Conroes just run hot

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oozish

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After pulling my hair out trying to get lower temps & doing all sorts of reinstalls of the HSF ect. (even installing a water cooled system to see how much better that is) for the past 2 weeks...I idle at 41 and max around 56....I find it interesting to note the temps at this review site. My ambient temperature is 78-80:

http://www.pro-clockers.com/reviews.php?id=158&page=7

Same temps, even higher, than I run with my Thermaltake BT. Is the concern over my range of temps a big myth-=-I'm running 3.2 overclock with these temps (41 idle; 52-54--to as high as 58 load late afternoon--it jumps around). Right now running ORTHOS my max is 54, that's in the morning before the sun starts heating this place up.

Seems pretty normal. I was thinking of upgrading to a better heatsink fan but that's a big PITA and it doesn't look like it's going to make such a difference anyway if those temps are right. I guess I compare to those out there always talking about 30 idle and 40 load...that doesn't seem possible to me.
 
41c is not a bad temp especially if your overclocking. I've had pressies idle at 55-60c and 65-70c load.
 
of the 4 6400's i have got to play with, they all seem to run a bit warm too.....but i also agree with the post above that they run a little cooler than the previous models....right now i have an lga 3.0 ghz that idles at 50.....which just seems nutz to me
 
Yeah those temps really arent that horrible. Although Conroes have been known to have a rather less than flat IHS. If your still worried about your temps you could try lapping the IHS. I have seen many people benefit from this...
 
I would focus on improving case airflow before upgrading something as good as that thermaltake.
 
lol conroes run hot...if conroes run hot, then what do X2's and Pentium D's run? The only chips you're going to find that run cooler than the conroes are mobile chips.

Most conroes at 65W TDP. Compare that to the 85-125W TDP ratings of X2's and PD's.
 
Well i have a E6300 running at 3.1ghz @ 1.35v.

It idles (depending on room temps) from 24c-30c and dual priming and video card stressing about 45c.

I do have great air flow in my case though and an after market Thermalright cooler......
 
Eva_Unit_0 said:
Most conroes at 65W TDP. Compare that to the 85-125W TDP ratings of X2's and PD's.
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My understanding is that Intel's TDP is the lower range of the thermal range (i.e., you can expect it to start at 65W), and that AMD's is the upper range (i.e., you can expect it to max out at 95W, or whatever the chip's spec'ed at). That right?
 
Eva_Unit_0 said:
lol conroes run hot...if conroes run hot, then what do X2's and Pentium D's run? The only chips you're going to find that run cooler than the conroes are mobile chips.

Most conroes at 65W TDP. Compare that to the 85-125W TDP ratings of X2's and PD's.
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I mean 'hot' in comparison to all the people saying how low their conroes run. If you read through the temperature thread about conroes you'll find the MAJORITY of people have temps right in line with what I'm getting.

Also, I have great air flow in both cases I've had; just upgraded to the P180 and I got my silenX fan I'm going to replace the thermal take with and I'll let you know if that makes any difference.

with the lower voltage ect. I just expected these chips to run cooler. However, keep in m ind I am operating at overclocked settings 24/7
 
Hi Oozish,

My e6400 (with a cnps9500) oc'd to 3.2 ghz idles around 40 + or - depending on room temperature. At load (rendering) about 47 or so. At load with 2 x p95 make it 54.

Those are all pc probe temps. The core temp is always about 4-5 warmer so the 2 x p95 has a core temp of 59.

I have a p180 case with the front of the case largly opened up (I took of the door, air covers and filters - improved temps by 4c)

Kandor
 
This is with the crappy intel HSF. I used AS5 and put an extra fan inside my P180 for a total of 4 case fans. I do have them all running in "silent" mode though, if I run them full blast the temps drop to 31 on coretemp and 33 with asus'.

What I think the main problem with some conroes running hot and some not is that some are flater than others. When I got my it was completely flat, at least to my nakid eye, if it was not I was gonna lap it. I saw no need to though.... I have yet to over clock cause my build is 1 day old but I think I will be sitting pretty with intel's HSF when I do.

Funny thing about this pic is coretemp shows my temps lower than asus' program.
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kandor said:
Hi Oozish,

My e6400 (with a cnps9500) oc'd to 3.2 ghz idles around 40 + or - depending on room temperature. At load (rendering) about 47 or so. At load with 2 x p95 make it 54.

Those are all pc probe temps. The core temp is always about 4-5 warmer so the 2 x p95 has a core temp of 59.

I have a p180 case with the front of the case largly opened up (I took of the door, air covers and filters - improved temps by 4c)

Kandor
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This sounds like my board to a tea.
 
object88 said:
My understanding is that Intel's TDP is the lower range of the thermal range (i.e., you can expect it to start at 65W), and that AMD's is the upper range (i.e., you can expect it to max out at 95W, or whatever the chip's spec'ed at). That right?
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Yes that's correct. AMD uses "worst case scenario" while Intel uses average. I'd consider it deceiving, especially as an engineer b/c you always design for worst-case-scenario, not "average". That said, regardless of the discrepancies, Intel does have the advantage at the moment.
 
Toobernoober,

I just really think there is something wrong with my processor or mb...when i first got it I had temps like yours...now it's totally different; I can't get in the 30C range on anything.

Even at STOCK spees, my cpu idles at 40 or higher
 
oozish said:
Toobernoober,

I just really think there is something wrong with my processor or mb...when i first got it I had temps like yours...now it's totally different; I can't get in the 30C range on anything.

Even at STOCK spees, my cpu idles at 40 or higher
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So at stock bios settings your idling at 40+ but when you first got it at stock bios settings you were in the low 30's? Maybe somewhere along the line of all all your HSF adjustments you warped the IHS? Have you checked the flatness of it lately?
 
I pretty much have the same issue too. Im using an E6300 overclocked to 3.21GHz (458*7) and using my scythe infinity w/ a 92CFM 120mm fan, im idling @ 40-42c and Dual SP2004 load @ 53/54c. I was hoping that these chips would run a little cooler, but as long as this OC is stable, what the hell do I care :D I have never checked temp running @ stock speeds, but I can only guess they would drop a lot.
 
Another thing, that's interesting, is my load temp is only 47 if I'm doing dual super pi or something, it's only ORTHOS that can get it as h ot as the mid 50's/hi 50's...Other things utilizing 100% cpu load don't hit it that hard. I wonder if other people who report low temps are doing orthos or something else. That would make a difference.
 
newls1 said:
I pretty much have the same issue too. Im using an E6300 overclocked to 3.21GHz (458*7) and using my scythe infinity w/ a 92CFM 120mm fan, im idling @ 40-42c and Dual SP2004 load @ 53/54c. I was hoping that these chips would run a little cooler, but as long as this OC is stable, what the hell do I care :D I have never checked temp running @ stock speeds, but I can only guess they would drop a lot.
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Actually my temp at stock speeds is only 1-2 C lower than overclocked so there is no point As far as I can tell...

btw, looks like a remount with some of that Antec Factor 5 silver stuff has helped me, I'm hitting a ceiling around 52 now at load; oh, and I put in another mid-case fan (120mm) in the P180 that has to be helping cool something, lol.
 
cross forum quote time :D
Holst said:
I think for 3 or more years ive been saying this... it even used to be my sig.

Onboard temperature monitoring is pointless, you are better off giving your dog 100 buscuits to eat, letting it eat for 3 minutes then counting the remaining biscuits and using this number as your load temp. Give the dog another minute of eating to get idle temp..
For greedy fat dogs/prescott use 200 biscuits, for small dogs/via chips use only 50.

Can I put it any more simply than that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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oozish said:
This sounds like my board to a tea.
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I see you've got nicer ram than I do, otherwise identical systems. I'd be interested in comparing a benchmark to see what difference that ram makes.

I have OCZ Platinum ddr2 800 running 2.1v 4-5-4-15

Yours shows 4-4-4-12.

Let me know if you've done a bench on it, tell me and I'll try the same one.

Kandor
 
Temp-wise, I think you're fine. I'm on stock intel fan, running a very slight overclock on my e6400 at 2.4ghz, and it idles around 41 degrees Celcius...looking at other forums, etc, this seems about dead on, I do believe 38-44 idle is about the norm...the big variance due to case temps etc

-Ashley
 
Here are mine (Core temp actual die temps/Speedfan sensor off motherboard near cpu):

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Room temp during this day was bout 75-78 deg...
 
The temperatures you have mentioned are of limited value unless you also indicate room temp and the utility/tool used to meassure said temp.

The only way to know if our cpu temp is on the high (or low) side is by knowing the difference with room temp, and compare this difference with those of other forum members. That is also the only way to compare cpu coolers performance.

The utility/tool is also important. I am sure you all (or most) know that temps shown by TAT and Core Temp are 14/15 degrees C higher that temps shown by Speed Fan and most BIOS. At least this is so for Core 2 Duo processors - I am not sure about other cpu's, nor other utilities.

So, please... let's try to include all the information, in order to compare apples to apples.

Having said the above, I must confess that I need to buy something (a thermometer..) to have a better idea of my room's temps.....
 
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