considering mobo/cpu upgrade from 1366

These Xeon's (x5660) are like skypine27's 990x as they are built on the same 32nm and I really don't think he needs to upgrade yet till DDR4 platform is more evolved .
(x5660)
I run mine at 3.89Ghz and turbo to 4.2Ghz at 1.27v to 1.28 with vdroop and HT on ...under heavy gaming load I may see one core hit 50c .

BF4 hates windows 7 and if you run windows 8.1 then HTmakes this game run smooth even under CX 7950's..
 
JR88 said:
What does my age have to do with it?....you must be ignorant I'm telling you its smoother/way better with HT off running at 4.2Ghz right now....you need to learn a bit more bud...HT is damn near useless and not needed for BF4 I would need a good bit more Vcore and just further excessive heat already warm enough as it is.... older HT is just not utilized well... obvious blocking with threads/core usage hence the lag/hitching/stuttering/more latency I get, turn it off....
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Seriously JR88 again with more false information.....99% of us here including at battlefield forums fun ht on...so please stop talking...your kinda new here and already making a bad name for yourself:eek: Now there was a small amount of time that when bf3 came out it was advised to turn ht off.....but that lasted a couple weeks and a patch had it working from then on out.....and btw that was years ago...aside form that one particular incident ht has been nothing but a bonus...yea some people got slightly higher overclocks with it turned off, but those days are log gone with 32nm chips
 
fanboy said:
These Xeon's (x5660) are like skypine27's 990x as they are built on the same 32nm and I really don't think he needs to upgrade yet till DDR4 platform is more evolved .
(x5660)
I run mine at 3.89Ghz and turbo to 4.2Ghz at 1.27v to 1.28 with vdroop and HT on ...under heavy gaming load I may see one core hit 50c .
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what kind of cooling do you use to achieve that temp under load?
 
RamonGTP said:
Again, you are still not understanding the difference between temp and heat, so posting temps from common programs is a waste of time if you don't understand the implications, which you aren't, since you seem to be using the terms interchangeably.

The amount of heat they produces is immense compared to Haswell, even if their temps are not.
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(quoting my original post since it's so far back now)

Your missing a key point.

First of all, the difference in wattage between the two CPU's I mentioned is just 11w, that is about 12% more heat than haswell but the lithography allows more efficient removal of that heat. I think it is a stretch to claim the heat produced is "immense" compared to haswell.

Like I said though, there is a caveat. Someone mentioned you can run the memory at any speed you want which is why I drew the comparison between the memory speed.

The 4770 and 4790 have a stock supported memory speed of up to 1600, if you run your ram at 2400 you are overclocking the memory controller by a substantial margin which would increase the CPU wattage by quite a bit. By comparison, the general consensus for overclocking the Xeons is to run the BCLK lower resulting in memory speeds lower than 1600 (a small overclock for a Xeon memory controller) meaning a lower overclock on the memory controller and resulting in less heat.

In my own testing, running a 4770k stock with 2400mhz Ram on an air cooler (Megahalems) resulted in throttling.

Deimos said:
Just a couple of quick points in the Xeon (x58) vs 4770k "debate"

I have two high end machines running the above.

For memory bandwidth, Dual channel 2400Mhz (4770k) = Triple channel 1600Mhz (Xeon X58) however there is a great big caveat in that a 4770k (stock 3.9Ghz) running memory at 2400Mhz is WAY HOTTER than an overclocked (4.4Ghz) Xeon 5670 running 1600Mhz ram.

A 4770k (stock or overclocked) running a Radeon 7970 is WAY SLOWER than a Xeon 5670 overclocked with a Radeon R9 290X. Assuming you already had the 7970, spending the same amount of cash will get you either a CPU/Mobo upgrade or a Video card upgrade, the choice is pretty obvious.

Finally, Yes, few games are threaded, however you will still see a significant boost in gaming performance from the extra cores because the OS is heavily threaded including the display driver. You don't get more frames but the extra cores result in a smoother experience over the older bloomfield CPUs.
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welcome to ignore list....somehow i doubt i'm the first or the last...have a nice life:)
 
So just to recap, the only person recommending you ditch your 1366 setup is:

1. Brand new here

2. Generates a frothing fountain of misinformation while calling other people ignorant

3. Doesn't understand what a normal sentence..without excessive...ellipsis usage looks like...


Yeah. Stick to your 1366 setup mate ;) . There are only two reasons for you to upgrade:

A. Power consumption

B. The embarrassing generational gains in IPC from Nehalem-->Sandy-->Ivy-->Haswell have, together, added up to a discernible increase. However, for gaming and general computing Nehalem at 4 GHz is the bottleneck in only a few specific situations. If you're encoding all day or run high-power engineering simulations on your workstation, you will be well-served by an upgrade (but only to a hexacore SB/IB/Haswell). Something tells me you aren't that type of user, OP. If you mostly game and browse, don't give Intel your money.
 
shaolin95 said:
Dude you are 100% full of BS...I hope new users are able to tell all the dumb stuff you "share" here from the actual wise users that DO help unlike you.
Ignored!
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I wouldn't say 100% actually. HT does in fact increase power consumption and heat and it's not uncommon to hit higher OC with it disabled or be able to hit the same OC at a lower voltage. That isn't always the case but it's certainly a possibility.

That said, I haven't had any issues with HT and BF4
 
wabbitseason said:
So just to recap, the only person recommending you ditch your 1366 setup is:

1. Brand new here

2. Generates a frothing fountain of misinformation while calling other people ignorant

3. Doesn't understand what a normal sentence..without excessive...ellipsis usage looks like...


Yeah. Stick to your 1366 setup mate ;) . There are only two reasons for you to upgrade:

A. Power consumption

B. The embarrassing generational gains in IPC from Nehalem-->Sandy-->Ivy-->Haswell have, together, added up to a discernible increase. However, for gaming and general computing Nehalem at 4 GHz is the bottleneck in only a few specific situations. If you're encoding all day or run high-power engineering simulations on your workstation, you will be well-served by an upgrade (but only to a hexacore SB/IB/Haswell). Something tells me you aren't that type of user, OP. If you mostly game and browse, don't give Intel your money.
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haha i gathered most of that. i've been playing around a bit and hit 4ghz stable at 1.26v, maxing out around 78c ;)
 
As someone who just went from a 980X to a 5960X, keep your money. Even the M.2 PCIe SSD I thought would be a night-and-day difference is something I probably wouldn't be able to pick out of a double-blind test.
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
As someone who just went from a 980X to a 5960X, keep your money. Even the M.2 PCIe SSD I thought would be a night-and-day difference is something I probably wouldn't be able to pick out of a double-blind test.
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that's the comparison i was looking for :D

thanks for the input
 
I just got a x5660 fron eBay ..... What are they overclocking to?

Im coming from an i7 920
 
Hey, I just wanted to thank everyone that posted in this thread with advice. I've been itching to upgrade from my i7 930, but I didn't really *need* too. I just ordered a x5670 from eBay for 125 USD shipped to Canada. I have a Corsair H90, hopefully I can get a decent clock out of it with that.

Suggestions on what to do with the 930? I was gonna buy a mobo for it and build a sweet little steam box, but X58 boards seem pretty pricey...
 
~ever~ said:
I just got a x5660 fron eBay ..... What are they overclocking to?

Im coming from an i7 920
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depends a little on your board what multi it uses but it is say 4ghz to 4,2ghz is the norm. I have a 5670 so im able to run 191*22 for a very easy 4.2ghz.....if your stuck with 21 multi that would net you 4ghz at 191blck with very low voltage. I think you should start there and see what happens:D
 
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