Celebrities Want NSA Spying To Stop

amddragonpc said:
I'll just say that the Internet wasn't an accident, a design by the government and a handful of universities from the 1950's, conveniently unleashed on the public in the 1990's. Looking at everything that is in place now, survelliance of the American people has been a long time coming.

Next up is unmanned drones.
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Too late, they're already doing carrier traps...
 
One thing to remember is that the country is basically split on NSA data collection. We're just in an echodrome of tech-savvy news and communication.

So yeah we might all be saying "I want this to stop" but there are an equal number of people saying "I think this is an OK idea."

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The biggest issue is actually for business - US data and service hosting - until something happens with this. EU countries are starting to recommend not hosting data on US servers.
 
InternationalHat said:
One thing to remember is that the country is basically split on NSA data collection. We're just in an echodrome of tech-savvy news and communication.

So yeah we might all be saying "I want this to stop" but there are an equal number of people saying "I think this is an OK idea."
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And that half will be happy to stay with the US as is, when the other half starts exploring the options of secession and localization of government control.
 
Stiletto said:
And that half will be happy to stay with the US as is, when the other half starts exploring the options of secession and localization of government control.
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Secession? No, I don't entertain such foolish notions. So long as people have food, education, and healthcare along with a roof they won't push very hard for change. Our massive middle class is its own worst enemy as it has led to such political apathy the likes of which has never been seen. No, so long as people are comfortable in their own little lives they don't care about their neighbors, or even themselves, being spied upon. In fact, I daresay they wouldn't care if they saw their neighbors being taken away in broad daylight so long as they could go home that day and eat and watch the latest episode of their favorite sitcom.

There's a reason why successful authoritarian, totalitarianistic dictatorships always start by providing food, welfare, and education along with token jobs.
 
Only Richard Nixon , as presidents go , was mentioned by name in that video.

Odd that. :)
 
Um yea no, nothing is going to change. At all. This is going to keep happening for quite sometime because it's slow moving. The only way anything gets done in this country is when some huge event happens that makes us focus on only that one thing until we get back into watching American Idol or the Biggest Loser.

It makes not an ass hair of difference how many "fringe" people speak out. You could have a Presidential Candidate who straight up warned of this for decades get laughed off stage/floor then being proved right on just about everything and no one cares even after the fact.

The current Tea Party is just an extreme reaction to extreme politics, both sides are going to continue get more and more diligent until something eventually gives. I can't remember any point in my life where we have been more divided. I can't walk up to a Progessive or Conservative without them having a look of absolute disgust on their face to either me or each other and yet they can't debate their way out of a paper bag.

It's a shame.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” - Samuel Adams
 
Truth there.


Still, I also enjoyed Oliver Stone in that video. ;)

Rather like Oliver's film JFK .. being among the biggest pile of bullshit ever filmed.

Though it was entirely entertaining. :)
 
It's important to know who you are talking to when having a discussion. It helps you figure out where they are coming form.

I suppose my first question to ask is "Are you a slave or not".
The answer I am looking for has to do with you being a "financial slave".

If you live in debt.
If you can't pick up and just leave.
If you think "managing debt" is a valuable skill.
Then the answer is "Yes, I am a slave.

Now I'll ask you a new question.

Do the slave owners ever care how the slaves feel?
 
blitzkommando said:
There's a reason why successful authoritarian, totalitarianistic dictatorships always start by providing food, welfare, and education along with token jobs.
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There is no evidence for this that shows causality.

Many states during the 20th century provided food, welfare, education, and employment opportunities for various reasons (to end economic depressions, raise productivity in poor agrarian countries, etc) to various results from success to collapse to transition to a different regime.

You clearly have an agenda and are form-fitting correlated behavior that you don't like to make a point.

It's the equivalent of saying short Charlie Chaplin mustaches cause dictatorships.
 
next-Jin said:
I can't remember any point in my life where we have been more divided.
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How old are you?

I can't walk up to a Progessive or Conservative without them having a look of absolute disgust on their face to either me or each other and yet they can't debate their way out of a paper bag.
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So nobody of either political ideology can debate their way out of a paper bag? You must think a lot of yourself.
 
Why do i care again?
Listen to my phone calls, read my texts, open my email, watch me watch porn on PC or play bf4 whats the big deal i'm a boring guys with nothing to hide and nothing out of the ordinary.

I just hate that they are wasting so much money doing stupid stuff like this when we could use it instead to make America a bettter place to live.
 
Celebrities in Holly Rock made a PA over NSA Spying . They are outraged , outraged .:eek:

Yet strangely they failed to mention the current president.

They must be so conflicted. ;)
 
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I can't remember any point in my life where we have been more divided.
How old are you?
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I was thinking the sixtys myself.
 
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Do the slave owners ever care how the slaves feel?
Are the slaves armed?

I am pretty sure in this case they are. But there is a difference between being a slave, and knowing you are a slave.
 
lcpiper said:
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Do the slave owners ever care how the slaves feel?
Are the slaves armed?

I am pretty sure in this case they are. But there is a difference between being a slave, and knowing you are a slave.
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There is a difference between being a powerless slave and a slave not yet ready to use their power.
 
I just hate that they are wasting so much money doing stupid stuff like this when we could use it instead to make America a bettter place to live.
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They aren't wasting money doing this, they are saving money because it's so much easier, faster, and cheaper to soak it all up and look through it to find what you want then it is to try and selectively grab only what you want.

And don't get confused, the NSA may be grabbing everything and sorting through it for what they want, but what they want has nothing to do with any US Persons unless;
A. That person is somehow involved with the bad guys.
or B. Some NSA operator is doing something illegal for his own purposes.

I do have to admit that it is not impossible that the NSA could, as an organization, misuse this information if it all really does break down. But if we are there right now, then it's all too far gone to stop. The NSA has a structure, and organization, a mission, and a routine and since actual targeting of US Persons is not a normal function, and only happens when you have a US Person involved with foreign agents and terrorists and such, then changing this day to day operation would impact the whole organization and you have to start wondering at what point, over 30,000 employees who are really patriotic believers mostly, are not going to react very negatively against such a change. I know I would.

If one day I were watching Chinese and the next I was watching a bunch of students in Portland and all I see out of these students is that they are concerned over domestic issues with no links to a outside agency, I sure as shit would be asking my boss some serious questions because besides being wrong, I am risking my own ass doing it. You just can't turn a 30,000 man operation on it's ear to do things that are illegal and not have it turn into something crazy. Anyway, that's my take on it from my experience.
 
lcpiper said:
They aren't wasting money doing this, they are saving money because it's so much easier, faster, and cheaper to soak it all up and look through it to find what you want then it is to try and selectively grab only what you want.

And don't get confused, the NSA may be grabbing everything and sorting through it for what they want, but what they want has nothing to do with any US Persons unless;
A. That person is somehow involved with the bad guys.
or B. Some NSA operator is doing something illegal for his own purposes.

I do have to admit that it is not impossible that the NSA could, as an organization, misuse this information if it all really does break down. But if we are there right now, then it's all too far gone to stop. The NSA has a structure, and organization, a mission, and a routine and since actual targeting of US Persons is not a normal function, and only happens when you have a US Person involved with foreign agents and terrorists and such, then changing this day to day operation would impact the whole organization and you have to start wondering at what point, over 30,000 employees who are really patriotic believers mostly, are not going to react very negatively against such a change. I know I would.

If one day I were watching Chinese and the next I was watching a bunch of students in Portland and all I see out of these students is that they are concerned over domestic issues with no links to a outside agency, I sure as shit would be asking my boss some serious questions because besides being wrong, I am risking my own ass doing it. You just can't turn a 30,000 man operation on it's ear to do things that are illegal and not have it turn into something crazy. Anyway, that's my take on it from my experience.
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We have a few thousand examples of the system being used for personal reasons. That's the stuff disclosed that was almost comical. In fact about 1/3 of the comedy "True Lies" was tied to Arnold spying his wife. With over 2000 incidents of NSA agents acting like love struck teenagers, there has to be examples where darker things happened, that they haven't disclosed.

The whole diclosure was deliberate and heavily managed to help shape the story before the really bad abuses got leaked.
 
lcpiper said:
I do have to admit that it is not impossible that the NSA could, as an organization, misuse this information if it all really does break down. But if we are there right now, then it's all too far gone to stop.
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It never has gone too far to stop, and your suggestion is ludicrous.
 
lcpiper said:
They aren't wasting money doing this, they are saving money because it's so much easier, faster, and cheaper to soak it all up and look through it to find what you want then it is to try and selectively grab only what you want.

And don't get confused, the NSA may be grabbing everything and sorting through it for what they want, but what they want has nothing to do with any US Persons unless;
A. That person is somehow involved with the bad guys.
or B. Some NSA operator is doing something illegal for his own purposes.

I do have to admit that it is not impossible that the NSA could, as an organization, misuse this information if it all really does break down. But if we are there right now, then it's all too far gone to stop. The NSA has a structure, and organization, a mission, and a routine and since actual targeting of US Persons is not a normal function, and only happens when you have a US Person involved with foreign agents and terrorists and such, then changing this day to day operation would impact the whole organization and you have to start wondering at what point, over 30,000 employees who are really patriotic believers mostly, are not going to react very negatively against such a change. I know I would.

If one day I were watching Chinese and the next I was watching a bunch of students in Portland and all I see out of these students is that they are concerned over domestic issues with no links to a outside agency, I sure as shit would be asking my boss some serious questions because besides being wrong, I am risking my own ass doing it. You just can't turn a 30,000 man operation on it's ear to do things that are illegal and not have it turn into something crazy. Anyway, that's my take on it from my experience.
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Something crazy like the Snowden nonsense?

So if you worked for the NSA and had a task assigned to you which involved you spying on people not in league with the 'bad guys'... you went to talk to your boss and ask 'wtf?', but he told you to just do your job... would you be the next whistle blower?
 
lets see humm aren't some users of [H] forums foreign, hell thebuzzer alone can get us all put on watchlists. I know they take it all in , categorize, and store it the question is to what ends and how long do they plan to keep it.
 
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