Celeron finally gets an update: 512KB L2

[pxc]

The Conroe-L will be replacing Celerons in middle of next year, but I noticed the Cedar Mill based 356 (3.33GHz) and 352 (3.2GHz) will be available cheap next month: $74 and $69 respectively.

Too bad it didn't also get a 800MHz FSB bump. A 2.66GHz "332" (if it existed) would be better for overclocking to 800MHz FSB.

 

[Pongi]

4.8Ghz shouldn't be too much of a stretch for the Celeron D 352

@ XS a 356 over 5Ghz on air.

 

[Stugots]

Shit, I was pretty damn impressed with my little Celeron D 320(2.4) at 3.8. It would be nice to see Celeron become more popular with enthusiasts again. I remember the days of the 300A and 533A so well.

 

[pxc]

4.8Ghz shouldn't be too much of a stretch for the Celeron D 352

@ XS a 356 over 5Ghz on air.

Wow. I haven't been paying attention to Cedar Mill overclocking that much. Pretty amazing that it's outperforming the P4 524 clock for clock.

I can't wait until Fry's has combos on sale. It should cost around $90-$100 for a 356 + motherboard. I'll play around with it for a while, then use it to upgrade my nephew's computer from a Celeron D 320 @ 3.2GHz. I'd be happy if the 356 ran at 4.16GHz on air (667Mhz FSB).

 

[chrisf6969]

Pentium 4 (maybe a cut down 6x0 2mb to a 5x0 1mb) should replace Celeron, until the Core Celeron, as the budget line.

The Pentium 4 based Celeron should just die!!

 

[pxc]

Pentium 4 (maybe a cut down 6x0 2mb to a 5x0 1mb) should replace Celeron, until the Core Celeron, as the budget line.

The Pentium 4 based Celeron should just die!!

Um, the new 352/356 models are cut down 6x1 processors. They're faster than the low end P4 524 (3.06GHz/533MHz FSB 512KB), 511 (2.8GHz/533MHz FSB 1MB) and 506 (2.66GHz/533MHz FSB 1MB) chips and cheaper to manufacture.

The Celeron D CPUs aren't that bad considering the cheap prices. I can pick up some models for $30-$40 at Fry's now.

 

[coldpower27]

Um, the new 352/356 models are cut down 6x1 processors. They're faster than the low end P4 524 (3.06GHz/533MHz FSB 512KB), 511 (2.8GHz/533MHz FSB 1MB) and 506 (2.66GHz/533MHz FSB 1MB) chips and cheaper to manufacture.

The Celeron D CPUs aren't that bad considering the cheap prices. I can pick up some models for $30-$40 at Fry's now.

It will be interesting though to see what price the Intel's Celeron Cedar Mills will fall to, when the Pentium 4's pricing gets' drop to these levels:

July 23rd

Pentium 4 524 64US 531 74US, 541 84US.

T

 

[chrisf6969]

It will be interesting though to see what price the Intel's Celeron Cedar Mills will fall to, when the Pentium 4's pricing gets' drop to these levels:

July 23rd

Pentium 4 524 64US 531 74US, 541 84US.

T

Thats what I was thinking.

 

[pxc]

It will be interesting though to see what price the Intel's Celeron Cedar Mills will fall to, when the Pentium 4's pricing gets' drop to these levels:

I put it in the very first post: "$74 and $69 respectively" (356 and 352)

Why would you want a 524? It's a 90nm Prescott-1MB 3.06GHz CPU with a 533MHz FSB. The Celeron 356 is $10 cheaper, 270MHz faster, uses the 65nm Cedar Mill core, 512KB L2 and 533MHz FSB.

 

[coldpower27]

I put it in the very first post: "$74 and $69 respectively" (356 and 352)

Why would you want a 524? It's a 90nm Prescott-1MB 3.06GHz CPU with a 533MHz FSB. The Celeron 356 is $10 cheaper, 270MHz faster, uses the 65nm Cedar Mill core, 512KB L2 and 533MHz FSB.

The Pentium 4 524 is also HyperThreading capable unlike the Celeron D's as well as the full 1MB of LV2 that is has less latency on the original Prescott core vs the Prescott-2M/Cedar Mill revisions.

Interesting where did you see the pricing of the Celeron D 352/356 out of curiosity.

As well even with those prices the Pentium 4 524 is either 64/69US so there is no differential in price in favor of the Celeron D Cedar Mill.

 

[pxc]

The Pentium 4 524 is also HyperThreading capable unlike the Celeron D's as well as the full 1MB of LV2 that is has less latency on the original Prescott core vs the Prescott-2M/Cedar Mill revisions.

Interesting where did you see the pricing of the Celeron D 352/356 out of curiosity.

Edit 2: Does it? I'm getting contradictory information on Intel's site.

The L2 latency seems to make very little difference in performance. I never even saw a 1% difference in P4 CM reviews. The much higher stock clock speed (356 is 8.5% faster) and way better overclockability of the CM core more than makes up for it. I could understand the bash if the 356 only had 256KB, but with 512KB vs 1MB L2, the point is pretty minor.

The prices are on Intel's current price sheet for July 23.

 

[coldpower27]

The P4 524 does not support hyperthreading. The only P4 3.06GHz processors that supported HT used the NW core. See the feature reference chart: http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/tech_reference/box_processors/int_inst_info/proc_comp_charts/182403.htm

524 3.06 SL9CA SL9CA G1 0F49h 1M 67.7 84 03 1,3,5,6,8,10,13 <--- no HT
524 3.06 SL8ZZ SL8ZZ G1 0F49h 1M 67.7 84 03 1,3,5,6,8,10,13 <--- no HT
1. This processor is based on the 90 nanometer process technology.
...
4. This is an Intel® Pentium® 4 processor with HT Technology Extreme Edition processor.
...

The L2 latency seems to make very little difference in performance. I never even saw a 1% difference in P4 CM reviews. The much higher stock clock speed (356 is 8.5% faster) and way better overclockability of the CM core more than makes up for it. I could understand the bash if the 356 only had 256KB, but with 512KB vs 1MB L2, the point is pretty minor.

The prices are on Intel's current price sheet for July 23.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10070653&catid=10607

As far as I am aware they do.

Read the comments

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116014

Specifically of the guy and his Adobe programs.

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&msg_id=1093276&threadid=1093276&forum=101&product_id=18510&msgcount=2&overclockid=0#msg1093276

Another forum to read where it does.

http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=19271004

Your wrong there are now 2 models of Pentium 4 on desktop that have 533FSB that support hypoerThreading. The 517 and 524 in addition to the original Northwood 3.06.

 

[pxc]

I just edited twice above. If the box shows HT then it has HT. Intel's site is getting pretty bad now. I can't find summary information on the 500 series where it used to be and search isn't helping either.

HT is definitely worth only $10 extra for running at stock speed, but you won't be able to overclock as high on air.

 

[coldpower27]

I just edited twice above. If the box shows HT then it has HT. Intel's site is getting pretty bad now. I can't find summary information on the 500 series where it used to be and search isn't helping either.

HT is definitely worth only $10 extra for running at stock speed, but you won't be able to overclock as high on air.

The Pentium 4 524 is not going to be 84US... are you checking man?

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1029529307&postcount=3

Intel is already initiating a price war, not even on Conroe yet. Have you see Intel's last and next price lists? Next month, dual core (D 805) hits sub-$100.

July 23, 2006 prices for non-Conroe parts:

dual core
P4D 960 3.6GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $316
P4D 950 3.4GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $224
P4D 945 3.4GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $163
P4D 940 3.2GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $183
P4D 930 3.0GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $178 (june price cut)
P4D 920 2.8GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $178 (june price cut)
P4D 915 2.8GHz / 800MHz 2x2MB $133
P4D 820 2.8GHz / 800MHz 2x1MB $113
P4D 805 2.66GHz / 533MHz 2x1MB $93

single core (6x1 = 65nm parts)
P4 661 3.6GHz / 800MHz 2MB $183
P4 651 3.4GHz / 800MHz 2MB $163
P4 641 3.2GHz / 800MHz 2MB $163
P4 631 3.0GHz / 800MHz 2MB $163
P4 541 3.2GHz / 800MHz 1MB $84
P4 531 3.0GHz / 800MHz 1MB $74
P4 524 3.06GHz / 533MHz 1MB $69

Celeron 356 3.33GHz / 533MHz 512KB $74
Celeron 352 3.2GHz / 533MHz 512KB $69
Celeron 355 3.33GHz / 533MHz 256KB $69
Celeron 351 3.2GHz / 533MHz 256KB $59
Celeron 346 3.06GHz / 533MHz 256KB $54
Celeron 341 2.93GHz / 533MHz 256KB $54



Yeah, I think prices are about to collapse. Not that it's a bad thing.

Even you say the Pentium 4 524 is only going to be 69US same as the Celeron D 352 which only means a 133MHZ advantage in favor of Celeron D.

 

[Stugots]

Damn, those prices make a 9xx system tempting, but it would be stupid with Conroe so close.

 

[coldpower27]

Damn, those prices make a 9xx system tempting, but it would be stupid with Conroe so close.

Well a Pentium D system would make sense in the event you can't afford the 183US for the E6300.

 

[Stugots]

Well a Pentium D system would make sense in the event you can't afford the 183US for the E6300.

I was looking at a PD 950.

 

[coldpower27]

I was looking at a PD 950.

Well that processor goes against the E6400 both of which are at 224US. From what I have seen the E6400 is about on par with around the FX 60. Somtimes slower sometimes quicker. A Pentium D 950 is not close to that unfortunately.

 

[chrisf6969]

Damn, those prices make a 9xx system tempting, but it would be stupid with Conroe so close.

not really, a 900 system (with Conroe compatible mobo) to hold you over until they become easily found. (MIGHT be hard at first with OEM's soaking up a lot)

The current B steppings are hitting like 3.5 - 3.8Ghz on air (according to anandtech). Imagine the C steppings might hit 4Ghz! SO maybe using a 900 series to hold you over isn't a bad idea. At least for a little while.

My 920 is plenty fast enough at 4Ghz to hold me over a little while! It smokes pretty much all other stock processors.