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Clueless AMD'er needs an edumacation

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Long post, sorry!!!

OK guys, Im one of those people who buys what he thinks is the best part at the time. For that past 3 or 4 years, for me that has been AMD. (no flames please!!) I am so wanting to get back into SMP right now, and although the opties are awesome chips, they are just too damn much money, and the run at too slow clock speeds. Yes, AMD can get more done per cycle, but a $200 opty runs @ 1.6Ghz. A Xeon @ 3.0+ should do better, IMO, for the same price.

After some research, it looks the best deal for me to get back into dualies is go back to the dark side. Note, my last intel box was an Abit BP-6 w 2/oc'ed celerons. Now that was a *classic*.

Anyways. I am absolutely bewildered by all of the Intel sockets/revisions/cores et all.
Dont even think about talking to me about mobos and chipsets yet, im still working on picking some CPU's.

This is where I need your help and advice.

What I am looking for:
Dual Intel Xeon setup, cheap but with good OC potential.
Im looking to do lots of multimedia (another + for Intel) and development work
I will occasionaly play games, but this is more dependent on GPU, and its not a priority
AGP slot
SATA
at least 2 regular PCI slots (some PCI and some PCI-X would be perfect)
non ecc, non-registered memory

Im not interested in PCI-E, although i wont object once the technology has matured a bit and come down in price. DDR2 right now is poop (IMO) so im fine with low latency DDR.

The different FSB/Bus Speeds confuse me as well. I see 533/800 buses, all using different kinds of memory...ahhh so confusing. Which has better OC potential?

Now ive seen that the new Nanconas look nice, EMT64, ability to slow down for heat, etc. Ive also heard that they are buggy, and we should wait until the E0 revision comes out. Anyone else heard this?

The PC-DL mobo looks good, and has alot of user support, but doesn't support Nanconas.
So, is my best bet to wait until the E0's come out, and for some more mobo options? Or will I be happy with the older core Xeons? PS- the part # im looking at is SL7PD
http://www.intel.com/design/xeon/specupdt/30240204.pdf

Lastly, does anyone know if the EMT64 will allow the use of XP-64? If it does, thats a requirement for me.

Any opinions would be appreciated!
 
I forgot to add, this is going to be a water cooled setup, so the enormous heat output of the various CPU's is irrelevant to me.
 
Look in the hot deals section of this forum. I don't know if it's still going on, but theres a deal for 2x 1.6 xeon low voltage cpus for $110 or something. They are overclockable to around 3ghz or so. Theres a whole huge thread about it in which you might want to take a look at.
 
Xeon22 said:
Look in the hot deals section of this forum. I don't know if it's still going on, but theres a deal for 2x 1.6 xeon low voltage cpus for $110 or something. They are overclockable to around 3ghz or so. Theres a whole huge thread about it in which you might want to take a look at.
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Yeah, I found that yesterday, but they are all out of stock :(
That would have been perfect, but I missed out by a few days.
 
Asus has a newer version of that board called something else. It is the same board but it's been redesigned where needed to fully support Naconas. You'd have to check the web site. They actually have two new Xeon boards, a PCI E board and the regular AGP board like the PC-DL.
 
NCCH-DL is the board you are refering too.

I can't provide to much input, i'm a pro AMD guy but I did hop on that 2x1.6ghz Xeon Deal. Couldn't pass that deal up for the price.

I will add that Opterons scale better with more cpus, due to their on die memory controller (as always).
 
We run a bunch of dual Xeon boxes at work, for various test uses. I've been very impressed wth the stuff from SuperMicro as of late. One good place to buy SuperMicro parts are from these guys. I've bought a ton of stuff from them and they've been very good with having stuff in stock when I needed it.

Good Luck - B.B.S.
 
SuperMicro makes great server boards don't get me wrong. But they don't have any overclocking options as thats what he wants. The Asus's or IWill DH800 are the only boards that clock decently.
 
Yeah definitely looking to overclock. Newegg has the naconas out, but I dont know what steppings, and also ,only the higher speed pieces have speed step tech (auto slow down like AMD cool N quiet)

Id still like to know if the EMT64 will run Windows XP-64 though, anybody know?
 
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