C'mon nVidia - support freesync!

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Well, as the title says, i am currently an owner of a 980ti sli setup.

so i tried the 270HU (144Hz ips + gsync) and got a crappy version - sent it back - did not play the panel lottery.

so am now on the phillips 40" 4k - the 980 ti sli allmost run all my titles good, but its only good - i want great.

i had a some point the 970 and a 280hk gsync, this was closer to great - and alot cheaper..

but nooo, the grass is allways greener on the other side, so therefor i used alot of money to get to a lesser experience.

had i just bought a single 980ti to use with my 280HK

i want a screen with some adaptive sync going on, i don't really care if it's freesync or gsync.

BUT - i dont wanna pay double for the same product, so.. next generation - unless things change.. i will go with whatever ati puts out.. not due to ACE or whatever..

its simply due to cost of ownership for what is allmost the same experience.

and i think that a fury 2 with a freesync screen will make for a great combo.

or, stupid nVidia could just stop being spoiled fat greedy children and start supporting freesync
 
While I get the rant, I own a Freesync monitor as well because I won't spend another couple hundred on a monitor just for gsync, I dont think this will ever happen officially from Nvidia. Why would it? Because if it did. then no one would by a gsync monitor and all the R&D that went into gsync would be for nothing to Nvidia. They don't want to support freesync for the same reason why you and I do not want to spend the extra cash, because gsync costs more to use since its proprietary.

I'd love to see some freesync love on the nvidia side of things, but unless someone mods a driver again to get it to work, i doubt we will see this request become a reality.
 
So you spent 1300 on 2 cards but are worried about another 100 - 200 for gsync? There are new gsync monitors coming wait it out or just buy AMD and free sync.
 
KickAssCop said:
So you spent 1300 on 2 cards but are worried about another 100 - 200 for gsync? There are new gsync monitors coming wait it out or just buy AMD and free sync.
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Cost in cards aside, I do see his gripe. I mean if I had a 970 and a freesync monitor I would still wish it was supported somehow on nvidia hardware. Proprietary technology like gsync isn't good for this industry regardless of what you may or may not think.
 
Stev3FrencH said:
While I get the rant, I own a Freesync monitor as well because I won't spend another couple hundred on a monitor just for gsync, I dont think this will ever happen officially from Nvidia. Why would it? Because if it did. then no one would by a gsync monitor and all the R&D that went into gsync would be for nothing to Nvidia. They don't want to support freesync for the same reason why you and I do not want to spend the extra cash, because gsync costs more to use since its proprietary.

I'd love to see some freesync love on the nvidia side of things, but unless someone mods a driver again to get it to work, i doubt we will see this request become a reality.
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I don't think there was much R&D they've put into it at all. The technology is the same as Freesync uses - and having owned both Freesync and Gysnc solutions they work exactly the same. I'd bet nVidia put 10x the investment into the branding of Gsync than R&D for it.

That said, I totally agree with you: NVidia is going to ride the Gsync pony as long as people keep choosing to pay 10-20% extra vs Freesync for monitors.
 
harmattan said:
I don't think there was much R&D they've put into it at all. The technology is the same as Freesync uses - and having owned both Freesync and Gysnc solutions they work exactly the same. I'd bet nVidia put 10x the investment into the branding of Gsync than R&D for it.

That said, I totally agree with you: NVidia is going to ride the Gsync pony as long as people keep choosing to pay 10-20% extra vs Freesync for monitors.
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No they don't.
Making up stuff and then posting said stuff as a "fact" is very bad behaviour.
NVIDIA has some "secret sauce" running that (on the SAME panels) reduce ghosting eg.

Just stop.
 
Nvidia's CEO would be idiotic to support FreeSync at this time. Nvidia is guaranteeing a graphics card sale if a person buys a GSYNC monitor. Then Nvidia gets a portion of the monitor's profit. That is making two sales for every video card purchase.

What is their incentive for leaving this business model? None as far as I can tell. If an Nvidia user wants a FreeSync experience then buy a GSYNC monitor. Double profit is the way to go.

All Nvidia needs is 55" 4K displayport GSYNC monitors like FreeSync has. If Nvidia would drop a GSYNC module into these they would sell 10x faster as they do now even if Nvidia raised the price to $3,500.

Instead of asking for FreeSync support ask for larger monitor support from Nvidia.
 
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Why does it matter whether a monitor has any of this sink bullcrap? Nobody should use it. Backlight strobing works on LCDs and ha much better effects than GSINK or FSINK nonsense.
 
No, thanks. I'm willing to spend a little extra for the superior technology.
 
Not going to happen. The only way freesync gets support from nvidia is if all monitor manufacturers decide to standardize on freesync (ie every monitor has it) and actually kills all future gsync support.
 
Stop whining and pay up.


and.. pay some more.
 
WTF does Apple have to do with this? Reviews have shown G-Sync is better than FreeSync unless AMD has managed to fix the problems (primarily ghosting) with new monitors. Nvidia claims their module handles overshoot/undershoot to prevent ghosting so AMD might never fix it.

FreeSync is a budget solution at a budget price, there's nothing wrong with that. It would be nice if Nvidia supported it to give their customers more options, but if I'm already going to spend extra money on an adaptive monitor then I may as well get the better quality implementation.
 
Eventually you'll get your wish as adaptive synchronization will be folded into the DisplayPort standards. That doesn't mean GSync goes away it just means that 80% of what it can do (and all of what FreeSync does) will be a part of every videocard and every monitor that includes a DP port (i.e. pretty much all of them). Just give it a couple years.
 
NVIDIA already stated they won't support an inferior solution. I don't blame them, the current state of quality control with freesync is abysmal. With ghosting and stuttering issues that likely won't get resolved. Rumor has it that Gysnc 2.0 is coming with HDR so just one more reason not to support freesync.
 
Rather than have nvidia support Freesync, I'd like Gsync to be cheaper. AFAIK the module still uses a FPGA so it needs to go ASIC pronto.

I think it should be possible to integrate it into a scaler for more cost reductions.
 
For me personally, I would love to see an option. I'm all prepared to invest in GSYNC as it is the better technology, but I can understand that not everyone is willing to do so. After all, for most of us, it's all about making compromises when it comes to PC hardware. For example, some people out there are willing to use average TN panels, sacrificing quality for affordability, and I think they should be free to do so.
 
Yakk said:
Yup, Apple got it right.
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Apple, inferior product with a superior case charge a fortune. Make your ads flashy to distract people from your poor software and hardware.

Yep they got it right, and proved that people are stupid.
 
I have a G2460PG paired up with OCed 970 and honestly, I'm more than happy with that combo on performance and budget side. G-sync is just simply better at the moment and maybe by the time I'll be looking for my next monitor, there will be a good alternative to consider, but right now freesync is still not as good as it was supposed to be.
 
Im surprised to see all of the nvidia apologists in here. If nvidia supported freesync and gsync, theres nothing stopping the consumer from spending the extra money on a gsync monitor if they feel its superior. Nvidia users would now have more choices when shopping for a display. Freesync display owners could jump ship at will. Its not hard to see that nvidia freesync support would benefit consumers. Gsync only benefits nvidia's pockets.
 
Factum said:
No they don't.
Making up stuff and then posting said stuff as a "fact" is very bad behaviour.
NVIDIA has some "secret sauce" running that (on the SAME panels) reduce ghosting eg.

Just stop.
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Going from experience there? I am. I have had both Freesync (Asus MG279Q, BenQ XL2730Z on a 290x and 295x) and Gsync (Asus PG278Q on a 780 and 980) models and they effectively work the same as are the experiences. Ultimately, I've decided to stick with my MG279Q since it's a better panel for a lower price than the Gsync alternative.

Gsync monitors (especially vs the first batch of three Freesync models) were more standardized as far as hz ranges and anti-ghosting, but that's a matter of the hardware scalar, not some nV "secret sauce" LOL
 
Lots of fanboys in here. I want nvidia to support freesync as well

Most likely will see a freesync hack once it's useable over hdmi (amd already planning hdmi freesync). Not only would this let consoles use it but someone will hack a driver or something so nvidia can too.

As another stated right now, the biggest travesty is that nvidia has nothing catering to the 40+ 4k crowd (and won't anytime soon)
 
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My monitors usually last through 2-3 GPU upgrades. I want to be able to make the best GPU purchase decisions at that time, and not immediately reject what might be better offerings just because they don't work with proprietary tech that I was dumb enough to buy into.
 
I'll never buy into GSYNC, for one main reason, I can't use my GSync monitor with anything other than an nVidia card, so it ties me into the brand, regardless of what performs better, regardless of what gives a better performance/$ ratio, regardless of what features I want to use, unless I want to buy a new monitor...
 
Yakk said:
Stop whining and pay up.


and.. pay some more.
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well i did that, found myself disappointed and stopped it..

will find another hobby to use my money on where i dont have to say thank you after picking up the sope.. (thats how nVidia makes me feel)..

and well, ati is not alot better, just cheaper - then the hookers and blow can make me smile! :D
 
Took long enough. I see it's being reported it will support all Freesync displays if you turn it on? Is this correct?

If so I'll retire my crappy Samsung 2015 4k display and replace it with one of their new Freesync enabled ones.
 
Its official and will happen on the 15th.

I have the Asus MG248 which is the same basic guts as the MG278 so it should be 100% compatible anyways. I also have 2 true Gsync displays. So I am excited I can finally make use of this freesync monitor I have other than just using the raw 144hz.

However this limits me as I can't use my Gsync displays on AMD cards if ever I wanted to make the switch.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-g-sync-amd-freesync-gaming-monitor-support-official/
 
My understanding is they are supporting specific tested displays only. Not all Freesync displays. Has that changed?
 
OFaceSIG said:
My understanding is they are supporting specific tested displays only. Not all Freesync displays. Has that changed?
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As I understand it, the drivers will support all Freesync displays, they're just "endorsing" some. Nvidia tested a bunch of Freesync displays and say those 12-13 work the best, but I would bet the manufacturers paid for the endorsement.
 
OFaceSIG said:
My understanding is they are supporting specific tested displays only. Not all Freesync displays. Has that changed?
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Monitors that Nvidia certifies as "Gsync Compatible" will have the feature turned on by default. It can be enabled for any monitor that supports VRR, but Nvidia only guarantees the best experience from the certified monitors.

Wag said:
As I understand it, the drivers will support all Freesync displays, they're just "endorsing" some. Nvidia tested a bunch of Freesync displays and say those 12-13 work the best, but I would bet the manufacturers paid for the endorsement.
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Possible, but unlikely. If they were paid, then the BenQ would not be on the list. The XL2740 has no official VRR support and BenQ won't even acknowledge that VRR works with the monitor. It is highly unlikely that they would pay for it to be advertised. The certified monitors all likely pass most or all of the requirements Nvidia has for traditional Gsync monitors.
 
Maddness said:
Not that i have seen. I think some are thinking it only because G-Sync doesn't work on HDMI. We will know in a weeks time.
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Afaik G-Sync does work over HDMI on G-Sync displays that have both DP and HDMI. Freesync also works over HDMI so it would be odd if it doesn't on Nvidia's implementation.
 
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