Courts: Ex-Lovers Have To Delete Revealing Photos

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The courts in Germany just handed down this ruling. Kinda makes you wonder if the U.S. will follow suit.

The case involved a couple from the Lahn-Dill region in Hesse in central Germany. The man, a photographer, had made erotic videos and taken many intimate photos during the course of the relationship, all of which the woman had given her consent to, even taking some herself. But when the couple separated she demanded he delete all of the videos and pictures in which she appeared.
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So does that mean that any printed photos that were taken of a couple/family can now be forced to be removed/destroyed?
 
Oh, and...

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SticKx911 said:
seems fair to me.
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Doesn't to me. When you give consent you give consent. Can you ungift things you give as a gift to a spouse or girlfriend and ask for your money back? Nope!

That's his camera and his property.
 
Ducman69 said:
Doesn't to me. When you give consent you give consent. Can you ungift things you give as a gift to a spouse or girlfriend and ask for your money back? Nope!

That's his camera and his property.
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Consent was given under the terms of marriage. Once the conditions are no longer met, the consent is no longer valid. I assume the ruling's intent is to assure the photos/videos don't make it public. I doubt they'd search his stuff, but if anything makes it into the public or out at all...she can seek punitive damages.
 
Well after reading more, it wasn't actually a marriage. But, I think the point is still pretty much the same.
 
What I don't get is, how will they know? Do they actually go through all of the guy's hard drives, burned disks, thumb drives wiping out all possible traces. Do they then securely overwrite the empty space so it's unrecoverable? Or do they just take his word on it?
 
I tire of the "logic" that "once you give consent, everything is fair game forever and ever." What are you supposed to do, say "Well, I shouldn't do X or Y because we might break up?"
 
Because it would be SOOOO hard to just say "yes, they are deleted" while they chill in a differently named folder other than the one named "Wifey nudie pix."
 
While together I backed up my X's naughty pictures (that she took of herself on her phone and then sent me) to the cloud for safe keeping in the cloud as it's known for its top notch security but after our separation someone hacked into that account (NSA?) and uploaded them to a few booby sites. Oh well, nothing I can do about it now, or her. Not sure how all of her friends and family were sent the links to them though, that was just fucked up, whoever did that shit! I'm thinking it might have have been Snowden.

Then again, NY doesn't have any laws on revenge porn yet even if that was the case, which it's not, unless someone (The NSA?) was also mad she was a twisted lying thief c**t, too.
 
A few issues I have with this.

It would seem that once someone is required to delete something, they are essentially being made responsible for the fate of those images. What if those same images ended up on facebook or elsewhere on the net? Even if it was the girl herself that let them get out on the net, it would seem an easy lawsuit for her to simply blame the guy "it's because he didn't delete them like he was required to!!!" or similar.

How could they ever possibly hope to enforce this? What is the point of even having laws that are impossible to enforce?
 
SticKx911 said:
Consent was given under the terms of marriage. Once the conditions are no longer met, the consent is no longer valid. I assume the ruling's intent is to assure the photos/videos don't make it public. I doubt they'd search his stuff, but if anything makes it into the public or out at all...she can seek punitive damages.
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How could she prove it wasn't made available on the internet and spread prior to the notification? Why is this the governments business? I see a lot of wasted tax dollars and man hours going into this.
 
They're getting people accustomed to the government telling you what to do with your phone.

They start with innocuous things like child porn and this but then it gets out of hand quickly as it is harder to fight off 'sensible' laws in regards to your personal property.
 
I would of told the court I already shared the pics/videos with friends....then what? Going to make everyone of them delete the pics/videos?
 
Good ruling. There is no doubt potential for abuse but is there a law of any kind that offers none of this? Don't think so.

Ducman69 said:
How could she prove it wasn't made available on the internet and spread prior to the notification? Why is this the governments business? I see a lot of wasted tax dollars and man hours going into this.
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Since this is Germany, zero of your precious tax dollars will go into this. :rolleyes:
 
GotNoRice said:
How could they ever possibly hope to enforce this? What is the point of even having laws that are impossible to enforce?
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I don't see this as something the government/law enforcement proactively enforces; but what it does do is give someone a legal right to then seek damages/sue should they then post pictures to the net, etc. Right now it is most likely not illegal to do so. This doesn't mean the police go to your house and shred your HDD - you simply swear under oath to do so, and you'll be fined/jailed if it ends up you didn't.
 
If he was a professional photographer, and she had signed consent BEFORE they started dating, and then continued to produce more photos while dating, would he still have to delete the photos?

If not, then all this guy has to do is claim that they weren't actually dating yet when she gave consent (at which point she would have to prove otherwise, which would be pretty hard unless she has dinner/movie/sex receipts)
 
My long distance German girlfriend and I broke up about 2 weeks ago. And during the clean up recovery process, I deleted everything. From my phone, from our google hangout pictures collection and every other picture she personally sent me. If it's over, why would you want to hang onto those pictures which prevents you from moving on?
 
redmasc said:
My long distance German girlfriend and I broke up about 2 weeks ago. And during the clean up recovery process, I deleted everything. From my phone, from our google hangout pictures collection and every other picture she personally sent me. If it's over, why would you want to hang onto those pictures which prevents you from moving on?
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Those pics may have been part of his portfolio you know to attract business...

Its not all about hanging on to her, The bigger thing is how can someone agree to terms then change the terms when they feel like it? I cant get my engagement ring back after a break up. I cant get gifts back or dinners or rent or..
 
dgz said:
Since this is Germany, zero of your precious tax dollars will go into this. :rolleyes:
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Vielleicht nicht heute, aber ich koennte schon mal wieder in Deutschland bei die Familie arbeiten... You don't know me, Bruder! :D
 
MindBuster said:
There are no pictures of your dick on dollar bills, or restaurant receipts.
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Who is to say what "revealing" is, though?

So you have no NUDIE pics of your ex-wife, just typical western family pictures - smiling faces and the like.

Now, she's gone and joined a fundamentalist Muslim sect and wears a burqa - she considers pictures that even have her FACE (uncovered) to be 'sexually revealing'.

So you have to sort through all your family photos and destroy them, now, too?

Nononono - this ruling is ridiculous. When you give consent, you give consent. If she later withdraws consent to have "revealing" pics taken of her...fair enough, you can't take any more. That is logical and makes sense. But it doesn't alter the consent already given. She can't charge you with rape, now, because she no longer consents to sex with you but you totally were having sex with her for years, can she?
 
redmasc said:
My long distance German girlfriend and I broke up about 2 weeks ago. And during the clean up recovery process, I deleted everything. From my phone, from our google hangout pictures collection and every other picture she personally sent me. If it's over, why would you want to hang onto those pictures which prevents you from moving on?
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I have pictures of my soccer team still up from when I was six years old. Just because I'm not friends with them anymore doesn't mean its not my memory.

Besides, its not up to the government to question that... or well it shouldn't be. That's a private issue between individuals, and if she consented to the pics, there's no legal problem here.

Pretty simple solution here, don't give someone else naked pictures of yourself or allow them to take and keep naked pictures of you if you can't trust them for life. Its not like it would have been illegal if he showed his friends when they were married, and the government shouldn't be in the business of regulating trust. This should be ruled the same way they do gifts, if there's no contract saying its a loan or you expect it back, its yours now regardless of how the relationship changes in the future.
 
Ducman69 said:
I have pictures of my soccer team still up from when I was six years old. Just because I'm not friends with them anymore doesn't mean its not my memory.

Besides, its not up to the government to question that... or well it shouldn't be. That's a private issue between individuals, and if she consented to the pics, there's no legal problem here.

Pretty simple solution here, don't give someone else naked pictures of yourself or allow them to take and keep naked pictures of you if you can't trust them for life. Its not like it would have been illegal if he showed his friends when they were married, and the government shouldn't be in the business of regulating trust. This should be ruled the same way they do gifts, if there's no contract saying its a loan or you expect it back, its yours now regardless of how the relationship changes in the future.
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Yeah, I am sure you wouldn't mind your hot naked pictures ending up on fb or another place like that. Easy to "shouldn't have" people when it's not your ass on the line.
 
dgz said:
Yeah, I am sure you wouldn't mind your hot naked pictures ending up on fb or another place like that. Easy to "shouldn't have" people when it's not your ass on the line.
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Pretty easy to keep our ass out of the line of fire.
 
dgz said:
Yeah, I am sure you wouldn't mind your hot naked pictures ending up on fb or another place like that. Easy to "shouldn't have" people when it's not your ass on the line.
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Honestly, were I broken up with, and my nudie pics posted on FB... I'd be getting a lot more action pretty quickly. Go ahead!

On a serious note, I feel this is more of a "catch all" law... So if pics ARE leaked, there's an automatic charge to levy on the guilty party... Rather than letting it get settled for punitive damages.
 
If they were taken with consent, too bad. We need to get over the ridiculous social stigmas behind nudity anyway.

Easy solution to all those, be the kind of person no one wants to screw over... and surprise.. life will be a whole lot easier. There surely are psychos who go nuts anyway, but /shrug. I guess I'm not really ashamed of other people potentially seeing my junk.. But as someone else pointed out.. I'd be getting a whole lot more attention of that were public.
 
Arcygenical said:
So if pics ARE leaked, there's an automatic charge to levy on the guilty party... Rather than letting it get settled for punitive damages.
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Unfortunately, you're probably right, except the person is guilty before proven innocent. He could have uploaded the pictures to a website years ago before the notice to delete, or she could have uploaded him because she's pissy that she cheated on him which is what ended the relationship and suddenly she "finds" the photos that were uploaded to get money from him.

Even if you can track down the IP address of the uploader, which in most cases is extremely unlikely, I thought it was obvious by now that even an IP address is not an individual.
 
JaiWebb said:
While together I backed up my X's naughty pictures (that she took of herself on her phone and then sent me) to the cloud for safe keeping in the cloud as it's known for its top notch security but after our separation someone hacked into that account (NSA?) and uploaded them to a few booby sites. Oh well, nothing I can do about it now, or her. Not sure how all of her friends and family were sent the links to them though, that was just fucked up, whoever did that shit! I'm thinking it might have have been Snowden.

Then again, NY doesn't have any laws on revenge porn yet even if that was the case, which it's not, unless someone (The NSA?) was also mad she was a twisted lying thief c**t, too.
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Wow, you got issues.
 
Sovereign said:
I tire of the "logic" that "once you give consent, everything is fair game forever and ever." What are you supposed to do, say "Well, I shouldn't do X or Y because we might break up?"
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Yes. TBH, don't do it unless you have complete faith in the other person.
 
Mazzic518 said:
Wow, you got issues.
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Yeah, you're right. I have issues with being cheated on, never being told anything about it, my money stolen, and a lot of lies flown around to muddy the water. It was many many years ago though, shit happens.
 
MindBuster said:
There are no pictures of your dick on dollar bills, or restaurant receipts.
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I take it you sign your credit card receipts differently than I do?;)

JaiWebb said:
While together I backed up my X's naughty pictures (that she took of herself on her phone and then sent me) to the cloud for safe keeping in the cloud as it's known for its top notch security but after our separation someone hacked into that account (NSA?) and uploaded them to a few booby sites. Oh well, nothing I can do about it now, or her. Not sure how all of her friends and family were sent the links to them though, that was just fucked up, whoever did that shit! I'm thinking it might have have been Snowden.

Then again, NY doesn't have any laws on revenge porn yet even if that was the case, which it's not, unless someone (The NSA?) was also mad she was a twisted lying thief c**t, too.
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It is a good thing you aren't bitter.
 
Protecting people from the consquences of their actions by infringing other's people's rights. Hallmark of he 21st Century.
 
pothb said:
Yes. TBH, don't do it unless you have complete faith in the other person.
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Not all directly to you, but I didn't feel like multi quoting.

I agree, but it's like saying you gave your girlfriend a blank check, signed. You know, just in case she was stranded somewhere without cash. The kind of shit they did before cell phones. I mean you cared, and were there for her right? Well, now you're broken up. It's kind of fair to expect that blank check to be destroyed.

Or a friends and family discount at a store you work at? Just because before, she applied, does not mean that gets a free pass anymore right? lol

How about a car you let her drive. It's in your name, but she has a key. Does she keep it and you keep paying for it even though you're broken up and have no control over the use of said vehicle.

Her nude photos are a blank check waiting to be signed. Unless otherwise proven (which since it made it through court, so I doubt), the terms are broken and since he is a "photographer" she felt the need to take action before his personal collection turned into IP and her "good name" gets destroyed in the process.

Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but shit happens, and she shouldn't be outcast from a professional world because of porn she didn't consent to be in or get paid for (under the terms of professional work to be shared or sold to the massed). Even if you don't care about the personal aspect. It's still a "good" she loaned to the defendant that on splitting she felt it was fair to claim or at least protect. Womens goods have value in this world, dick pics, do not, so don't claim it's the same concept.
 
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