Core 2 Duo- AMD Equavilant?

[InorganicMatter]

LOL, sorry. You should probably get a mod to put "Merom" in the thread title, since most people automatically take Core 2 Duo to mean Conroe (though you are right, Merom is as much C2D as Conroe is).

That being said, there is no Turion X2 to compare with Merom. Yonah beats out Turion very badly, and Merom is all the more faster. You can get any Merom you want and beat out Turion right now.

 

[Poncho]

CONROE IS MEROM!!!!

(ok to be exact Merom is Conroe with a 667FSB)

Actually... Conroe is a Merom with a 1066 FSB. I'm fairly certain Merom came first.

 

[Lyquist]

From reading this thread, there seems to be no reason to even build an AMD system right now. Seems like Conroe is the better way to go all around at this point. You could probably build a conroe system and then an AM2 system for about the same price, so that's really not a factor. I am a musician, and from what I hear the Conroes just scream for music applications.

Lyquist

 

[Marvelous]

I'm going to pull these numbers out of my ass:

E6300 = 4600+
E6400 = 5000+
E6600 >= FX-62
E6700 and X6800 has no AMD equivalent

E6300 = X2 4600+
E6400 =FX-62
E6600, E6700 and X6800 has no AMD equivalent

At stock least in games.

 

[chrisf6969]

E6300 = X2 4600+
E6400 =FX-62
E6600, E6700 and X6800 has no AMD equivalent

At stock least in games.

But who HERE would run something like a 6300 or 6400 at stock with SO MUCH ROOM left for a super stable overclock. Even if they only went up to like 2.7Ghz.

 

[harpoon]

E6300 = X2 4600+
E6400 =FX-62
E6600, E6700 and X6800 has no AMD equivalent

At stock least in games.

E6400 != FX-62

FX-60 or X2 5000+ maybe...

Everyone knows C2D is faster but a lot of things are exagerrated in this thread.

 

[harpoon]

From reading this thread, there seems to be no reason to even build an AMD system right now. Seems like Conroe is the better way to go all around at this point. You could probably build a conroe system and then an AM2 system for about the same price, so that's really not a factor. I am a musician, and from what I hear the Conroes just scream for music applications.

Lyquist

If you are building a $1000+ system for musical applications, you are correct, there is no reason to build an AMD rig at this point.

There are of course situations where AMD still rule - budget dual core, for example. I'd much rather an X2 3600+/3800+ than a PD 805/820 - cooler running, better performance.

The ~$190 price for an E6300, while excellent value if you are an overclocker, is still too much for many people.

AMD also rules the single core market - how many grandpas and grandmas need dual core CPUs?

Of course, grandpa and grandma probably wouldn't notice the difference between a Sempron and Celeron either.

 

[Donnie27]

Damn where was that mobo, when I was ordering. I wish I had seen it, I might have gotten it! Actually, I'm glad I didn't get it, b/c then I'd be pondering getting another 7900 GTX for SLI.

Its only been out about a week at the most.

 

[Donnie27]

Oh and SLI was temping the hell out of me too!

 

[Donnie27]

You hit every nail on the head. No reason to no go Conroe at this point.

Thanks!

You could be low on money and still want to speed up your AMD rig. But yes, building from the ground up, skip AMD this round.

 

[xFlankerx]

My personal numbers -

E6300 = X2 4800+.

E6400 = FX-62.

E6600/6700/X6800 = No competition, as the E6600 completely owns the FX-62 in benchmarks.

The specific placement of the first two may be debateable, but its clear that the last 3 have no competition. Thats based on viewing dozens of benchmarks for the past 6 months or so. I use a 30% performance lead to calculate it. So I have the C2D speed, and multiply it by 1.3 (130%) to get the comparative A64 X2 speed.

And as for the overclocking; I personally know two teenagers who've been able to get their E6300 and E6600 to 3.7Ghz and 3.4Ghz, respectively. To be VERY conservative, and assume a 20% performance lead, at 3.7Ghz a E6300 equals a 4.44Ghz Athlon 64 X2. Note: No AMD processor, single core or dual core, air cooling or liquid nitrogen, has ever reached a speed of over 4.12Ghz.

Pwnt.

Note that the 3.4Ghz E6600 kicks the 3.7Ghz E6300's ass in SuperPi 1M because of the extra cache.

 

[MrWizard6600]

I'll say it once, and I'll say it again. Wait for AMD's 65nm counterpart to arrive. By then, Conroe (Core-2-Duo) and Kentsfield (Quad Core on the same process) will have some proper competition. I just pray that AMD gets it right the second time with AM3.

Intels pulling an "intel" on us again. too bad to because my definition of "to pull an intel" was always negitive, and then i saw core 2 duo and was like "oh! sweet! maybe we can drop the definition!" and then i saw plans for kentsfield and was loke... "nm"

to the point: intels quad core, is much like the early pentium Ds (sigh), two dual core procs on separate dies, and therefore two separate L1 and L2 caches (i would assume). im not sure on the naming of next gen AMD parts. i know one is "grayhound" and i believe thats the dual core series, the quadcore is sposed to be "brisbane" i think... anywho quad core K8L procs will have all four dies on one die, and just one L2 and L1 caches per core. futhermore i suspect you can expect AMD to release a version of every exicution made by Core 2 and not by K8.

so the real comparison between AMD and Intels Core2 cannot really be made, as AMDs offers arnt here yet.

another point that someone has yet to bring up (in my quick glance at this thread) is 4X4, in appropriatly named as it is, it should still put AMD back on the boards for pure performance. if the "FSB (man we really gotta come up with a new name for this)" or rather the bus connecting CPU 1 with the NB can hold up, two X2 3800s should be hella fun to watch. in multi threaded apps it will out perform everything, in single threaded apps, well that depends on your cpus overall clock.

people keep putting these "intel X proc = AMD X proc". doesnt work like that, they perform between each other, here are the cores, highest performing at the top and their prices (please note the performance i give is in the most CPU intensive games i can find, at 800X600, also my prices are estamates as right now, Newegg is price gouging.... bastards):

X6800 - $1040 - (note the unlocked multiplier)
E6700 - $559
FX-62 - $830
E6600 - $360
X2 5000+ - $400
E6400 - $235
E6300 - $200
X2 4600+ - $240
X2 4400+ - $190
X2 3800+ - $130 (best Price/performance here).

... imho...

i plan on getting a new comp in december. i plan on going with an X2 3800+ and liquid cooling, and just ocing it, as it can make some pretty fonominal clock speeds.

 

[chrisf6969]

Intels pulling an "intel" on us again. too bad to because my definition of "to pull an intel" was always negitive

Already know its going to be a fangirl OMG AMD RULZ, INTEL DROOLZ! j/k

to the point: intels quad core, is much like the early pentium Ds (sigh), two dual core procs on separate dies, and therefore two separate L1 and L2 caches (i would assume). im not sure on the naming of next gen AMD parts. i know one is "grayhound" and i believe thats the dual core series, the quadcore is sposed to be "brisbane" i think... anywho quad core K8L procs will have all four dies on one die, and just one L2 and L1 caches per core. futhermore i suspect you can expect AMD to release a version of every exicution made by Core 2 and not by K8.

Seperate cores/chips doesn't mean worse. It all depends on the FSB implementation. Look at your favorite X2 chip (single socket, not seperate chips) vs 2 single core Opteron (seperate) chips in a dual socket motherboard.

The extra memory bandwidth/HT channel (FSB implementation) makes it faster than an X2. So seperate doesn't always equal worse.

Besides, I thought AMD quad core was going to have four 512Kb L2's (not shared) then a single shared L3 cache.

 

[Poncho]

to the point: intels quad core, is much like the early pentium Ds (sigh), two dual core procs on separate dies,

LOL... and look where Pentium Ds got us? Do you think this stuff just pops out of somebodys ass working 100% perfect everytime? No... There are stages that these things go in to mature the technology/design and keep costs fairly low. Intel WILL release Quad Core this year... and they will update it with a better version next year (45nm?) when AMD will be rolling out their first 4 core product. Maybe AMD will have 65nm working by then.... then again maybe not.

 

[Theli]

E6400 != FX-62

FX-60 or X2 5000+ maybe...

Everyone knows C2D is faster but a lot of things are exagerrated in this thread.

It may depend on what type of benchmark you are using, but from what I've seen in terms of 1M SuperPi tests, the fastest single-processor AMD platform has scored about 20.8 seconds while the E6400 has been known to score around 15 seconds. The difference is even greater when it comes to rendering. source
The conroe tends to be slightly faster than the FX-62 per-clock, and it can generally be pushed higher. The fastest FX-62 in this case clocked at 3635.9 MHz and scored 23 seconds.

 

[Donnie27]

Intels pulling an "intel" on us again. too bad to because my definition of "to pull an intel" was always negitive, and then i saw core 2 duo and was like "oh! sweet! maybe we can drop the definition!" and then i saw plans for kentsfield and was loke... "nm"

to the point: intels quad core, is much like the early pentium Ds (sigh), two dual core procs on separate dies, and therefore two separate L1 and L2 caches (i would assume). im not sure on the naming of next gen AMD parts. i know one is "grayhound" and i believe thats the dual core series, the quadcore is sposed to be "brisbane" i think... anywho quad core K8L procs will have all four dies on one die, and just one L2 and L1 caches per core.

I think you got it backwards. Kentsfield may in fact be two C2D Dies on one package but they have 4 L1s and only TWO L2's. For Kentsfield to be compatible with current boards it also has to have a built-in Arbitration Logic chip like each die does. This does away with the need for an L3. See below?

K8L has 4 L1s, 4 L2s, and a L3 on one package. So what if AMD's PR guy was BSing when he said; "true native quad core". NO AMD quad core has one L2=P The mere FACT that each L2 is connected via Direct Connect/L3 means there's no Smart Cache access, no Smart memory access and etc... A L3 is used to help clean up latency issues.

IMHO, Kentsfield and K8L will be overkill for *most* Desktop users.

 

[Marvelous]

E6400 != FX-62

FX-60 or X2 5000+ maybe...

Everyone knows C2D is faster but a lot of things are exagerrated in this thread.

It's called reality...

 

[Theli]

An amendment to my point, take Toms Hardware's tests and especially note the difference between the FX-62 overclocked to 3.0 GHz and an E6600 running at stock speed (2.40 GHz). link
Not depending on your choice in applications and general areas of usage, I'd say they are tied. And the E6600 can be overclocked pretty nastily.

 

[Donnie27]

An amendment to my point, take Toms Hardware's tests and especially note the difference between the FX-62 overclocked to 3.0 GHz and an E6600 running at stock speed (2.40 GHz). link
Not depending on your choice in applications and general areas of usage, I'd say they are tied. And the E6600 can be overclocked pretty nastily.

QFT!

 

[empoy]

I see that the amd groupies have been busy lately

 

[J_I_M_B_O]

A better question is how does my Memron> T7200 (4MB Cache/2.00GHz/667MHz FSB)
pair up to the conroes? Like what model memron equals what model conroe?

 

[Poncho]

A better question is how does my Memron> T7200 (4MB Cache/2.00GHz/667MHz FSB)
pair up to the conroes? Like what model memron equals what model conroe?

Well... you can look for compairisons between Yonah and Conroe since Yonah and Merom perform about the same. It's pretty difficult to get an accurate comparison since they are 2 totally different platforms. Yonah and Merom are designed to run in laptops so they use much less power, not to mention the platforms themselves. You are really compaing apples to Oranges when you benchmark mobile and desktops then compare them.

 

[BillParrish]

A better question is how does my Memron> T7200 (4MB Cache/2.00GHz/667MHz FSB)
pair up to the conroes? Like what model memron equals what model conroe?

IMO I dont think it does compare, so lets see about it.


Download Superpi and run it on your notebook and take notes of the 1M and 2M times.

E6300 1M 17.625s
2M 42.328s

I am cheating with a substanial overclock on the E6300 but if you post your times I will run again at stock speeds and see what we get. Oh feel free to overclock your Meron as much as you want

 

[J_I_M_B_O]

No idea how to overclock anyways, and to afraid it'll damage my machine. But I'll be sure to run that, my laptops should be coming in tomorow or the next day