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Why tf am I getting less than 100 fps with 5090 in Marvell Rivals 4k with frame gen. Something isn’t right.
 
Frame gen never really worked for me on Rivals with the 4090. It does not increase my framerate unless I cap it at 60 then it does give me 120. But I already get locked 120 with low settings and DLSS upscaling soooo yeah.

I thought I could do 120>240 or 240>480 etc. but it does not work like that in practice. I'm not CPU bound with the 7800X3D, GPU usage is maxed the moment I unlock my frames, even at 720p (yea I tested DLSS ultra perf), and frame gen still has no benefits there.

But I'm on 1440p 360hz with DLSS Q (that's 1080p) and low settings now - averaging 200-360fps so it's totally fine with VRR as it is.
 
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Last Gen to gen was a 70% "upgrade" this new gen ONLY being 30% "upgrade" and costs way more is just a slap in the face to gamers.
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You cannot even buy it. At least not for the price it was supposed to be at which already is way past what people considered too much just few years ago when Turing released.
Imho upgrading 4090 to 5090 makes no sense. Especially when we just got much better image quality from DLSS.
 
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The 4090 series had the known cable connection issue.

And the 5090 has a revised slightly better version, but people are seeing the faulty burned out wiring AGAIN on the 5xxx series.

Like Jay said, why not go to 2 separate connectors on the video card. Or like AMD does it, 3 separate.
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I thought they didn't revise the card side at all really so the card see's just one overall source of power and the sense wires are worthless based on the various video's since the 4090's started cooking.

Unlike the 3090 where there were three shunts or whatever so the card can split the draw over the "one" cable into three avenues for power delivery and control the draw over the different wires vs the current which seems to be resulting in the max draw going down just 2 cables. I'm not sure it's an issue with the connection standard or number of connections its how they are actually using that connection that is cooking it. Its rated for 600W and if the draw was even across the cable I think it would be just fine with some headroom even. Forcing the card to pull over the cable evenly is where NV stuck their heads in the sand :(

Adding a second connector would likely require another shunt or controller for that connection and then allow the card to split load between the two cables so it would technically fix the current situation but be unnecessary.
 
Can someone give Stalker 2 fps outdoors with DLAA, 4K, RT and FG on. Also what is the latency?

With a 4090 I am at 90-110 fps but latency of 45-50 which isn’t very pleasant.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterra...d_all_my_luck_to_get_the_5090fe_now_it_wants/
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Yep, wrong cable once again.

"Based on the images, it appears you're using our STRIMER PLUS V2 3×8-PIN to 12+4-PIN model, which is not physically compatible with the RTX 5090 Founders Edition (more details here: https://shorturl.at/78Gmd). Could there have been a loose connection or the use of an extension cable between the STRIMER and the GPU? We ask because there are no visible scratches on the GPU connector port, suggesting the STRIMER may not have been fully inserted."
 
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB75fEt7tH0
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Nvidia needs to go back to the drawing board. These HP connectors are not safe and can cause video cards or connectors to go up in flames. There was nothing wrong with PCIE connectors and they have more safety margin built in.

If you want to "innovate" your power connectors at least do it right. With the extra billions they made from AI, surely Nvidia can hire competent engineers to design a safe next gen high power cable for their video cards. And if you don't want to invest that money, just go back to PCIE power connectors, they are reliable and proven technology for powering video cards.
 
deceptXS said:
Verified Priority Access signups: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/account/rtx-50-series-verified-priority-access/
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Thanks.

I just pulled the trigger on a pre-built. Been years since I've had a proper PC and having been gaming on gaming laptops instead as I have been out of the custom PC space for the better part of 15 years now. Working on ships changed my habits on gaming quite a bit.

The pre-build didn't have the FE as an option, so I signed up to see if I can snag one and swap it out as I prefer the look of the FE over the AIBs.
 
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Nvidia needs to go back to the drawing board. These HP connectors are not safe and can cause video cards or connectors to go up in flames. There was nothing wrong with PCIE connectors and they have more safety margin built in.

If you want to "innovate" your power connectors at least do it right. With the extra billions they made from AI, surely Nvidia can hire competent engineers to design a safe next gen high power cable for their video cards. And if you don't want to invest that money, just go back to PCIE power connectors, they are reliable and proven technology for powering video cards.
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I thought from other video's it was not the cable or connectors fault. Its the way the card is treating everything as one source vs splitting out multiple shunts as in older (30 and prior) series cards breaking the power into multiple sources to spread the load.
 
Ripskin said:
I thought from other video's it was not the cable or connectors fault. Its the way the card is treating everything as one source vs splitting out multiple shunts as in older (30 and prior) series cards breaking the power into multiple sources to spread the load.
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That is correct. It's a case of nvidia cutting corners to make a smaller PCB on the FE and whichever partners copy that design.

If you're lucky the load will be balanced and you will be fine, if not it it can overload a cable and the GPU doesn't see it nor won't do anything about it.

Are we going to need smart PSUs because nvidia makes dumb GPUs? :oops:
 
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Not sure where to put this but the new 50 series cards maybe missing some ROPs units. In case you get one with missing ROPs ask mfg for warranty replacements.

Yeah right…
 
If y'all would just quit giving Nvidia money. How did we get to a point where a graphics card alone costs $2000 bucks? What about the rest of the computer? How did we get here? 2000 USD used to be enough for an entire PC. Vote with your wallets or continue this price gouging
 
edo101 said:
If y'all would just quit giving Nvidia money. How did we get to a point where a graphics card alone costs $2000 bucks? What about the rest of the computer? How did we get here? 2000 USD used to be enough for an entire PC. Vote with your wallets or continue this price gouging
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Says the dude with a $1800 GPU...
 
edo101 said:
I bought that GPU at a discount lol

And lets be real, a lot of people will not be able to get a 5090 at 2k. it's gonna be 2300 or so. That's ridiculous

Suffice it to say, I am never paying above 2k for a GPU. It's a matter of principle at this point.
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Not only is the price for rtx 5090 high(and it is also high for all other weaker GPUs), but rtx 5090 entails a lot of money that you have to invest in cpu, mbo, power supply of 1+kw,computer peripheral and so on...,normally it is not for everyone, I would not buy rtx 5090 even if it was 1000 dollars or even less, I would only buy it if it is energy efficient and if I do not need a power supply stronger than 650w, that is my limit.
Maybe the next generation will become energy efficient again, it is possible.
 
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Nvidia has already proven throughout history that something like this can't hurt it in practically anything.It seems that the RTX 5090 is just a transitional generation before the RTX 6000 which will be the real thing.
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So the 4 to 10% performance loss being reported be people testing this is a lie, including Nvidia which states a 4% performance loss?
 
Strange bird said:
Not only is the price for rtx 5090 high(and it is also high for all other weaker GPUs), but rtx 5090 entails a lot of money that you have to invest in cpu, mbo, power supply of 1+kw,computer peripheral and so on...,normally it is not for everyone, I would not buy rtx 5090 even if it was 1000 dollars or even less, I would only buy it if it is energy efficient and if I do not need a power supply stronger than 650w, that is my limit.
Maybe the next generation will become energy efficient again, it is possible.
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Says the dude with a $1800 GPU...
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Another thing that concerns me is that, people will be buying 5090s for 2300 or more bucks. Nvidia will see this as another green light to make the 6090 base MSRP $2500 and 6080 will be $1800. Before you know it, to have the greatest cards, you are paying 3k a 7090. Like there needs to be an end to this stupidity.
I could stomach paying 1500 for a 4090. But no more. I'm done. I'd rather play without Ray tracing and lower some settings at 4K than feed into this crap.
 
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The 5090 is making me like my 4090 more and more.
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Same but it's a sad state of the PC gaming hobby that we love. How can people justify paying for all this crap. For this market manipulation and utter greed. Every year things just get worse from software/games to the hardware
 
I have been searching for a 5090 but the scalper prices, the continuous “issues” and lack of mainstream availability is keeping me away. Btw if I go and buy a 5090 card locally, it will be more expensive than the 2009 Ford Edge (only 110K KMs) that I sold 2 years ago. 👀🤦🏻‍♂️
 
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I have been searching for a 5090 but the scalper prices, the continuous “issues” and lack of mainstream availability is keeping me away. Btw if I go and buy a 5090 card locally, it will be more expensive than the 2009 Ford Edge (only 110K KMs) that I sold 2 years ago. 👀🤦🏻‍♂️
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Then don't. Don't get it. Fight this crap with your wallet. Do you really need a 5090 when you have a 4090? Why do you need one? Does Ray tracing really make the big of a difference for you in the majority of games you play?
 
RT is definitely worth playing with. It does make a huge difference in look and feel of the game. Similarly, at 4K 240 I can use all the power that is available. Having said that I will only pay MSRP for the 5090 given the less than expected gains.
 
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Spoken like a young person.

I had a flippin heart attack 18 months ago. Two of my best friends from high school are already dead of ‘natural causes’. Two of my other friends have already retired. How much time have I got left? How much quality time do I have left.

Whatever time I have left I want to spend it doing the things I love. Money? Can’t take it with me when I go.
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Man, that sucks. After a lifetime of ground breaking adventures on $500 GPU's you are finally at the end of your rope and you are stuck paying $3000+ for a 30% improvement every 3 years on paperware so you can play terrible games that are aimed at Disney kids like Star Wars Outlaws and Avowed. Sounds like hell on earth. If money were no object I would probably travel the world and go crazy while I was still capable. I don't think I would swallow this swill even if I was in a nursing home.
 
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After a lifetime of ground breaking adventures on $500 GPU's you are finally at the end of your rope
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I never said I was at the ‘end of my rope’.

Like many people posting at this forum, I’m not young anymore. You and your young forum friends can make fun of this if you want, but because some of my real friends are no longer with me, and because I recently did have an age-related health issue, I’m much more aware of my mortality now.

I want to spend my final years, or decades, doing what I love.

For me, my passion is gaming. For you, it’s obviously travelling the world. There’s no need to demean someone just because their passion in life doesn’t harmonize with yours.

I’ve worked hard my whole life, and I’ve saved my money. Why do you feel the need to belittle someone who wants to buy a 5090 - because you personally believe the cards are over-priced?
 
I'm not young either but I don't make up dumb excuses to justify terrible decisions. My post was poking fun at your excuse and pointing out that life has a lot of aspects to it that are more important than gaming. Of course it's up to you how you spend your money and I have no problem with that, I too like to game and animate which means I need a constant stream of upgrades to cut down on render times and improve FPS in games. If I have the money and I need the performance I can justify it. I'm not going to say it's because I'm old so I might as well throw retarded amounts of money away and play every childish release that hits the internet. I don't ignore bad decision making and just excuse it because I'm old. I like eating snacks too but I'm not going to pay $3000 for a limited edition twinkie and then try to justify it because of my age. Some people are brainless consumers and some have more money than they need. It's ok we all have our reasons for buying high end hardware and I'm pretty sure most of us share your enthusiasm for hardware and games. This is H after all.

Personally, I can justify a 5090 purchase while at the same time recognize that it's a bad product in terms of performance, heat, power and stability. The price is outrageous and buying these will just encourage Nvidia to raise prices higher but ultimately it comes down to the individual and what they are willing to spend. The "why" of it is is not really important and I find it easier to simply say that it's a terrible choice that I'm willing to make because I have the money and not enough important things in my life distracting me from buying it. Of course I don't usually say that because people don't need a story about your life and friends to understand that you are willing to make a bad decision because of your hardware addiction.

All things said and done, I don't blame you for wanting a 5090 and I don't think poorly of you for trying to justify it. I just thought your excuse was laughable and decided to poke you for it. I wouldn't even consider a 5090 if Nvidia actually released cards at the pace they used to with the performance they used to for the prices they used to charge. These days I'm starved because they take too long and deliver too little and charge an absurd amount for it. The thing making me consider abandoning this industry is the complete lack of product and the repeating black Friday hysteria that I have to deal with every time I need something. Always lines and campers and scalping and bots. It starting to suck pretty bad actually.
 
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