Cooling down a 3.6Ghz Prescott...

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yogiB

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Hi folks!

I'm new to this forum as well as to computer hardware in general. Therefore, it'd be good if your responses can be as "layman" as possible.

I just upgraded my computer to an Intel P4 3.6GHz processor and Intel D915GAV motherboard. Now, my problem is HEAT!

My setup uses the heat-sink and fan that, I assume, came with the processor (got the machine assembled at a store). The Intel software claims that the CPU area temperature is between 60 deg C - 65 deg C. This, I believe, is too much. I've heard that optimal temperature should be < 50C.

The Casing is such that there's a funnel that conducts air from a cut-out on one side directly to the processor fan. When I place my hand near the intake, I can feel the air being sucked in. But, inspite of this, the temperature is high.

So, my question is: how can I effectively cool the system WITHOUT taking the water-cooling route? Since I'm not too hardware savvy, WC is out of the question.

What are my other options? In case of products, please give brand names and on-line retailers where I might purchase those products.

Thank you very much for any help extended.
 
try and drop Vcore to 1.3 or so.

get some AS5 and follow the instructions on AS's website

get a aftermarket cooler and some AS5.

this tamed my 560j pressie.
 
welcome :)

if its a plastic fan with two levers on the heatsink then its a stock one

GET RID OF IT !!! :mad: they SUCK !!!

I have a Thermalright XP-90 and i'm running 40c
 
EnderW said:
I recommend the Thermalright XP-90.

You can get it here
http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=2474&cat=46&page=1

At the bottom choose:

Panaflo 92mm M1A 3pin
Artic Silver 5 3.5g


You will also need this to connect it to your motherboard
http://www.jab-tech.com/customer/product.php?productid=2570&cat=182&page=1


That is one of the better air cooling solutions out there and you should see a significant drop in temperatures.
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I have not heard of Jab-Tech. Their prices seem VERY good. NewEgg's prices are much higher on the XP-90.

How reputed are they compared to NewEgg? Is there a vendor discussion forum where I can find out more about them?

Thanks.
 
I recommend Thermaltake Slient 775. Its designed for Socker 775 so you don't need an adaptor and the fan is included. A snap to install and very good performence as well -- Keep my 3.4E @3.73 running under 56C *full load*.... Zalman 7700Cu is also a good cooler tho it's big and may not fit in your case. XP-120 performs even better than Slient 775 however you may need to buy an adaptor and a fan separately....as far as the cooling ability is concerned, I rate them in this order: XP120>Slient775>Zalman 7700Cu>=XP90>Zalman 7000Cu. Ive pretty much tried all of them, the order may vary on yours but at least this is what happened on mine...My vote for the all-around winner goes to Slient 775. It's cheaper than XP120/Zalman7700Cu, even XP90. Under full load, it cools almost as well as XP-120 and as in low noise as Zalman...
 
jfb9301 said:
try and drop Vcore to 1.3 or so.

get some AS5 and follow the instructions on AS's website

get a aftermarket cooler and some AS5.

this tamed my 560j pressie.
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He said as layman as possible. He probably has no clue what you're referring to at all.

To the original poster: you could remove the heatsink and fan that you have now, get rid of all the thermal interface paste thats on the bottom of it and the CPU itself and replace it with Arctic Silver 5 or maybe get a bigger heatsink and fan combo for that CPU socket by Zalman or Coolermaster.
 
yogiB said:
I have not heard of Jab-Tech. Their prices seem VERY good. NewEgg's prices are much higher on the XP-90.

How reputed are they compared to NewEgg? Is there a vendor discussion forum where I can find out more about them?

Thanks.
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I've ordered from them before and haven't had any problems
 
BossNoodleKaboodle said:
He said as layman as possible. He probably has no clue what you're referring to at all.

To the original poster: you could remove the heatsink and fan that you have now, get rid of all the thermal interface paste thats on the bottom of it and the CPU itself and replace it with Arctic Silver 5 or maybe get a bigger heatsink and fan combo for that CPU socket by Zalman or Coolermaster.
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Thanks, BossNoodleKaboodle. :)

You made a whole lot of sense!!

As you predicted, I didn't understand a HANG of what he said. :eek:

Thanks also to all others who've contributed. Great advice.
I'd love to go with XP-120, but I doubt my casing would allow it. There's hardly any room between the socket and the PSU.

Now doing some research on the XP-90 and Thermaltake Silent 775...
 
yogiB said:
Thanks, BossNoodleKaboodle. :)

You made a whole lot of sense!!

As you predicted, I didn't understand a HANG of what he said. :eek:

Thanks also to all others who've contributed. Great advice.
I'd love to go with XP-120, but I doubt my casing would allow it. There's hardly any room between the socket and the PSU.

Now doing some research on the XP-90 and Thermaltake Silent 775...
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Go with the XP-90 ;)
 
I use a zalman 7000 cu, with the adapter plate, mid 40's idle, 71c max @ 1.4125v (running prime 95)

and its still stable and without issues, 3.2 @ 3.77

i dont relly think the asus software is very accurate but if they dont throttle or shut off, then you havent hit the danger point, who cares
 
Slient 775 clearly beats XP-90. Besides, XP-90 needs an adaptor and a 90mm fan...dude, XP-90 is kinda obsolete IMO. GO with XP-120 or not at all. If talkin' abt cooling a 3.2E, XP-90 might cut it but 3.6E, come on!
 
CanadaOwnsJoo said:
I use a zalman 7000 cu, with the adapter plate, mid 40's idle, 71c max @ 1.4125v (running prime 95)

and its still stable and without issues, 3.2 @ 3.77

i dont relly think the asus software is very accurate but if they dont throttle or shut off, then you havent hit the danger point, who cares
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71C? God! You may need to run a throtting check ....

EDIT - the cooler the better NMWIMHO!
 
only time i see 71 C is prime 95 heat torture test, which i only run to test overclocking, real world stuff like CS:S , HL2, UT 2k4 etc it runs 65-67, still not great, looking at a swiftech h20 kit
 
Throttling shouldn't kick in until you hit 85C... so if your system is ~70C at full load, you should be doing okay.
 
ImLazZzy said:
Slient 775 clearly beats XP-90. Besides, XP-90 needs an adaptor and a 90mm fan...dude, XP-90 is kinda obsolete IMO. GO with XP-120 or not at all. If talkin' abt cooling a 3.2E, XP-90 might cut it but 3.6E, come on!
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Proof?
 
CastleBravo said:
You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes:

Thermaltake<<Thermalright.
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I know. Thermalright makes better stuff in general but Slient 775 is one of a few exceptions.
 
EnderW said:
Proof?
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I bought both for taming my 560 pressy and S775 cooled better. I sold XP-90 after comparing.
Also read a review somewhere cant remember but I'll do a google run
 
ImLazZzy said:
I bought both for taming my 560 pressy and S775 cooled better. I sold XP-90 after comparing.
Also read a review somewhere cant remember but I'll do a google run
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If you could find that review it'd be a GREAT help! Does it directly compare the performances of XP-90 vs. Silent 775? So, you're now using an S775?

My casing simply won't allow an XP-120 :( PSU is way too close to Mobo. Otherwise, I'd have jumped at it!!

Thanks.
 
Yes I am using S775 and it works great! It makes at lease a 7C-10C difference depending on the ventilation in your case. My 3.4@3.73 now idles at 40C-44C and nmw I thow at it, the temps never go beyond 60C. I remember now that review compares at least XP-120, S775 and Swiftech MXC775 side by side. At high fan speed, S775 is the winner of three when the cpu is idle while at full load, S775 is just 1-2C shy of XP-120. Too bad that I bought those coolers before I read that article...I'll try to dig it out for you...
 
check this out -- Thermaltake Silent 775 review

in this review:::::::::::::
for one instance(Sissoft2004 burn-in 20mins), it even beats XP-120. All others, the temp difference between S775 and X-120 is just 1-2C!!

another quote:"While appearance of this heatsink and fan combo is just as flashy as previous Thermaltake products, it is the performance, ease of installation and value that has impressed me. For general use I feel the Silent 775 is the most suitable LGA775 product reviewed to date."

EDIT: the author made a mistake(a typo) in the last para. Based on the chart, its supposed to be Swiftec MCX 775 "dramatically drop in temperature to 56 degrees" instead of XP-120
 
ImLazZzy said:
Slient 775 clearly beats XP-90. Besides, XP-90 needs an adaptor and a 90mm fan...dude, XP-90 is kinda obsolete IMO. GO with XP-120 or not at all. If talkin' abt cooling a 3.2E, XP-90 might cut it but 3.6E, come on!
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Why? the XP-90 performs just as good if not better than a XP-120
 
ImLazZzy said:
check this out -- Thermaltake Silent 775 review

in this review:::::::::::::
for one instance(Sissoft2004 burn-in 20mins), it even beats XP-120. All others, the temp difference between S775 and X-120 is just 1-2C!!

another quote:"While appearance of this heatsink and fan combo is just as flashy as previous Thermaltake products, it is the performance, ease of installation and value that has impressed me. For general use I feel the Silent 775 is the most suitable LGA775 product reviewed to date."

EDIT: the author made a mistake(a typo) in the last para. Based on the chart, its supposed to be Swiftec MCX 775 "dramatically drop in temperature to 56 degrees" instead of XP-120
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Thanks a lot for that review.

I noticed that the reviewer has also reviewed the XP-90 separately. But he did not make a direct comparison between the 90 and S775. Therefore, I e-mailed him asking for his opinion, based on his experience, on which might be the better product for my situation. I have still not heard from him. If I do, I'll keep ya'll posted.
 
ImLazZzy said:
Proof?
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If he links to a site that says so it must be true?? Dont worry about high prescott temps, I build about 3 prescott rigs a week and sell, they run hot, but they dont mind running hot. I dont even blink @ 70celsius anymore as long as it's stable.

Id be hard pressed to see any thermaltake outdo a thermalright as someone said above.

If you want to cool it you gotta pay to play. water or phase change it.

I havnt been around the SI forums in a while, what happened, Seems dead around here??
 
EnderW said:
I recommend the Thermalright XP-90.

At the bottom choose:

Panaflo 92mm M1A 3pin
Artic Silver 5 3.5g

That is one of the better air cooling solutions out there and you should see a significant drop in temperatures.
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Or even better the fan used in my sig and a cheap fan controller like the Zalman Fanmate-1 for $5. Gives you more cooling when/if you need/want it.
 
In that article, the XP-120 beats the Thermaltake thing in 5/6 of the tests. That said, unlike other Thermaltake products, it is at least a fairly close race.
 
CastleBravo said:
In that article, the XP-120 beats the Thermaltake thing in 5/6 of the tests. That said, unlike other Thermaltake products, it is at least a fairly close race.
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the xp-120's heatpipes activate at a certain temp, so while it is better at load, I'm surprised the idle temp wasn't a lot hotter.
 
ScHpAnKy said:
the xp-120's heatpipes activate at a certain temp, so while it is better at load, I'm surprised the idle temp wasn't a lot hotter.
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Even without the heatpipes, it is still a big hunk of nickel-plated copper with huge aluminum fins growing out of it. :D
 
CastleBravo said:
Even without the heatpipes, it is still a big hunk of nickel-plated copper with huge aluminum fins growing out of it. :D
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Which is why I can't fit it. :(

It's true the XP-120 beats the S775 in the review. Now the question is, does the XP-120 beat the XP-90? I'm sure it obviously does. From this we can reasonably conclude that the XP-120 is superior to both the XP-90 and S775. This, I believe, is by virtue of its size.

Then the next question that follows is: does the XP-90 beat the S775? According to some users of both the 90 and S775, NO is the answer. They claim the opposite: that the S775 beats the X-90.

I'm yet to come across a user of both these systems (90 & S775) who says the 90 is better than the S775.

As I posted previously, I e-mailed the author of the review asking him for his opinion on this, but I'm yet to hear from him.
 
yogiB said:
Which is why I can't fit it. :(

It's true the XP-120 beats the S775 in the review. Now the question is, does the XP-120 beat the XP-90? I'm sure it obviously does. From this we can reasonably conclude that the XP-120 is superior to both the XP-90 and S775. This, I believe, is by virtue of its size.

Then the next question that follows is: does the XP-90 beat the S775? According to some users of both the 90 and S775, NO is the answer. They claim the opposite: that the S775 beats the X-90.

I'm yet to come across a user of both these systems (90 & S775) who says the 90 is better than the S775.

As I posted previously, I e-mailed the author of the review asking him for his opinion on this, but I'm yet to hear from him.
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Just because the XP-120 is bigger than the XP-90 doesn't mean it's better. Check out the C/W ratings on the two heatsinks here:

http://overclockers.com/articles373/p4sum.asp

You may be able to get slightly better performance out of the XP-120 if you're concerned about low noise, but the difference would be barely noticable.
 
yogiB said:
Which is why I can't fit it. :(

It's true the XP-120 beats the S775 in the review. Now the question is, does the XP-120 beat the XP-90? I'm sure it obviously does. From this we can reasonably conclude that the XP-120 is superior to both the XP-90 and S775. This, I believe, is by virtue of its size.

Then the next question that follows is: does the XP-90 beat the S775? According to some users of both the 90 and S775, NO is the answer. They claim the opposite: that the S775 beats the X-90.

I'm yet to come across a user of both these systems (90 & S775) who says the 90 is better than the S775.

As I posted previously, I e-mailed the author of the review asking him for his opinion on this, but I'm yet to hear from him.
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I don't feel like reviews really give the XP series much credit, because of it's heat-pipe design the cpu will never actually hit 108 F, even at 2V, several of my P4's never have seen above 102F with a 95F room temp, completely independant of the fan's current RPM
so, it is and it isn't better. the XP-120 is everything short of water-cooling (and many will say it is, already!)
 
jesus people learn to read...the man cannot fit an xp-120 into his case

xp-90 vs. S775

that is what should be debated
 
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