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um, modernization in what regard, format change? some 3dish effects? font change? what does your company do exactly? is there ANY compensation other then the potential to do other projects for your company?
 
yeah man someone should make a sticky "ONLY PAID WORK" its fucking hard to come up with logos i dont know if people realize that.
 
Xhar V1.0

I think the logo is pretty nice as is, but here is my quick take on it. Ideally I would have created a vector image, then applied the simple effects, but I was just making this as a concept. Is that what you meant by effects?
 
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Nicely done Jizzypop. Couldn't have done better myself... literally. Although I think slightly more reflection would help accentuate the clean look that you seem to be shooting for.
 
Lethal said:
Holy crap, I got like 4 popups from that link. :rolleyes:
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:eek: What browser? Zero here, and I haven't done anything particularly special to Firefox.


BBerthelsen said:
I dont mind at all! The only thing important is that the logo pentagon is in there.
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So if I understand correctly, that pretty much just leaves changing the font, color, and positioning of the text. Or is the hexagon itself open to change, as long as it's still clearly hexagonal?
 
Well, if it needs to be printed, it has to be in vector format, which makes stuff like reflections hard to include - is it possible to adapt the hexagonic logo, or must it remain exactly the same?

EDIT: example:
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Here's a couple i tried. Not vector format yet, just an idea.

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Actually, what does AS stand for, please? Could be better if i had the full wording
 
BBerthelsen said:
The logo must be the same logo pictured below, we are only looking for "modernization" of our existing logo.
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If everybody notes the above I'm sure this will be easier for YOU guys.
The way he words it is that he does NOT want the logo to be changed, nor the layout of the logo, but to "modernize" the logo. E.g., re-create it in a higher quality format with, say, bevels, shadows, etc.

But, as my $0.02, jizzy's logo is the best thus far.
 
Also, does that little slash through the "o" mean anything, or is that just for style?
 
I do logos at my work every day, and we charge $110/hr. It takes many revisions, untill logo is created, that satisfies the customer, so average time spent on a logo is 4-8 hours.

You are offering $100, what kind of cheap-ass company is that for?
 
BBerthelsen said:
soundmax, that is for the initial design. Not for a complete job. Please read a post before putting your asshat on. No, go away.

By the way, wouldnt offering your services at a board like this conflict with your companys interests ?
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1. I dont see offer amount for full design anywhere, i see only $100, so maybe you should post that as well...

2. I didnt offer my services, i just gave comment.

3. No, it would not conflict with any interests, what i do in my free time is my business.
 
soundmax said:
3. No, it would not conflict with any interests, what i do in my free time is my business.
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How you present yourself away from work, both online and in real life, reflects on your employer whether you want it to or not. I can guarantee that your employer is aware of this, and I can guarantee that they have a stake in it once you start talking about their business. Take it for what it's worth.
 
BBerthelsen said:
soundmax, that is for the initial design. Not for a complete job. Please read a post before putting your asshat on. No, go away.

By the way, wouldnt offering your services at a board like this conflict with your companys interests ?
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actually it was indeed a valid question
what compensation is being paid to those that do developemnt but arent selected?

and asshat isnt a word that will endear you to either the membership or the staff

forums like these provide students with potential portfolio work
but as far as the ethics of it...

http://www.gag.org/about/fair_code.php


The Code of Fair Practice for the Graphic Communication Industry

The intention of the Code is to uphold existing law and tradition and to help define an ethical standard for business practice in the graphic communications industry. Drafted in 1948, the Code was conceived to promote equity for those engaged in creating, selling, buying and using graphic arts. The Code has been used successfully since its formulation by thousands of industry professionals to create equitable relationships in the business of selling and buying art. Each artist should individually decide whether to enter art contests or design competitions, provide free services, work on speculation or work on a contingent basis. Each artist should independently decide how to price work.
Relations between Artists and Buyers

The word "artist" should be understood to include creative people in the field of visual communications such as illustration, graphic design, photography, film and television. This code provides the graphic communications industry with an accepted standard of ethics and professional conduct. It presents guidelines for the voluntary conduct of persons in the industry which may be modified by written agreement between the parties.

Article 1 Negotiations between an artist or the artist's representative and a client shall be conducted only through an authorized buyer.

Article 2 Orders or agreements between an artist or artist's representative and buyer should be in writing and shall include the specific rights which are being transferred, the specific fee arrangement agreed to by the parties, delivery date and a summarized description of the work.

Article 3 All changes or additions not due to the fault of the artist or artist's representative should be billed to the buyer as an additional and separate charge.

Article 4 There should be no charges to the buyer for revisions or retakes made necessary by errors on the part of the artist or the artist's representative.

Article 5 If work commissioned by a buyer is postponed or canceled, a "kill-fee" should be negotiated based on time allotted, effort expended and expenses incurred. In addition, other lost work shall be considered.

Article 6 Completed work shall be promptly paid for in full and the artwork shall be returned promptly to the artist. Payment due the artist shall not be contingent upon third-party approval or payment.

Article 7 Alterations shall not be made without consulting the artist. Where alterations or retakes are necessary, the artist shall be given the opportunity of making such changes.

Article 8 The artist shall notify the buyer of any anticipated delay in delivery. Should the artist fail to keep the contract through unreasonable delay or non-conformance with agreed specifications, it will be considered a breach of contract by the artist. Should the agreed timetable be delayed due to the buyer's failure, the artist should endeavor to adhere as closely as possible to the original schedule as other commitments permit.

Article 9 - [NEW] Whenever practical, the buyer of artwork shall provide the artist with samples of the reproduced artwork for self-promotion purposes.

Article 10 There shall be no undisclosed rebates, discounts, gifts, or bonuses requested by or given to buyers by the artist or representative.

Article 11 Artwork and copyright ownership are vested in the hands of the artist unless agreed to in writing. No works shall be duplicated, archived or scanned without the artist's prior authorization.

Article 12 Original artwork, and any material object used to store a computer file containing original artwork, remains the property of the artist unless it is specifically purchased. It is distinct from the purchase of any reproduction rights.* All transactions shall be in writing.

Article 13 In case of copyright transfers, only specified rights are transferred. All unspecified rights remain vested with the artist. All transactions shall be in writing.

Article 14 Commissioned artwork is not to be considered as "work for hire" unless agreed to in writing before work begins.

Article 15 When the price of work is based on limited use and later such work is used more extensively, the artist shall receive additional payment.

Article 16 Art or photography should not be copied for any use, including client presentation or "comping" without the artist's prior authorization. If exploratory work, comprehensives, or preliminary photographs from an assignment are subsequently chosen for reproduction, the artist's permission shall be secured and the artist shall receive fair additional payment.

Article 17 If exploratory work, comprehensives, or photographs are bought from an artist with the intention or possibility that another artist will be assigned to do the finished work, this shall be in writing at the time of placing the order.

Article 18 [NEW] Electronic rights are separate from traditional media and shall be separately negotiated. In the absence of a total copyright transfer or a work-for-hire agreement, the right to reproduce artwork in media not yet discovered is subject to negotiation.

Article 19 All published illustrations and photographs should be accompanied by a line crediting the artist by name, unless otherwise agreed to in writing.

Article 20 The right of an illustrator to sign work and to have the signature appear in all reproductions should remain intact.

Article 21 There shall be no plagiarism of any artwork.

Article 22 If an artist is specifically requested to produce any artwork during unreasonable working hours, fair additional remuneration shall be paid.

Article 23 All artwork or photography submitted as samples to a buyer should bear the name of the artist or artists responsible for the work. An artist shall not claim authorship of another's work.

Article 24 All companies that receive artist portfolios, samples, etc. shall be responsible for the return of the portfolio to the artist in the same condition as received.

Article 25 An artist entering into an agreement with a representative for exclusive representation shall not accept an order from nor permit work to be shown by any other representative. Any agreement which is not intended to be exclusive should set forth the exact restrictions agreed upon between the parties.

Article 26 Severance of an association between artist and representative should be agreed to in writing. The agreement should take into consideration the length of time the parties have worked together as well as the representative's financial contribution to any ongoing advertising or promotion. No representative should continue to show an artist's samples after the termination of an association.

Article 27 Examples of an artist's work furnished to a representative or submitted to a prospective buyer shall remain the property of the artist, should not be duplicated without the artist's authorization and shall be returned promptly to the artist in good condition.

Article 28 [Original Article 28 has been deleted and replaced by Article 29] Interpretation of the Code for the purposes of arbitration shall be in the hands of the Joint Ethics Committee or other body designated to resolve the dispute, and is subject to changes and additions at the discretion of the parent organizations through their appointed representatives on the Committee. Arbitration by the Joint Ethics Committee or other designated body shall be binding among the parties, and decisions may be entered for judgment and execution.

Article 29 Work on speculation; Contests: Artists and designers who accept speculative assignments (whether directly from a client or be entering a contest or competition) risk losing anticipated fees, expenses, and the potential opportunity to pursue other, rewarding assignments. Each artist shall decide individually whether to enter art contests or design competitions, provide free services, work on speculation, or work on a contingency basis.

* Artwork ownership, copyright ownership and ownership and rights transferred after January 1, 1978 are to be in compliance with the Federal Copyright Revision Act of 1976.
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in short your mining free ideas, by offering a carrot, you have not infact offered a specific contract or awarded any contract, just the promise of one, and further no real contact information has been provided

taking exception to the professionals pointing that out on this board isnt going to endear you with anyone,
and violating the actual rules of this board specifically namecalling) will see the mine shut
 
HorsePunchKid said:
How you present yourself away from work, both online and in real life, reflects on your employer whether you want it to or not. I can guarantee that your employer is aware of this, and I can guarantee that they have a stake in it once you start talking about their business. Take it for what it's worth.
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Slavery ended long time ago, so my employer is not my owner. By not using name of company i work for, im presenting myself as an individual, not part of company i work for. (i dont know where did you see in my post that i wrote anything about company i work for, except that i am in design industry and what is going rate for logo designs in design industry). So spare yourself "corporate mission statements", and read what people actually write...
 
soundmax said:
(i dont know where did you see in my post that i wrote anything about company i work for, except that i am in design industry and what is going rate for logo designs in design industry).
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Given that the majority of people in this country who are working do work for a company (as opposed to being completely independent), it seems reasonable to conclude that a person who claims to work "in the industry" on a team does, in fact, work for a company. If my conclusion was faulty, I apologize, but don't jump on me for your failure to communicate your situation adequately. ;)


soundmax said:
Slavery ended long time ago, so my employer is not my owner. By not using name of company i work for, im presenting myself as an individual, not part of company i work for.
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If you don't believe that your actions away from work can be used against you by your employer, you are quite mistaken. With just a cursory search on Google News, I was able to find about a half a dozen apparently unrelated articles about employees being dismissed for their online activities. There's a reason people have started putting those ridiculous disclaimers on their communications.


soundmax said:
So spare yourself "corporate mission statements"...
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I don't actually have any idea what you mean by this. As far as I can tell, mission statements don't have anything to do with this discussion. :confused: I try my best to "read what people actually write", but sometimes it can be difficult to extract anything meaningful from what people write...
 
soundmax said:
what kind of cheap-ass company is that for?
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Ice Czar said:
actually it was indeed a valid question
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Not in my book. A valid question does not insult the person being questioned.

His point was valid, though, and it has been addressed several times on this subforum. Since these topics tend to degenerate like this, perhaps we should have a sticky about logo offers, or possibly such requests should be moved to FS/FT?
 
of course the question could have easily been stated with far more tact :p
which is why the reply wasnt acted on either ;)

the problem with a sticky is qualifiying the asker
its one thing for a small time startup or even someone asking for sig work
and another for a professional company of some size

historically in advertsing "competing" for an account is common practise, the development work being "fronted" and the campaign then awarded, whereas in a graphics program firms are interviewed and selected based on thier work.

the problem with the competing senerio in this case is that it doesnt really fit either category
in advertising, a basic budget for a campaign is known and the firm awarded the contract would get serious placement commissions, here future work and its value is unknown.

While those were the general models, the industry has always been undercut with firms and artists unaware of what is considered "fair" that has accelerated considerably with the rise of the internet and the anonomous ability to just ask for "development" and find a nexus of hungry creative talent.

These posts are supposed to be educational for both parties
the "directives" as an admin are limited to, employ more tact and be polite ;)
 
HorsePunchKid said:
If you don't believe that your actions away from work can be used against you by your employer, you are quite mistaken. With just a cursory search on Google News, I was able to find about a half a dozen apparently unrelated articles about employees being dismissed for their online activities. There's a reason people have started putting those ridiculous disclaimers on their communications....
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You mean online activities while at work? (because that is what people do get fired for), Or activities after your workday is finished (what i was actually talking about)?

I think that you dont know what you are talking about. What people do in their free time (i.e. do extra work, drink, jump from a cliff, or whatever else, has nothing to do with company they work for, unless they, 1. get arrested, 2. break a law, 3. openly write stuff about their workplace, etc.)

Seriously man, think before you post things that make no sense whatsoever..
 
Jeezus, this topic went WAY... WAY off topic. What happened to the original design work and why'd the OP edit all of his posts to "Del"?
 
I just got here myself. I dunno, but I guess I don't have to worry about a logo now.
 
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