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Celeron....... Vs P4

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Spire_X

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I was given 2 chips....a 1.8 p4 no ht......and a 2.6 cel...........which is better????? I have a 865 perl mobo.......1.5 gig ram and 400 gigs hd.......can I over clock either with a stock fan?
 
First of all, what're you using this PC for?
With stock cooling you probably won't get great overclocking results.
 
If that's an Intel D865PERL then you can forget about serious overclocking for either. I'd try them both out, bench them and see what you think.

The stock cooling isn't going to be your problem. I don't know how the 1.8GHz P4 overclocks. I guess that depends on if it is a Northwood or Willamette core. The Celeron on the other hand should be a good overclocker. Just not on that board. If it's an Intel.
 
I've overclocked a 2.2G Celeron to just under 3G. It is rock solid, and runs cool. (32C idle and 42-43C under load)
 
I've got a 2.5GHz Celery that goes to 3.0GHz on just about any crappy board you can find. It's a solid chip. Just doesn't have enough cash memory to give it the balls needed to do anything serious.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
I've got a 2.5GHz Celery that goes to 3.0GHz on just about any crappy board you can find. It's a solid chip. Just doesn't have enough cash memory to give it the balls needed to do anything serious.
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It's a little know fact that an equally clocked P4 & Celeron on the same M/B will encode MPEG2s in about the same time. I guess the MPEG2 encoding doesn't make much use of the 512K vs 128K L2 cache.

That means that an overclocked Celeron is a good MPEG2 encoder.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
I've got a 2.5GHz Celery that goes to 3.0GHz on just about any crappy board you can find. It's a solid chip. Just doesn't have enough cash memory to give it the balls needed to do anything serious.
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True. Except if the motherboard is made by Intel, which cannot be set to overclock by more than 4% over the stock FSB speed :eek:
Thus, a 400FSB Celeron (Chubberon) cannot be set to any FSB above 104MHz (equivalent to 416FSB) on any Intel-brand motherboard.
 
E4g1e said:
True. Except if the motherboard is made by Intel, which cannot be set to overclock by more than 4% over the stock FSB speed :eek:
Thus, a 400FSB Celeron (Chubberon) cannot be set to any FSB above 104MHz (equivalent to 416FSB) on any Intel-brand motherboard.
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Remind me to steer clear of Intel brand motherboards.
 
There's nothing wrong with Intel motherboards. Intel mobos are some of the most stable and reliable motherboards out there, and they usually come packed with boatloads of features. Of course, for the people who demand overclockability, stay far away from Intel mobos. While they now let you set memory timings and a few other things, you won't get the CPU FSB and Memory clock speed adjustments you'd get from an enthusiast board. But that's not what Intels are about; they're about stability, good performance, reliability, and features.

Anyways, for a CPU, I'd take the P4 over the Celeron. The Celeron needs to die as it can't compare to Athlon XPs which beat or match the Celerons in price now.
 
id take the celeron, the p4 doesnt have HT, and runs at the same bus speed as the celeron, the only advangate is that it has 512kb of cache vs 128kb. but youll be able to overclock the celeron ALOT higher than the p4 so the speed should outweight the less cache.
 
are most of you guys insane? (cept munka and billy :D)

That P4 would walk all over that celeron, then piss on it and throw it on the curb.

hell, a Duron 1.4 is faster than a celly 2.6, it's been proven

I wouldnt take a celly if someone paid me
 
since your getting mixed opinions from everyone in here, try both of them. overclock them both the max youd run them at, benchmark them both and compare.....

while your at it, posts your results for shits and grins
 
acascianelli said:
since your getting mixed opinions from everyone in here, try both of them. overclock them both the max youd run them at, benchmark them both and compare.....

while your at it, posts your results for shits and grins
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while i actually agree with your post

the mathmatics of it are quite simple

Duron 1.4 > celly 2.6

P4 1.8 > duron 1.4

therefore . . . P4 1.8 > celly 2.6

:D :p
 
acascianelli said:
id take the celeron, the p4 doesnt have HT, and runs at the same bus speed as the celeron, the only advangate is that it has 512kb of cache vs 128kb. but youll be able to overclock the celeron ALOT higher than the p4 so the speed should outweight the less cache.
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lmao, you're kidding right...i hope you're kidding...

that P4 at 1.8ghz would destroy that celeron in anything except encoding stuff. Basically a celeron is like a guy that's all talk, when it's time to put up or shut up, the celeron runs away crying.

the celeron wouldn't oc far enough to even come close to the 1.8 P4 in performance especially in things like games....even at like 3.5ghz. Go with the P4 for the sake of your computer.
 
i have a laptop with a 1.8ghz Celeron, and it works fine for everything that i do. it runs games fine and it works fine for backingup dvds and all of that.

i would give the celeron a shot and see if it gets the job done any better/worst than the P4 chi
 
compslckr said:
i have a laptop with a 1.8ghz Celeron, and it works fine for everything that i do. it runs games fine and it works fine for backingup dvds and all of that.

i would give the celeron a shot and see if it gets the job done any better/worst than the P4 chi
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mobile celerons have 256k L2 cache which is much better than 128k for the desktop version

if you're doing anything besides encoding with your computer, i'm telling you, go with the P4 that celery will not beat it
 
acascianelli said:
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review_print.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD00NDM=

they have benchmarks with a celeron running at 3.15ghz in them, as you can see it can hang with a p4 2.26b in most benchs and even some are as fast as a p4 2.8. that p4 1.8 will probobly overclock to about 2.3 or so ghz, so theyd be about even, but the celeron @ 3+ghz will beat it in some things.
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I don't say this much, but i don't care what benchmarks say.

P4 > any celeron at any speed
 
acascianelli said:
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review_print.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD00NDM=

they have benchmarks with a celeron running at 3.15ghz in them, as you can see it can hang with a p4 2.26b in most benchs and even some are as fast as a p4 2.8. that p4 1.8 will probobly overclock to about 2.3 or so ghz, so theyd be about even, but the celeron @ 3+ghz will beat it in some things.
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not sure if we were looking at the same game benchmarks because what i saw was the celeron getting owned and he wanted to know what was faster. When they ran at any resolution above 800x600 the celeron bascially died (example: the Commanche4 benchmark).

and remember he has an intel board, so he can't OC and if he does get another board, he can oc the 1.8ghz to AT LEAST 2.4ghz because the 1.8ghz (400fsb) and 2.4ghz (533fsb) are the same chip.
 
P4 KILLS the Celerons

People saying otherwise, have yet to run something higher than 800x600 in a game on a celeron
 
i didnt know that he was running an intel board. in that case since his options are only the p4 1.8 @ 1.8/2.4, or the celeron 2.0 @ 2.0/2.66. id go with the p4, he just better hope he can overclock that 1.8 to 2.4.
 
thanx guys I will take the p4....gettin a new amd sys soon though...........hopefully :( heheh
 
1.8 P4's are fairly good overclockers. I'd venture to say you should easily hit 2.4ghz. I had 2 1.8's, one of them would overclock to 2.4 every once in a while (it was a really weird chip) and when it was at 2.4 it was stable as a rock. The other ran 2.4ghz stock voltage stable. I could get it up to 2.7 before my board crapped out (no PCI/AGP lock [P4S533 (still a great board)])
 
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