Corporations using Dell desktops

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I know this is problem an odd thing to talk about on a website like this. Personally I would rather never have to use a Dell computer.

Where I am working, Dell is the only brand that is used. The computer I work on everyday is a GX620 which has a 3.0GHz P4 HT and 2GB of RAM. It has XP Pro SP3, AES-256 encryption, Office 2003, Symantec Enterprise Protection for AV, and some other basic applications. The computer works perfectly fine for what I do, and most clients using the same computer don't seem to have issues either. Although there are better models also in use.

Our company has absolutely no refresh cycle for hardware or software, but they are trying to standardize everything. I was asked to help in choosing future models to purchase. Although for the past couple of months, the only desktop model available to clients is the Optiplex 960. This has a minimum CPU of a Core 2 Duo 8400 and everyone gets 4GB of RAM. I don't know what our discounted price is, but the pricing online is just over $1,000 for large corporations. This obviously is very excessive for the majority of our users. I understand if the company wants only one model desktop which is why I suggested the Optiplex 780. It is very similar to the 960, but can be configured with much less expensive CPUs and can also go all the way up to a Core 2 Quad. This to me seems like the most versatile model and best option for cost savings.

As it stands, this company has never even tested Windows 7 on any of the hardware we currently have. The plan is to build a Windows 7 image by the end of the year. Which means we will just have started testing it going into 2011 and probably won't be officially rolled out until 2012.

What I can't understand is why we would spend the most amount of money on desktop computers still running Core 2 Duos and DDR2 memory. This technology is already being replaced. Hell, we could buy a better Dell Precision with a Core i5 and DDR3 for the same amount of money. Of course our standard end users don't need this, nor do they need a 960.

Can anyone make sense of this, or give me an idea of what your company might be doing with their desktop computers?

Did I mention that this company also uses more laptops than desktop computers even though the clients only work in one office and have no reason to work from home? We have enough monitors already, and the laptops cost about $600-700 more. On top of which, every new Optiplex 960 (desktop) that has been bought comes with a 2.5" hard drive. Yeah, the kind of hard drive that costs more and runs slower. And energy savings wasn't the excuse for getting them. Lack of knowledge was. One engineer actually told me there was no performance difference between the 2.5 and 3.5 with the same specs.
 
Call dell and see what is in the works for the 1156 platforms. It would be nice to have the T110 with Win7 pro at your work (the Xeon with HT is aroung $430 right now)
 
I work in academia so the price probably isn't relevant, but these list around $500 w/out monitor for our departments.

Dell OptiPlex 960 SFF Basic

Standard Features Include
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor E8400 3.0GHz
Genuine Windows 7 Operating System
2GB DDR2 Non-ECC SDRAM, 800MHz, 1DIMM
160GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB DataBurst Cache™
Integrated Video, Intel® GMA 4500
**Optional Monitors
Internal Dell Business Audio Speaker
8X Slimline DVD+/-RW Roxio Creator™ CyberlinkPowerDVD™
Intel® Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000Ethernet
3 Year Basic Limited Warranty; 3 Year Next Business Day (NBD)
Onsite Service


Most wouldn't get Win7, we are still an XP shop unless you're in IT.
 
Call dell and see what is in the works for the 1156 platforms. It would be nice to have the T110 with Win7 pro at your work (the Xeon with HT is aroung $430 right now)

The only T110 I see is a PowerEdge server and it costs a lot more than $430.
 
I work in academia so the price probably isn't relevant, but these list around $500 w/out monitor for our departments.

Dell OptiPlex 960 SFF Basic

Standard Features Include
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor E8400 3.0GHz
Genuine Windows 7 Operating System
2GB DDR2 Non-ECC SDRAM, 800MHz, 1DIMM
160GB 3.5” SATA 3.0Gb/s and 8MB DataBurst Cache™
Integrated Video, Intel® GMA 4500
**Optional Monitors
Internal Dell Business Audio Speaker
8X Slimline DVD+/-RW Roxio Creator™ CyberlinkPowerDVD™
Intel® Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000Ethernet
3 Year Basic Limited Warranty; 3 Year Next Business Day (NBD)
Onsite Service


Most wouldn't get Win7, we are still an XP shop unless you're in IT.

That is definitely a good price. I don't believe we get them that cheap. Our specs are the same with the exception of the hard drive since we are ordering 2.5" hard drives for some unknown reason.

My issue is that these are the top of the line Optiplex models that are well over our performance needs. Even if we saved $200 for 1,000 desktop PCs by selecting the 780, that is a good $200,000 saved and can be better used at fixing other issues in our IT infrastructure.
 
For the 960's, if you get them in quiet configuration, the HDDs only come in 2.5". Although, even with 3.5" drives they are very quiet. I think they are very nice machines personally.

The engineer that said that 2.5 and 3.5 drives don't have much of a speed difference is obviously wrong in terms of MB/s, but for basic tasks it really doesn't make a difference in terms of real productivity speed (most of the time).
 
The 960's are definitely nice, but does an average user need that much power when using Excel, connecting to mainframes, and other small tasks? You definitely don't need the power of a 960 to run Windows 7, especially when all visual effects will be turned off. The images will be built to only use what is necessary and get the most performance out of Windows 7.

We don't currently have a hardware refresh cycle, but I heard talks about a 3 year hardware refresh. For the next three years a dual core Pentium will be adequate for most, or even an inexpensive Core 2 Duo. The 960 comes with the 8400 that has 6mb of cache. It is nice, but again I don't see the real need for it.

As for the hard drives, I don't believe we selected anything pertaining to noise level. But even so, 2.5" drives have a higher failure rate than 3.5". And that is directly from Seagate's website.

My biggest concern is looking for a model that will easily go 3 years and doesn't cost as much as the 960.

Hell, Dell advertises the Optiplex XE with a 3.5 year lifecycle and that comes default with a Celeron and tops out with a Core 2 Duo E7400.
 
Since 2007, working where I do, our standard models have been:
745 small form factor
755 small form factor
760 small form factor
780 small form factor

we are starting to retire the gx520 and gx620 computers at a lot of places.

so if a part breaks on one of the newer ones, i can pretty much swap it from an old gx520 because the cases haven't changed in that whole time.
i don't like the gx520 because it has no pci-e slot, and only 2 ram slots

when someone has a hardware problem on an older computer, gx240, gx270, gx280 i try to get them to replace their computer

i don't think you should have 1 standard computer. there are a few people who will be the exception and need better computers. I have ordered the 960 for people, I have had clients go out and buy the 320 and 330 and had to make images of them.

if you use sysprep, it shouldn't matter if you have different model computers when you clone them. if you use ghost, like i do, then you have to make a ghost image for each model, but its not that big of a deal.

I have to deal with a large variety of stuff. We have a handful of clients that listen to our advice and we have them all running similar computers that are a mix of small form optiplexes. but then we have people that say, i got a new computer can you set it up? and its a $500 hp laptop with vista home, or an emachines, or a dimension, etc..

we have clients who are willing to pay more too. i just got done setting up 6 new hp 6000 computers that are c2d, 4gb ram, windows 7 pro, and 24 inch monitors, they are using their old 19/20 inch ultrasharp monitors turned sideways as a 2nd monitor. most of them just send email all day and have 4-7gb exchange mailboxes. seeing outlook full screen on a 24 inch monitor is just scary..
i think they had it good with a 19 inch widescreen and 17 inch "square" next to it.

my short answer to your question is, you should just order 780 small form factors with approx 3ghz c2d, 1x 2gb stick of ram, get the "quiet key" keyboard with palmrest and "6-button" laser mouse. those are nice upgrades for about $10. or get no keyboard/mouse, and order a ton of wireless ergo keyboards and mice. most people don't know shit about computers and will think you got them something really nice if it has a good keyboard and mouse.
when you upgrade to windows 7 make it 64 bit and get a ton of 2gb sticks of ram and pop them in the computers when you upgrade them. get a ton of the dell "soundbar" speakers that attach to the monitor. unfortunately the new ones are black and look like crap, the silver ones looked much better.
 
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