat it, bottom line its just shitty support.;):p
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Never said it was good support.

The thing about most drivers is that not a lot should need to change between Windows versions to make it work.

I personally think that Creative just has a very poor driver team or possibly just horrible management.
 
I have a Titanium HD. I've used about a dozen different versions of the Windows 10 beta, using the 8.1 drivers for my sound card each time, without any issue whatsoever.

What is the big fucking deal?
 
GotNoRice said:
I have a Titanium HD. I've used about a dozen different versions of the Windows 10 beta, using the 8.1 drivers for my sound card each time, without any issue whatsoever.

What is the big fucking deal?
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The driver software sucked for the Titanium HD under Windows 8, if your using them under Windows 10 Beta then Im sure they are just as half assed as under 8. But if it works for you, then no big fucking deal at all. ;)
 
kilroy67 said:
The driver software sucked for the Titanium HD under Windows 8, if your using them under Windows 10 Beta then Im sure they are just as half assed as under 8. But if it works for you, then no big fucking deal at all. ;)
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Hmm, I never actually had any problems with my Titanium HD under 8.1 either.

What exactly were you trying to get it to do that it wasn't doing correctly?
 
GotNoRice said:
Hmm, I never actually had any problems with my Titanium HD under 8.1 either.

What exactly were you trying to get it to do that it wasn't doing correctly?
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The driver worked fine under Windows 8 and 8.1, I just found the software (control panel) was lacking things like the equalizer and some other things but I cant remember since I'm currently using Windows 7. I did read of other people who had issues with the Titanium HD under Windows 10 beta. I just figured I didn't want to deal with potential problems when making the jump to 10 , so I bought the Sound Blaster Z. Im really loving this card and have no regrets purchasing it.
 
I have both my ZXR in my desk drawer and my SB Titanium HD in my computer running under Win 8.1. No issues with the drivers for either soundcard. I just find the HD Titanium to be a better overall soundcard.
 
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