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Cooling my gaming rig.

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I've had this case for 3 years and recently upgraded a few parts.









I've had trouble cooling everything. I recently bought a Corsair H55 to cool my 965 and it idles at around 40 C. My mobo has also been getting warm so I modded the case to fit a second fan in the front. I also have dual corsair fans running on the side panel.

I thought about getting something roomier like a corsair vengeance but I can't justify spending a hundred bucks on a case right now.

Wondering if there is anything else I can do.

BTW sorry for the poor photos.
 
well extra air in front is good and side air is also good, but if you`re not giving enough place for that air to go out it will not be helping much, get rid of fan on top and let it flow "extra" air out as it sees fit this way it is not putting extra stress on fans trying to pull air out or making useless the fans pushing air in, I would also try with maybe 1 instead of 2 fans on the side panel.

Air is like water as they are both "fluids" try to think of it this way and visualize a nice smooth flow, try to pull that flow in to many directions it creates to much turbulence and will not cool so well, try to ram to much air into a small point and it chokes so you end up with dead air spots.

I know it can be tougher to do. But try keeping all the warm air going in "zones" instead of having it go all over try to condense it to specific spots, like maybe as an example have the rad in the top and block off the rear port if you can?

I am sure there is ways to do this, and of course if to much dust or to hot ambient temps it will not cool very well period. My 955 with hyper 212+ in Raven 3 case idles ~37c when at 4.2 full burn load I would hit in the ~52-56c range, but given my 955 also does not need a lot of voltage being c3 with a M5A99X EVO board, so this helps as well, the more heat being pushed into room, the hotter things will get :p

Though the wiring looks well done, try to get as clean as you can in this as well, the less in the way the faster the air goes in and out and will keep things close to ambient, even "modding" the H55 to use 2 fans instead of 1 might help force air a bit more in the desired direction?
 
I know it can be tougher to do. But try keeping all the warm air going in "zones" instead of having it go all over try to condense it to specific spots, like maybe as an example have the rad in the top and block off the rear port if you can?
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One of the flaws in this case is that it's very compact. I originally bought an H90 but the 140 rad plus fan would not fit. There is only clearance for a single 140 fan on top.

Another thing is that Corsair recommends cool air being pushed into the radiator rather than the heat being pulled out. I tested both ways and found they were right. The problem is the hot air then goes inside the case.
 
but air pulled through rad and out the top makes sense however that also means whatever heat the GPU/PSU are making will be cycled back so that's not good and am sure it may not be as good for the motherboard as well as it will not have as much air rushing to top.

hmm something else you could try, reverse the fans on front to push out instead of pull in as the ones on side will give enough air for card the one on top push down or out with rad in
so this way here it will be cooled in zones side to front and back to top be much less heat for that rad to be dealing with as well, might make hard drive a little warmer, but they are fine to be in the 35-50c range.
 
cyberjihad said:
why are people buying these crapsair coolers? you actually expect decent temps?
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Go back in your hole Troll.

I get wonderful temps on my rigs with the low end of the Hydro series. Even with my excessive OC for a Q8200. Hyper212 could only do mid high 70s. The H60 in it now does high 50s/ low 60s.
 
cyberjihad said:
why are people buying these crapsair coolers? you actually expect decent temps?
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It's 4-5C lower than a hyper 212. Yes that is probably not much but the H55 is only sixty bucks. That's not bad when you consider the problems it solves. I can now get tall ram, something I could have never down with heatsink coolers.
 
umm hyper212+ you can slide the fan up to allow taller ram, I do this with mine, and FYI the temps on it are actually quite good for a budget cooler, not talking farenheit, but Celsius, any decent cooler will keep a good quad at ~32c idle which mine does, load of ~40-50c which mine does so it is far from crap, the AIO liquid cooler have a higher threshold for heat A and B as mentioned are more compliant with many build, I don't use them cause I like air and don't want to deal with the issues if liquid fails.

21@+ I got for $30 double that gets same + a bit but liquid
 
dragonstongue said:
umm hyper212+ you can slide the fan up to allow taller ram, I do this with mine, and FYI the temps on it are actually quite good for a budget cooler, not talking farenheit, but Celsius, any decent cooler will keep a good quad at ~32c idle which mine does, load of ~40-50c which mine does so it is far from crap, the AIO liquid cooler have a higher threshold for heat A and B as mentioned are more compliant with many build, I don't use them cause I like air and don't want to deal with the issues if liquid fails.

21@+ I got for $30 double that gets same + a bit but liquid
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Hmmm

Not sure why my idle temps are so high. It is summer but it only gets up to 75F here.
 
not all chips are same, some motherboards need higher voltages, some cases not as good airflow etc. Try to redo the thermal paste some to much or not enough will definitely hurt temps.

I know for me is usually around 22-25c right now ambient idle after room warms up is ~33.5-35c gaming loads to ~42c when overclocked ~48c, my case is raven 3 when had in my centurion 590 would be ~35c load 46c gaming 52c the case matters big time, Love the raven 3 for its cooling.

Hard to say really, Hyper 212+ is far from powerful cooler, but it is definitely quite decent, a "budget" liquid cooler is going to warm up faster and not wick heat away as fast as a decent budget air cooler the capacity for heat are different, H60/H70 would be different cause that is stepping up a notch.

I do suggest if you can zip tie a fan or whatever to make the cooler a push pull and that will help.

Also yours is a 965 c2 stepping right? mine is a 955 c3 stepping which needs less voltage and generally runs cooler as well, I can probably push mine harder overall, I have had this to just over 4.3Ghz but then temps were becoming issue and volts were a bit higher then AMD recommended(1.45v would spike to sometimes 1.47 though some say 1.5v is fine if temps are good)

anyways, thermal paste can make difference, of course nice smooth airflow will make difference, zoning the air coming in and going out can as well examples 1/3 more air in then out or 1/3 more out then in or just making sure you match the air in and out so fans are not being overworked trying to push air in a smooth fashion.

Scout is not a bad case from what I have heard, though to be fair you do have a "budget" cooler as far as liquid is concerned where as mine is a decent performing tower heatsink at a slight cost they are very different parts of the market, just might take some time to fiddle around withy to find the best way to arrange your fans.

http://www.overclock.net/t/762754/h50-push-pull-mod-easy this might help?
 
It's interesting to me how people are throwing around 50C load temps with budget coolers. I've bought the best and probably most expensive air cooler possible, a NOCTUA NH-D14 SE2011, and It's still not enough to keep load temperatures under 80C when overclocked. Either I'm doing something very wrong, or my case is just working against the cooler.
 
M76 said:
It's interesting to me how people are throwing around 50C load temps with budget coolers. I've bought the best and probably most expensive air cooler possible, a NOCTUA NH-D14 SE2011, and It's still not enough to keep load temperatures under 80C when overclocked. Either I'm doing something very wrong, or my case is just working against the cooler.
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Or it depends on your chip. Like Ivy Bridge and Haswell have shitty temps because of the crap TIM they used under the heat spreader. My C2Q is soldered to the heat spreader.
 
My only suggestion would be to move the existing fan on the rad to the outside of the case, then adding a second one on the inside to create a push-pull. If one fan is stronger, use it for the push, but try to match them when possible (making sure they meet the CFM requirements that Corsair suggests; 50cfm per fan if I remember correctly).

Also, I run my hydro cooler against their recommendation as well. I really like the idea of dumping all the heat outside the case rather than inside. Also, play around with that top fan, you might have better results if you flip it around, but given the intakes I'm guessing you'll have the best results with it being an exhaust.
 
I think it would be best to seal the top side, or move the cpu fan to that location if possible to better control the air flow, I think its another of those to much air all over is not going to help its going to make worse some things and only really benefit others, and FYI control your own voltages, I have been able to devolt a lot more then motherboard would do by itself which saves power AND makes a very good difference in temps as well ~6c difference, not to mention did allow a higher clock and more performance at least in my case, Phenom II are not known to be wicked overclockers but they are quite capable IF you take the time to tune it well.

What CPU are you using M76? For me going with Hyper 212+ and best which is megahalems or DH14 load would be a rough 8c difference on the high end, however would on average allow a maybe 300mhz boost and slight less voltage keeping same temps it all depends on chip you have and/or what you are using, many budget coolers are VERY well made compared to a number of years ago keep that in mind, they also usually have higher cfm less dense heatfins so more air is passing through to help wick the heat, an efficient design will always win out over a massive surface area as air simply will only allow x temp to wick away, however that being said the larger surface done well of course has a larger capacity for heating and may not get cooler but also will not allow point of heat to get larger either.

Hope this makes sense, if A(cpu) makes B(heat) and gets C(created temp)heatsink D(ability to wick for various reasons) creates E(final temp after heatsink has done its thing) so if D is made better through larger surface area or just overall better design then it will change E, just cause heatsink is massive you cannot change laws of physics, if the point of heat is smaller or more intense or more spread out but just as hot the heatsink has to change to adapt, some heatsinks only use 4 6mm pipes and work as good as ones using 8 6mm pipes or 4 8mm pipes as they are just better designed or just have a much better contact zone.

DH14 and the top air coolers compared to truly budget coolers are night and day IF used on the right cpu something like a socket 1366 or 2011, however in the case of a 775/1156/1155/1150 generally speaking have more compact heatsource so many budget coolers end up cooling as good sometimes better then the ultra high end and even sometimes AIO type coolers, and yes of course the way heatspreader is attached makes a difference(which in itself is a barrier to heat but does protect the fragile cpu die and many put WAY to much thermal paste of course which is another barrier to heat)

Hyper 212 plus works within a few degrees Celsius of the top air coolers( I researched like mad before I went with it for my build) for many of the older and some newer sockets. HOWEVER if being pushed to the limits then of course the top coolers have more capacity and will show this difference(provided their contact zone is well designed in my case AM3/AM3+ is not a massive difference overall FX aside) air cooling can only be done so well, and as noticed when heat gets too much of a compact area then many coolers are starting to show they were not built for this (22nm seems that breaking point currently for various reasons however 32nm and larger 65nm especially they work wonders)
 
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I'm going to go out to a hardware store and try to match the screws corsair uses.

By the way what fan should I use on it? I'm currently using the one that came with a hyper 212.
 
you should match up the fans no matter which fans you are using(so you don't starve one fan or overwork the other as this can obviously not be beneficial in many regards) some like to go with Scythe GT, I like the stock hyper 212 fans being either the 69 or 76.8cfm one depending 69CFM Fan 76.8 CFM fan

however I have found other fans I love now they are Cougar CF-V12HPB they don't push quite as much air but are quieter and more directed air, spec wise they push I think it was 70cfm at 17.9dba and I am quite sure the specs don't lie on that, granted they do get a bit louder when constricted however still have very good pressure/flow even then and overall seem to be very close pressure/noise as the CM ones.

Generally stock Corsair fans on the AIO coolers are fine for pressure to noise ratio, a lot tend to change over for the scythe GT as they are regarded as some of the best noise/flow ratio fans going, these cougar fans however seem to be as good, easier to find, and less expensive if you look careful enough I also like the wiring job on them with the provided adapters :)

Hyper 212 should have come with adapters for second fan if not a second blademaster will(make sure to read whats included)
 
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Found some screws at a hardware store and was able to mount a second fan. Problem is that I don't have another hyper 212 fan. I had one of those cooler masters you recommended already so I put that in. I think it has lowered temps by 1-2c
 
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I think this has helped more than I initially thought. First of all I didn't realize that it got my cpu temps down by 4-5c instead of the 1-2c. I also think the inside of my case is pretty cool now that the cpu is blowing air outward.
 
I noticed this myself as well running single or dual fan, it may not keep cpu that much cooler but definitely helps vent more air outside the case so it may not make that much a difference off the hop but will given extended gaming periods, glad it helped you, now maybe just need to tweak the way the other fans are blowing the air around.
 
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