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CM Stacker internal case logistics.

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Momo

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First off, general kudos for the regulars here that seem to be very willing and helpfull for those who need advice! I've posted a few threads, and recieved some solid advise, and prompt too!

... Yup, I think i'm going to bite the bullet and get a CM stacker.

I've got the BlackIce Extreme 3, DDC-12v Pump, 5 1/4" Res, Tygon 3/8 ID tubing sitting on the desk, and I'm looking at my Antec P160.... and looking at my girlfriends computer case... yeah, she could use a new case with airflow ;)

So, yeah, I would like to get the stacker. get it over with. give her the P160.

Now, since i'm not having a ton of luck trolling through the forums, i thought I'd ask for a little help.

Am i correct in saying that one can mount a power supply at the bottom of this case, when the PSU is one of those with an intake(internal) fan and exhaust (external) fan, and just turn it upside down? Is additional drilling required when flipping the PSU like this?

Also, I assume that without a PSU up above, there would be loads of room for a BlackIce Extreme 3 with panaflo's mounted, internally, correct? (cutouts and fan grilles in case top, panaflo M1A's pulling air through the BlackIce Extreme 3)
Is that assumption correct?

Just looking for some real world confirmation before i make an order.

Also, any of you happen to know where i can find pictures of a CM Stacker with a triple rad installed in the top of the case, like i described, on this forum? I've totally missed them, if there are any.

Thanks in advance,
Momo
 
Ironically, I'm in the same boat as you building my next case. I'm also interested in seeing the feedback your receive.
 
There's a store here in town that can get me a Stacker for a decent price, in a day or two.
He's gonna be calling, to let me know.

Quick bump.


Please, if anyone that has or is very familiar with the logistics involved here, please take a minute to post a reply.

Thank you.
 
On the subject of cases, I own an Antec Solution Series Super Mid-Tower case (link), which measueres in at 8.25" (W) x 18.6" (D) x 18.3" (H).

Would this be large enough for an internal watercooling setup (pump + single fan 120mm rad + tline), or do I need a larger case?
 
I can't recall seeing any Stackers with the rad on top. It's just too easy to mount it in the front bays. If you mount it up front though I think you'll lose like 6-7 bays vs the 2-3 you lose when mounted on top. The cool thing is that you have so many options with that case.

Good luck with it and post some pics for us.
 
just put thicker feet on the bottem of the stacker and mount your rad down there. There is enough room at the botem of the case to put the rad and some 38mm tall fans (your using the panaflow M1A right?) without loosing functionality of the mobo (well, maybee one PCI slot at most).

Sider: you are remembering that he has a BIX THREE... I'm pretty sure your thinking a BIX 2....

TMaxx: if you mount it up in the top of the case you will only loose 2 bays. Heck, you could probly put a '77 bonni core up there without much hassle either
 
Hey ! Someone replied! thanks :)

Yes, i'm using three Panaflo M1A's ...

Bottom of the case Punx ? whoa, there's that much room?
See, this is why I wanna see pictures of a BIX-3 mounted inside a Stacker in various positions...

hrm. my only concern would be airflow down there. The panaflo's sucking air down through the rad, out the bottom of the case? *ponders* okay, that's something to think about.
One bonus of having it at the top is it acting like one BIG blowhole .... either that, or I was thinking of seperating it from the rest of the case with some thin metal sheet. And leaving exhaust up to the rear of the case.
What are your thoughts on that ?

And yeah, mounting it in the front doesnt really seem like a viable option due to the sheer length of the thing.
 
Punx_Clever said:
TMaxx: if you mount it up in the top of the case you will only loose 2 bays. Heck, you could probly put a '77 bonni core up there without much hassle either
Click to expand...

Would it be possible to mount a heatercore (not a large one like the Bonni) on the were where you would normally mount a 120mm fan? I really don't feel like drilling a 5 inch hole in my relatively new case. :|
 
actually, you would pull fresh air through the rad and into the case... the delta T of teh air coming out of teh rad is very small (eespecially with that big ass radiator), so it wont hurt your case temps much

Since you have the fans you might as well use them for venting the case

As far as a picture goes.... I thought I had seen one around the forum somewher, he even had the fans raised above the radiator.... and his was a bonni core i believe, which is thicker than a BIX

Edit: Tmaxx, you have a PM
 
Okay, now i'm confused.
You're saying that I should have the fans in a 'pull' configuration, pulling air through the Radiator from the bottom of the case (through the bottom venting), and pushing it out the other side of the fans, warmed up, over my motherboard and components?

Hrm, okay. So, the air that would be coming off that rad wouldnt be that warm, is what you're saying? Thanks again man.

EDIT: Detla-T ? not familiar with the term. Am I correct in saying this stands for the relative temperature of the air in question?

Also, as far as using that setup to ventilate the case... wouldnt I then require some serious exhaust up top of the case, at least one (maybe two) 120mm fans with approximately the same CFM rating as these three panaflo's on the rad? ( I've got an exhaust fan now, and will with this setup, along with a duplicate intake fan in front, lower CFM than the Panaflo's, but nice n quiet )

Basically, my concern is that the three panaflo's will suck so much air into the case, but i won't have enough exhaust to get rid of most of that air. A little more intake than exhaust is fine, but not a lot. (recirculating warmed up air) Correct?
 
Delta-T is the change (delta) in tempurature (T) of the air.

if you end up turning your pana's down to 7v (I reccomend it) your not gonna have the 90cfm that they are rated for... probly like, 70cfm

But, with any situation where you have lots of big fans going one way (in or out) you really should balence them

you could probly get away with changing all your other intake fans to exhausts and be fine
 
I like the idea of the Rad at the bottom of the case.

I dont like the idea of pulling air from below the case through the rad, heating it up (even if a little), and pushing it through the case and out the top, rear, wherever. It just doesnt make sense to me, heh. ;)

BUT, if it IS effective, why not? Has anyone _done_ this ?

Anyhow, it's a very easy thing to try out, once I get the whole setup going.
 
<hijack>

ok ok ok, so my hands start to shake a little when I manage to pull off 240FSB on "broken" ram at 2-3-3-11 timings.... so sue me

</hijack> :D
 
that's pretty much the whole point of panaflo fans, they still have nice CFM while undervolted. If you weren't going for cold & quiet and just wanted lotsa air there are better choices.
 
what? no no no, i want cold and quiet!

I want lots of air.

Just not sure if the whole bottom of the case BIX3 thing sounds right to me, when the fans are pulling that warmed up air through the rad and over the mobo. ;)

Anyone else have a BIX3 and/or some input on this?
 
I do not run a BIX3, but I do have the AquaComputer Evo 360. It is another 3x120mm rad. I also run it with 3 Panaflo M1A. They run of the thermally controlled fan power off my Antec NeoPower 480 and I can not hear them. This is all in an CM Stacker case.

Here is a quick site I made for my build. The pics you would want will be under the watercooling part.
 
Sib said:
Here is a quick site I made for my build. The pics you would want will be under the watercooling part.
Click to expand...

d00d thanks so much for sharing your Stacker build experience.
I'd love to throw a stacker on top of a VapoChill-LS

...only the stacker DWARFS the vapochill.
 
Sib, thanks a lot for linking that page.

Where did you get the 3 x 120mm grille / mounting plate from?
I checked snt-systems.com but didnt see any.

That's exactly what i'm looking for. Doesnt have to be Aqua Computer though.

EDIT:
Does anyone know of a store that carries a similar product ?
A store in the US or Canada I mean.
 
I thought I'd post this here, since it's a Stacker Thread.

This is not my rig.

I was thinking a second stacker could be chopped up to house the VapoChill unit, then you could blend it into the above case.

*shrug*
Vapoonstacker-vi.jpg
 
Momo said:
Sib, thanks a lot for linking that page.

Where did you get the 3 x 120mm grille / mounting plate from?
I checked snt-systems.com but didnt see any.

That's exactly what i'm looking for. Doesnt have to be Aqua Computer though.
Click to expand...

I got it from SNT Systems. It should be under the radiator section.

I have only seen two different 3x120mm grills. One is the A-C one, and the other was this one. Not exactly sure how to get it, but I like the look of it.

I got lucky with the A-C one. Dan had one in stock. I had to wait awhile for the radiator. Dan is supposedly getting his next shippment sent soon. He might have an extra grill.
 
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